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Ostarine Questions

I would absolutely get a SERM. Everyone has their preference, but I think Toremefine would be my choice. Any will do though.
 
Run it at 30. And have a SERM. There's really no point in doing 20 unless you're cutting. For recomp/bulk go 30. I've done 20 and 25 previously, and 30 is where is this compound shines. For reference, I weighed in this morning at 166. If you weight 200, go 35, but 30 is where most of us should be running it reap it's muscle building effects.

And clomid is a pct ancillary, it won't boost your test to any supraphysiological endpoint, thus its effects on healthy individuals re: body comp/strength/muscle mass are mute unless in the context of PCT where keeping body comp/strength/muscle mass is paramount while the body is re-harmonizing.

It's been tried before and you'll get a "boost" from clomid if you're naturally low, but other than that don't expect anything at all.
 
The Engineer said:
Run it at 30. And have a SERM. There's really no point in doing 20 unless you're cutting. For recomp/bulk go 30. I've done 20 and 25 previously, and 30 is where is this compound shines. For reference, I weighed in this morning at 166. If you weight 200, go 35, but 30 is where most of us should be running it reap it's muscle building effects.

And clomid is a pct ancillary, it won't boost your test to any supraphysiological endpoint, thus its effects on healthy individuals re: body comp/strength/muscle mass are mute unless in the context of PCT where keeping body comp/strength/muscle mass is paramount while the body is re-harmonizing.

It's been tried before and you'll get a "boost" from clomid if you're naturally low, but other than that don't expect anything at all.
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Clomid's been shown to boost test better than test gel application ;) It also doubles as a decent bridge if getting T injections/TRT/HRT is not an option. I mean, at least it will boost your test levels way more than any OTC test booster available on the market. Obviously no comparison to getting t injections though.
 
Thinking about using this alongside Ep1c.

PCT will be Alphamax, X-Gels, and possibly DAA.
Is that fine? Anything I should use with it during?

Thinking of running it around 25 mg a day.
 
GummyLift said:
Thinking about using this alongside Ep1c.

PCT will be Alphamax, X-Gels, and possibly DAA.
Is that fine? Anything I should use with it during?

Thinking of running it around 25 mg a day.
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Epicatechin is great with ostarine. Especially on volume days ;)
 
Ok, after reading this entire thread and being involved In The discussion a few pages back, I think I'm ready to experiment with ostarine. I want it strictly to gain a few pounds of lean mass. I know engineer is running 30. But I was thinking of being conservative and running 20 for 8 weeks. I will takes kisses advice and have clomid afterward. The thing that slightly concerns me is any possibility of gyno during. What should I have on hand for that if it happens. And what is the likelihood?
 
Fit1962 said:
Ok, after reading this entire thread and being involved In The discussion a few pages back, I think I'm ready to experiment with ostarine. I want it strictly to gain a few pounds of lean mass. I know engineer is running 30. But I was thinking of being conservative and running 20 for 8 weeks. I will takes kisses advice and have clomid afterward. The thing that slightly concerns me is any possibility of gyno during. What should I have on hand for that if it happens. And what is the likelihood?
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Letro, short cycle (until problem goes away), taper down before dropping it to prevent rebound.

Occurrence is largely genetic predisposition.
 
Fit1962 said:
Ok, after reading this entire thread and being involved In The discussion a few pages back, I think I'm ready to experiment with ostarine. I want it strictly to gain a few pounds of lean mass. I know engineer is running 30. But I was thinking of being conservative and running 20 for 8 weeks. I will takes kisses advice and have clomid afterward. The thing that slightly concerns me is any possibility of gyno during. What should I have on hand for that if it happens. And what is the likelihood?
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For a bulk you should run it higher then 20. And if you're using a serm anyways why not get max benefit. See eng's post above about 20v30.

The chance of gyno is VERY slim. Osta doesn't aromatize but it does effect receptors a bit so if you have naturally high e it could potentially cause some mild estro sides. If you're concerned, get an ai. You can most likely use OTC like formestane or arimistane but if you're cautious go for Adex or even aromasin. I would keep doses as low as possible though since you won't want to crush estro as it's necessary for muscle building as well as joint health.
 
kissdadookie said:
Letro, short cycle, taper down before dropping it.
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Fit1962 said:
Ok, after reading this entire thread and being involved In The discussion a few pages back, I think I'm ready to experiment with ostarine. I want it strictly to gain a few pounds of lean mass. I know engineer is running 30. But I was thinking of being conservative and running 20 for 8 weeks. I will takes kisses advice and have clomid afterward. The thing that slightly concerns me is any possibility of gyno during. What should I have on hand for that if it happens. And what is the likelihood?
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X2 letro, then in pct ralox if you want. You might also want Aromasin or Forma as an AI. But IMO, you want the full estrogenic benefits of ostarine. Remember: estrogen is also important for muscle gain.

Also, I'm not susceptible to gyno, but I checked myself last night and non to report.

Just make sure to sleep, or else the DOMS will catch up with you and they will put you in a,bad mood. At least that's what's happened to me a few times on this cycle. Especially, after deadlifts... Sh1111t
 
Alright, so I think I'll go ahead and get a serm and bump it up to 30mg next week. As for the serm, Clomid or Torem?

And speaking of DOMS.. I don't think my hip flexors have ever been so sore before. They are sore from LAST Tuesdays leg day. I could barely squat today. No amount of stretching or foam rolling has helped. Starting to think I strained them..
 
The Engineer said:
X2 letro, then in pct ralox if you want. You might also want Aromasin or Forma as an AI. But IMO, you want the full estrogenic benefits of ostarine. Remember: estrogen is also important for muscle gain.

Also, I'm not susceptible to gyno, but I checked myself last night and non to report.

Just make sure to sleep, or else the DOMS will catch up with you and they will put you in a,bad mood. At least that's what's happened to me a few times on this cycle. Especially, after deadlifts... Sh1111t
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I wish I could deadlift at full capacity. My glute injury I effed up more and now it's developed into an impingement on my sciatic nerve. Fml.
 
cjdesmit said:
Alright, so I think I'll go ahead and get a serm and bump it up to 30mg next week. As for the serm, Clomid or Torem?

And speaking of DOMS.. I don't think my hip flexors have ever been so sore before. They are sore from LAST Tuesdays leg day. I could barely squat today. No amount of stretching or foam rolling has helped. Starting to think I strained them..
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Clomid. Your balls are probably still relatively functional, so clomid would be your best bet to get hpta back in line quickly. 50 mg ED would be my suggestion. 3 weeks minimum, longer if you have to.
 
Thought id add my dosing for this.

I do 15mg at 5am in morning and 10mg at 5pm.

I do this because I can feel it 'wearing off' in the early hours of the morning and this interferes with my sleep.

That's my Broscience.
 
I wouldn't use letro unless you have pre existing gyno. Letro is really harsh so I would stick to aromasin or Adex and save the letro for if you start to feel a lump or something that's clearly gyno. Just using letro as a preventative is a bit overkill IMO.
 
jarod86 said:
Thought id add my dosing for this.

I do 15mg at 5am in morning and 10mg at 5pm.

I do this because I can feel it 'wearing off' in the early hours of the morning and this interferes with my sleep.

That's my Broscience.
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I'm sorry, but it doesn't wear off in bits. It has a 23.8hr half life. I'd have to find the peak, but I'm pretty sure because of its bioavailability that the peak lasts a while.

You're doing yourself a disservice by dosing this way. Get it all into your system in one go.

I've done your dosing and I'm currently doing a bolus dose. The bolus dose allows it to build more efficiently.
 
Appreciate this man. Could it be a case by case thing...when dosing all at once in the am , early the next morning say 2-3am I felt all 'estrogen-y' if that makes sense. Pumps and composition are still great... Now I'm tempted to get back on an all in one dose. First world bodybuilding problems.
 
I'm currently on day 8 of a 25mg osta cycle and started to experience some estrogenic sides. I started up aromasin today at 12.5mgs just to be safe.
 
TN Lift said:
I'm currently on day 8 of a 25mg osta cycle and started to experience some estrogenic sides. I started up aromasin today at 12.5mgs just to be safe.
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What do you mean by estrogen? Mood swings? Weird fat accumulation around the abdomen?
 
The Engineer said:
Run it at 30. And have a SERM. There's really no point in doing 20 unless you're cutting. For recomp/bulk go 30. I've done 20 and 25 previously, and 30 is where is this compound shines. For reference, I weighed in this morning at 166. If you weight 200, go 35, but 30 is where most of us should be running it reap it's muscle building effects. And clomid is a pct ancillary, it won't boost your test to any supraphysiological endpoint, thus its effects on healthy individuals re: body comp/strength/muscle mass are mute unless in the context of PCT where keeping body comp/strength/muscle mass is paramount while the body is re-harmonizing. It's been tried before and you'll get a "boost" from clomid if you're naturally low, but other than that don't expect anything at all.
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From memory this is your second cycle of OST.

Are you keeping gains after pct?
 
Do you really need 30 or 35? My friend ran 15 and got bigger. I did 10 on pct and it was good. I was thinking 25 next time solo to avoid too much sidea/suppression with real pct obv. I'm 207

"The gains that are made on ostarine are very keepable and users generally see an increase of up to 7 lbs. of lean body mass over and 8 week cycle at 25mg day (diet dependent). The most common dosage is 25 mg for 8 weeks. The side effects that one encounters with steroid use will not be present on cycle."
 
From logs ive seen, and there are tons on ostarine, there is no benefit from going over 20-25mg.

Personally I wanna see how 25mg treats me. I ran 10 during PCT and got stronger and lost none of my gains.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
From logs ive seen, and there are tons on ostarine, there is no benefit from going over 20-25mg.

Personally I wanna see how 25mg treats me. I ran 10 during PCT and got stronger and lost none of my gains.
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I concur about there really being no need to go above 25. People ran it at over 25 mg ED when the stuff was still very very new but since then, the consensus has been that 20-25 mg is the most bang for buck dosage.

Also would like to add, it’s likely that at even higher dosages you will get even more pronounced effects but now we are looking at possible additional sides or increase to already present sides along with our good ole friend, suppression. So at that point, the risk reward seems a bit silly and one might just as well jump on a more potent anabolic instead.
 
Kiss I'm going to ask this again, please bare with my repetition, just trying to get this in my head. The absolute one thing that is keeping me for jumping on the train is gyno. For some reason I'm very scared of that. I know you've answered but please do so again. What could or should I run with the ostarine so that potential gyno would not even be a concern?
 
1) eliminate (or some other product with arimistane)
2) formestane (transdermal)
3) aromasin aka exemestane

These are three options. I put the most conservative to the most effective in order.

Im gonna try mine with Eliminate first. I ran it with aromasin during PCT and I had no issues.

The reason I am going to start with eliminate is because I dont think estrogen is much of an issue on a ostarine cycle. However the body may believe there to be more test then there really is (this would be the reason for the minor suppression) and therefore up it's conversion a bit. And arimistane is a good safe suicidal inhibitor that can be run to insure estrogen stays in reasonable levels.
 
Run formestane on osta and follow up with a serm on pct. Taper off the formeron when you're done. If you still get gyno then I don't know. I got gyno after ostarine but I'm pretty sure it was rebound from an epistane cycle I ran this summer and my Nolva was underdosed from the RC company.
 
Fit1962 said:
Kiss I'm going to ask this again, please bare with my repetition, just trying to get this in my head. The absolute one thing that is keeping me for jumping on the train is gyno. For some reason I'm very scared of that. I know you've answered but please do so again. What could or should I run with the ostarine so that potential gyno would not even be a concern?
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HIGHLY dependent on your genetic predisposition along with what kind of effects the compound your using has. The list goes as follows:

1) If the compound aromatizes then it could lead to increased estrogen (ostarine does not however, so this would not be a concern).
2) If the compound does not aromatize but is seen in the body as an androgen, this could lead to an increase in the aromatase enzyme which will aromatize whatever actual testosterone you have in your body into estrogen at a higher rate resulting in increased estrogen levels (more of the enzyme doing its work would mean more estrogen being produced, this is something that most likely will occur with ostarine).
3) A rebound effect from a compound that does not aromatize could happen when you come off of it (ostarine isn’t going to do this).
4) It’s very possible gyno could not be caused by estrogen but instead by something like increased prolactin.

Controlling prolactin, you can use something like Inhibit-P and add some extra P5P to it while running a cycle. For estrogen issues, have some letro on hand to nip the issue in the bud right quick. Don't depend on OTC stuff to treat early estrogen caused gyno sympotoms.
 
kissdadookie said:
HIGHLY dependent on your genetic predisposition along with what kind of effects the compound your using has. The list goes as follows:

1) If the compound aromatizes then it could lead to increased estrogen (ostarine does not however, so this would not be a concern).
2) If the compound does not aromatize but is seen in the body as an androgen, this could lead to an increase in the aromatase enzyme which will aromatize whatever actual testosterone you have in your body into estrogen at a higher rate resulting in increased estrogen levels (more of the enzyme doing its work would mean more estrogen being produced, this is something that most likely will occur with ostarine).
3) A rebound effect from a compound that does not aromatize could happen when you come off of it (ostarine isn’t going to do this).
4) It’s very possible gyno could not be caused by estrogen but instead by something like increased prolactin.

Controlling prolactin, you can use something like Inhibit-P and add some extra P5P to it while running a cycle. For estrogen issues, have some letro on hand to nip the issue in the bud right quick. Don't depend on OTC stuff to treat early estrogen caused gyno sympotoms.
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So purchase ostarine, letro for possible use during, and clomid for use after?
 
Fit1962 said:
So purchase ostarine, letro for possible use during, and clomid for use after?
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Yup. :D

You'll probably have plenty of clomid left over, probably won't even need the letro, so in other words, the purchase is not a waste because you will have supplies for a future cycle of something you may wish to run :)
 
Letro seems like massive overkill.



Take some I3C... Lol
 
As long as you don't overdo the ai your joints should be fine. its only when estro is waaayyyy too low that joint issues arise.
 
Fit1962 said:
But if I begin to get sensitive or itchy nips I can use a small amount of letro right?
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I would use the following dosing scheme if you run into estro problems:

Day 1 - .25 mg
Day 2 - .50 mg
Day 3 - 1 mg
Day 4 - 1.5 mg
Day 5 - 2 mg
Day 6 through to however many days it takes for the issue to reside - 2.5 mg

Then after the issue resides, you work backwards to taper down as follows:

Day 1 - 2 mg
Day 2 - 1.5 mg
Day 3 - 1 mg
Day 4 -.5 mg
Day 5 - .25 mg

You can also continue to take the .25 mg as a maintenance/preventive dose either every day or every other day or every 3rd day. I would go with the lowest you can do with if you are going to continue taking it on cycle as a preventive dose. When you jump on PCT, drop the letro and just do the SERM. Clomid 50 mg every day for 4 weeks and then possibly drop it down to 25 mg every other day if you haven't sufficiently recovered yet after 4 weeks of 50 mg daily.

The tapering down is important. Letro works fast and super potent, but it's not a suicidal inhibitor, thus dropping it cold turkey is a good ticket to estro rebound.
 
kissdadookie said:
I would use the following dosing scheme if you run into estro problems:

Day 1 - .25 mg
Day 2 - .50 mg
Day 3 - 1 mg
Day 4 - 1.5 mg
Day 5 - 2 mg
Day 6 through to however many days it takes for the issue to reside - 2.5 mg

Then after the issue resides, you work backwards to taper down as follows:

Day 1 - 2 mg
Day 2 - 1.5 mg
Day 3 - 1 mg
Day 4 -.5 mg
Day 5 - .25 mg

You can also continue to take the .25 mg as a maintenance/preventive dose either every day or every other day or every 3rd day. I would go with the lowest you can do with if you are going to continue taking it on cycle as a preventive dose. When you jump on PCT, drop the letro and just do the SERM. Clomid 50 mg every day for 4 weeks and then possibly drop it down to 25 mg every other day if you haven't sufficiently recovered yet after 4 weeks of 50 mg daily.

The tapering down is important. Letro works fast and super potent, but it's not a suicidal inhibitor, thus dropping it cold turkey is a good ticket to estro rebound.
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Perfect thanks!
 
kissdadookie said:
Not when moobies are forming. LoL.




Possibly, yes. Thus the AI is there as backup in case you wind up with adverse estrogen issues. You don't use it just to use it ;)
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Yeah, but he didn't say he had an existing issue. Just cycle planning. I'm all for having stuff on hand, but there's zero need for Letro on a Osta solo cycle. Like The Engineer pointed out, you do not want to crush estrogen. What is he gonna do with Letro if he doesn't need it? Maybe he'll never do a real cycle that would need an AI. Yet, maybe he will...





Just get an OTC AI, if concerned. Something you can use in the future if you don't need it on cycle. Formestane, Erase, Triazole, etc... Granted, an OTC product will be much slower to kick in.
 
blacklac said:
Yeah, but he didn't say he had an existing issue. Just cycle planning. I'm all for having stuff on hand, but there's zero need for Letro on a Osta solo cycle. Like The Engineer pointed out, you do not want to crush estrogen. What is he gonna do with Letro if he doesn't need it? Maybe he'll never do a real cycle that would need an AI. Yet, maybe he will...





Just get an OTC AI, if concerned. Something you can use in the future if you don't need it on cycle. Formestane, Erase, Triazole, etc... Granted, an OTC product will be much slower to kick in.
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I've never used any substances before. I'm very lean, and have no gyno issues at all. My concern about ostarine is if I'm one if the nth% that has a flare up. I love how I look right now, I would just like to add a few pounds if lean mass and maybe lose 3-5lbs of fat. But I would be crushed if I got gyno from trying this. So I just want something that can stop any itchy nips or whatever form any gyno might show up in. If it's not letro, then advise me otherwise.
 
blacklac said:
Yeah, but he didn't say he had an existing issue. Just cycle planning. I'm all for having stuff on hand, but there's zero need for Letro on a Osta solo cycle. Like The Engineer pointed out, you do not want to crush estrogen. What is he gonna do with Letro if he doesn't need it? Maybe he'll never do a real cycle that would need an AI. Yet, maybe he will...





Just get an OTC AI, if concerned. Something you can use in the future if you don't need it on cycle. Formestane, Erase, Triazole, etc... Granted, an OTC product will be much slower to kick in.
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Always have the letro on hand even for ostarine. Just in case you are a weirdo that ends up getting estro gyno from it ;)

Plus letro is cheap. Good to have one hand.
 
kissdadookie said:
Always have the letro on hand even for ostarine. Just in case you are a weirdo that ends up getting estro gyno from it ;) Plus letro is cheap. Good to have one hand.
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This. Best case, you never use it and you spent a few bucks for peace of mind. Worst case, you flare up and you have the best product to combat this on hand immediately.
 
Next question for you guys. I've been eating about 2100 calories a day which has worked great. I maintain strength at gym, no fat gain, and seem to be adding some lbm albeit small. When I begin ostarine, how many calories do I want to add?
 
Fit1962 said:
Next question for you guys. I've been eating about 2100 calories a day which has worked great. I maintain strength at gym, no fat gain, and seem to be adding some lbm albeit small. When I begin ostarine, how many calories do I want to add?
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For muscle gain or fat loss?
 
Fit,

Increase or decrease cals a few hundred daily per week and go by the mirror as to needing to dial it back or dial it up ;)

Figuring out calories is an everlasting effort of experimentation.
 
Fit1962 said:
Def for gain. I'm 10-12% bf now. So though I wouldn't mind going into 8-10% range. The reason for ostarine is lbm.
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Anecdotally speaking, I gain better when I'm in your range. At 8, I get fat before I gain muscle. It's weird.

Take a look at my log and if you want, follow what I'm doing. I'm on 800 grams of carbs a day + 1.5g/lb of bw in protein and less than 46g of fat. Sometimes I don't even hit my fat allotment.
 
Well I entered the train station this morning and order two bottles of Ostar1ine from OL.
SINCE this is my first ever use of anything like this, I'm thinking maybe of starting conservative at 20mgED, and see how it goes. If all is well I can always run it again in a few months at higher dose? Plus I'm only 143lbs so at my weight 20 is a higher dose anyway than someone who's much heavier?
 
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