kissdadookie
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Likely dose and length of run dependent for ostarine. The real problematic dose probably has not been established yet.
Ostarine Questions
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Likely dose and length of run dependent for ostarine. The real problematic dose probably has not been established yet.
Grayson
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35 seems to be the upper limit for noticable gains.
I saw logs dated 3 years back and people were dosing Ostarine at 50mg (like S4) and were seeing zilch.
Tagger
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So 35 is the point of diminishing gainz?
Grayson
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From what I've read 35+. I'm running 30 and noticing a difference between 20 and 30. There's a slight difference between 25 and 30 in regards to hunger and aggression. I think 35 might be too intense lol
uubiduu
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Its highly individual like with other peds.I See no BP increase @10mg.when i dose 20mg there is some BP increase but its not so extreme like with hdrol e.g.
prebzmaister
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I ran osta 20mg with only OG Erase and DAA as PCT. libido was low ofc under PCT, but everything went back to normal after some weeks.
Didn't gain anything from it, maybe 5-10kg in the squat.
Didn't gain anything from it, maybe 5-10kg in the squat.
Swolljaboi
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I completely agree. This is where the compound really shines.
kissdadookie
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I think generally, anything that your body treats as an androgen pretty much has that effect
Lulz.
Tagger
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Yup. I'm doing that right now actually.
Osta to hold the muscle and way less calories to cut down.
Working like a charm.
blacklac
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I think generally, anything that your body treats as an androgen pretty much has that effect
Oh, I agree.
. I'd just personally look elsewhere if I were bulking or maybe even recomping. 1-DHEA probably if we are keeping it mild.
wicked442
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I just finished an Osta run. 42 days at 15mg. I gained 7 lbs and lost bf,and def look fuller. This is with no gym time at all. I kept my cals at maintainance +-200,and not real clean. I havnt been given the ok to start lifting again,but i wanted to keep the muscle wasting to a min. I am very impressed with Osta. The only bad side was gyno symptoms, which is crazy because i didnt have any on 600 mg of test per week. I will def use this again!
ELROCK
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Yes
Swolljaboi
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How long should one wait between ostarine cycles? Is it the same cycle+pct time like with prohormones?
Grayson
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User dependant.
Personally, I treat it like a steroid, so time on + pct = time off (but that's because I'd rather run it higher). For short, medium-dosed cycles, time on = time off, so you can go directly from your pct to another cycle.
kissdadookie
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I feel like you can probably run it for up to 12 weeks and still be ok with an 4 weeks PCT + 4 weeks off time and be in a good position since your health markers are most likely back to pretty much normal at that point from the ostarine (since it most likely did very minimal damage to typical health markers such as your lipids, etc.).
Ostarine is pretty suitable as a bridge into a cycle of something more aggressive as well.
Grayson
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kissdadookie
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Or to better describe it, PCT long enough to recover + 4 weeks
I feel like it's the negative effects on health markers that takes longer to recover from when using most anabolics. Ostarine doesn't seem to cause much of those types of sides, so your main concern with ostarine is more or less making sure that your hormones are back in check.
Grayson
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Or to better describe it, PCT long enough to recover + 4 weeks
I feel like it's the negative effects on health markers that takes longer to recover from when using most anabolics. Ostarine doesn't seem to cause much of those types of sides, so your main concern with ostarine is more or less making sure that your hormones are back in check.
Completely agree and well said! Which is why I advocate a SERM in pct. It'll get you back up and running in no time and then you can get back on ostarine.
TBH, though, I'm not an advocate of seesawing with your hormones. At most, I'd do 3 ostarine cycle per year MAX.
kissdadookie
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That goes with basically all cycles
So if you figure in the off time + PCT and figure in a solid ostarine cycle is going to be 8-12 weeks, you can realistically only run 3 cycles anyway (taking into consideration for off times from the gym, vacations, injury, life in general, etc.).
booneman77
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It wouldn't hurt to run some light cycle support but it's really not necessary. Osta has almost no effects on anything but hormones.
Swolljaboi
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Is there any way that Ostarine could cause gyno?
Nyrin
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Mk-2866 isn't aromatizable in itself, so it's not prone to huge estrogen increases. I believe the studies have shown a slight elevation of e2, though, so if you were already on the high end, it could push you over a tipping point or exacerbate a mild condition into a moderate one.
Even a very light AI would probably alleviate any estrogen increases, though.
Swolljaboi
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I came off an 8 week osta run and used rc Nolva and DAA for pct and began experiencing gyno symptoms that appear to be prolactin related. I dropped the DAA and started inhibit-p and the symptoms are already starting to subside. I was also on formestane through most of my osta run and I'm currently still using it. The only thing I can figure is that my prolactin was high from something and the DAA may have pushed it over the edge.
Nyrin
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That sounds pretty likely. DAA raises estrogen pretty remarkably for many, and running it without an AI is often bad news.
Ostarine is typically extraordinarily mild unless you're taking really nasty doses of it; I'm not sure I'd even bother with any sort of structured PCT unless I became symptomatic. Suppression even at 25-35mg/d is very slight for most.
It's too bad the clinical trials so far are on such small doses--we'd have better data otherwise
booneman77
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Agreed with above. DAA is awful for me. Anytime I've use it it get awful sides and feel like ass
breakoutyear
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Anyone here have any experience with S4? I've heard legit S4 hardens muscles and causes more of an aesthetic look if that makes sense...does ostarine have a similar effect or not?
Swolljaboi
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I've used DAA several times with no problem. I even ran it for 90 days straight one time. I think my body reacted differently this time for some reason. I can't find any other culprit.
blacklac
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kissdadookie
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It's treated as an androgen in the body. A side effect of non-aromatizing androgens is an increase in aromatase as your body tries to balance your T/E ratio. This causes a rise in estrogen so for some people, yes, ostarine can cause gyno if one is susceptible to it, due to the rise in estrogen.
Swolljaboi
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Yes I started it about halfway through my cycle and am running it through pct.
jarod86
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Dear Guys Would appreciate your thoughts; Was thinking of stopping Ostarine cycle after just 1 week of use on say 30mg a day. My reasons; my gains without 'assistance' were satisfactory and my conscience is putting a guilt trip on me for hopping on the Ost. No homo. ->What would your thoughts be with regard to an appropriate pct. Serm needed? I have tamox
kissdadookie
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I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh.
Grayson
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X2. Just train and eat. You're most like suppressed, but you'll bounce back in a few days to a week.
booneman77
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Natty contests are a joke. A significant portion of those guys run compounds all offseason.
cjdesmit
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Thought I would update on how I am feeling now that it has been another 2 weeks. For those that don't remember I was complaining about feeling extremely lethargic shortly after starting Osta. I've now been on Osta for a total of 4 weeks and I'm definitely feeling better than I was. I don't think the sense of "well being" many describe is there however I don't feel like a lazy pos anymore either. It really may have been due to the cooler weather and the fact it's getting darker earlier now that it's Fall. Training sessions are going well and the pumps from Osta are great.
Question: I am currently running it @ 20mg so I still have 4 more weeks left. Should I continue it at 20mg or up it to 25 or 30 and shorten the cycle?
Question: I am currently running it @ 20mg so I still have 4 more weeks left. Should I continue it at 20mg or up it to 25 or 30 and shorten the cycle?
booneman77
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whats your pct? if you're doing a full serm pct, might as well run it high and hard. if you were planning an otc only pct then you def should stay low to help keep from totally shutting yourself down.
kissdadookie
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Just stay at 20 mgs. Not much difference jumping to 25. 30 might yield a difference. I'd ask TheEngineer.
cjdesmit
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I did not plan on using a serm. I am currently running Cycle Support alongside the Osta and have AlphaMax and DAA for pct.
kissdadookie
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Smh. I don't get it. Perfectly fine taking experimental drugs (SARMS) but people consistently neglect the tried and true SERMs (side benefit of Clomid in particular, it doubles as a test booster that actually works!).
booneman77
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I wouldn't go that high without a serm. You could experience pretty severe sides from lack of natural test production post cycle.
kissdadookie
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Go buy a bottle before your cycle ends
Worse case scenario, you end up with notably elevated from baseline test levels due to the clomid. Best case scenario, you've improved recovery from suppression by a huge margin.