How old are you, Mr. Manlet?
21
How long did it take to get your levels back?
Getting tested tomorrow, so I’ll see in a week or so. Also, I’m 36, so it’s going take me a bit longer than a 21 yo.
The downsides are that DAA is garbage. It will do nothing for your test or hormonal recovery. In some studies it has actually decreased test. If looking to use Arimistane as an AI, then again you're digging the garbage can shoulder deep.
How did you know? Good radar.
I saw that you got the Rona during your cycle, it is possible the virus is causing complications within your testicles. I remember hearing that covid could attack reproductive organs and a quick search pulled up a lot of articles
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The trt business is about to blow up! Lol. But that's very interesting and actually makes me afraid of the disease a bit for the first time. Do you know if any of these findings have touched on the issue of the effects being permanent or can things get back to normal after getting healthy and rid of the disease? Usually when talking about using anabolics and the testes 'sleeping' while exogenous androgens are in the system, it's said that the leyding cells can 'die off' and so the effects are permanent.I saw that you got the Rona during your cycle, it is possible the virus is causing complications within your testicles. I remember hearing that covid could attack reproductive organs and a quick search pulled up a lot of articles
Abnormal findings in testicular tissue of COVID-19 patients, SARS-CoV-2 mostly undetected
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has caused over 9.263 million cases and taken more than 477,000 lives as of June 24, 2020 – just six months after the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China, was reported. The illness, called COVID-19 disease, caused by SARS-CoV-2 is a...
"The number of Leydig cells, which produce testosterone, was significantly lower in the severe COVID-19 cells compared to the controls. "
I’ve never heard that before. That would be a very terrible coincidence! It’s crazy how it attacks everything and everyone different. However if I go the TRT route I guess my reasoning could be ‘rona instead of Osta’.I saw that you got the Rona during your cycle, it is possible the virus is causing complications within your testicles. I remember hearing that covid could attack reproductive organs and a quick search pulled up a lot of articles
Abnormal findings in testicular tissue of COVID-19 patients, SARS-CoV-2 mostly undetected
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has caused over 9.263 million cases and taken more than 477,000 lives as of June 24, 2020 – just six months after the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China, was reported. The illness, called COVID-19 disease, caused by SARS-CoV-2 is a...
"The number of Leydig cells, which produce testosterone, was significantly lower in the severe COVID-19 cells compared to the controls. "
WHAT THE FUUUUQQQQ?!? Man you think this can't get any worse, yet it just keeps finding a wayI saw that you got the Rona during your cycle, it is possible the virus is causing complications within your testicles. I remember hearing that covid could attack reproductive organs and a quick search pulled up a lot of articles
Abnormal findings in testicular tissue of COVID-19 patients, SARS-CoV-2 mostly undetected
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has caused over 9.263 million cases and taken more than 477,000 lives as of June 24, 2020 – just six months after the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China, was reported. The illness, called COVID-19 disease, caused by SARS-CoV-2 is a...
"The number of Leydig cells, which produce testosterone, was significantly lower in the severe COVID-19 cells compared to the controls. "
Yep!!!WHAT THE FUUUUQQQQ?!? Man you think this can't get any worse, yet it just keeps finding a way
I was also wondering if getting sick is responsible for your test getting cut in half. I tried to do some research on how colds and flus affect testosterone levels but couldn't find anything.I’ve never heard that before. That would be a very terrible coincidence! It’s crazy how it attacks everything and everyone different. However if I go the TRT route I guess my reasoning could be ‘rona instead of Osta’.
At this point I don't think anyone knows if its permanent damage but some quick searches show that it is possible for new leydig cells to be formed from stem cells, how much and how long it take's is anyone's guess.
We are all guinea pigs with the virus right now, they don't know what kind of damage (permanent or temporary) it causes and it really seems to vary so much from person to person so a one size fits all view of it seems unsuitable at this time.I’ve never heard that before. That would be a very terrible coincidence! It’s crazy how it attacks everything and everyone different. However if I go the TRT route I guess my reasoning could be ‘rona instead of Osta’.
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Blood tests are back. I’m still down 114 ng/dL from where I started but up 58 from my post PCT test. So still recovering 5 months later. Free test is almost back to normal. I started at 83 pg/ml down to 47, now at 72.
When was the "where I started" value taken? The levels fluctuate also. How do you feel? Have you had some low T symptoms?
I was at 443 ng/dL. This was before my cycle. I hadn’t touched any PEDs in 9 years before that. No low T symptoms that I can tell.
As someone who is in the middle of the whole COVID at work, I am surprised I haven't seen this article before. Very interesting. I am going to do some more research on this topic for sure!I saw that you got the Rona during your cycle, it is possible the virus is causing complications within your testicles. I remember hearing that covid could attack reproductive organs and a quick search pulled up a lot of articles
Abnormal findings in testicular tissue of COVID-19 patients, SARS-CoV-2 mostly undetected
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has caused over 9.263 million cases and taken more than 477,000 lives as of June 24, 2020 – just six months after the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China, was reported. The illness, called COVID-19 disease, caused by SARS-CoV-2 is a...
"The number of Leydig cells, which produce testosterone, was significantly lower in the severe COVID-19 cells compared to the controls. "
If you find anything that looks at all conclusive, please let us know, brother.
Suppression from Ostarine really varies person to person. Typically, it tends to be the least suppressive of the three main SARMs (LGD, RAD-140, Ostarine).
How about LGD in low dose (2,5mg) some people has got pretty nice result with it?
Not with that kind of dosing they haven't.
If you’re running it solo, I wouldn’t run LGD under 15mg. If it’s your first cycle with it, start at 10 for a week or two and see how you feel, then bump it up if you want. Again, just my personal opinion but I think if you’re going to suppress yourself at 2.5mg and not get much out of it, you might as well suppress yourself a little more at 10-20mg and get what you want out of it. You’re going to be suppressed to a degree regardless, but the length of your cycle moreso than the dosage is going to determine how quickly you recover afterwards. If you keep the cycle 8 weeks or less, you’re not going to have much trouble recovering. I wouldn’t run SARMs less than 8 weeks. I still would recommend Nolvadex or Clomid though.
Osta for 2 years straight, sheesh. Did you check lipids or liver values at any point?
I appreciate the rest of your post, but I hate when people make sweeping statements like this. It's dangerous and incorrect to extrapolate your experiences to everyone else. Everyone recovers differently (as evidenced in this very thread!), and many may not recover as easily as you.
What natural sumps do you recommend to a 45 years-old ?
Thanks for your very honest feedback. I understand, I shared the opinion that unless you are in a professional field where body (strength or looks) is important, otherwise, for the normal guy, on the long run, what matters is discipline and workout. Nevertheless, I am 45 years old, never done Testo, steroids or sarms, but I’m feeling the lack energy I used to have. Done some research, and adventured myself in buying Enclomiphene to raise natural testo. Unfortunately I have severed headache and insomnia. Thinking of trying natural supplements such as: fadogia agrestis; ashagandha; maca, etc. I know, I have to get blood test to check my hormones and see a doctor. But, nevertheless, would like your heat your thoughts
Funnily enough I tried enclomiphene recently as I had read that it can reduce gyno by blocking estrogen receptors, nothing to do with test boost. I understood that by raising test and blocking e receptors I would be at risk of severe estrogen rebound so intended to gradually taper off. Turns out it just made the gyno worse. Only took for a week and had bad sensitive tingles by the end of that week. Did a short taper then came off. Kicking myself because I realise now that the gyno was much less prominent before.
How do PEDs cause blood in semen? Just curious about this.
I'll be honest as I discussed this with people on here at the time and no one has ever seen that before based on ped use. However I think it was linked to prostate swelling that was linked to ped use. I could be wrong though. I could have put two and two together and got 5. I can't remember what I was running but a few weeks in I started feeling like utter crap. No energy or libido. Could still "perform" so to speak. But blood was there when I did. Really freaked me out. Like without getting too graphic it was dark. Proper brown dark. I first thought it could be related to a hernia surgery I had had months before but I went to the doctor and they couldn't see how it could be related. I went cold turkey on the cycle had bloods which showed prostate levels elevated. But they booked a follow up test weeks later because I told them I had been taking stuff. Second test came back fine. Semen was back to normal at this point. So was happy. Months later decided to try another cycle, nothing too crazy I think it was rad 140, s4 and dermacrine. Two or three weeks in started feeling like before and sure enough blood again. Back to docs. Went cold turkey again. Had internal examination (all in good fun) and I was fine, bloods too, asked for test levels and they came back fine. Ran natural sups for a while, felt good. Went to start the s4 solo with a 4 andro and within a week nipple tingles had developed into gyno. Strangely I was getting tingles toward the end of a 4 week run of a "natural" test booster by inovapharm. It has arimistane in it but apart from that it was all tongkat and fadogia so who knows what went on there.
Interesting. I always hear about different people getting different side effects, so you never know. Given that it happened on cycle twice would certainly lead me to believe it was related as well. It would probably also be enough to keep me off of PEDs infinitely.
I am pretty much at that state of mind. It's crazy how my brain can be a right dick sometimes though. It only takes a few months of feeling fine to slip back into old habits. The gyno is keeping be off of stuff now too but I'll still have days where it's not so bad, I'll be laying in bed and my brain will sneak up on me and be like "pssst, maybe you should try mechabol, it doesn't aromatise and it's supposed to be one of the milder..." I have to interrupt my brain and be like "SHUT UP!!"
Hahaha I know exactly what you're saying. I don't use large amounts of AAS myself. The most I'll do is 2 cycles per year.
That would depend on your goals.
No I haven't actually. That's next on my list. I'm currently logging sns PAXT at the moment though so don't want the two to overlap. I need to try and get my hands on some though so it's ready to go. Gonna run SNS inhibit e though to keep my log natural so to speak. I don't expect it to cure anything but I'll log if it effects things like sensitivity or even reduce size. You never know
Worth a shot. But I would get my hands on some ralox and give it a shot whenever you're ready. Would be interested to know how it works for you.
