Ostarine, Arimistane, Cardarine, and MK677

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Hey guys I started taking Ostarine (10mg/day) on Monday. Im going to up that to 20mg after a week. I got an inbody scan done the same day, which I'll put below. I have trained and lifted regularly in the past, and I started again about 9 months ago.

START OF CYCLE, STATS:

Deadlift max: 385
Bench Max: 205
Supinated Curls: 55Lb x4 reps per bicep

Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 196LB
Bodyfat: 19.9% (39Lb)
Skeletal Muscle Mass: 90Lb

More Info: I have been taking MK677 20mg and Cardarine 20mg for the past 6 weeks, along with creatine. I'm also taking Arimistane at night and in the morning to try and smooth out the initial spike in estrogen that will come with the aromatization of the testosterone that is unbound due to ostarine occupying the androgen receptor. Its day 3 for me, and so far I have not noticed anything.

Im just doing this to get to my peak natural physique faster, and I'm going to cut during the ast few weeks of this. I'm hoping to gain around 6Lb of muscle mass, and then drop the MK677 to start cutting for a few weeks before I end the cycle.

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Osta is not very good at building muscle, and I know a few 120lb girls that use osta and lgd at 10mg a day. So I think your wasting your time. Even at 25mg a day most guys find osta very underwhelming to say the least.

You also cannot get to your peak natural physique if you're using things that are unnatural, that doesn't make any sense at all.

Sorry if I sound like a douche but I'd rather be real with you than sit here telling you lies to make you happy. If your set on a sarm and want to build muscle then 20mg of lgd is a far better choice. Also you are very mistaken how these things work, osta is going to lower your testosterone and your estrogen. And arimistane is terrible at lowering estrogen anyway.

Sarms have zero estrogen conversion and you need estrogen to build muscle, maintain sexual function and just to feel good in general. Obviously using real testosterone is out of the question for you so I would suggest picking up some 4andro to run alongside your sarm.

If you wanna add 6lbs of real muscle on a sarm you better be prepared to stay on for at least 8-12 weeks and do everything perfect.
 
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Also trying to bulk and cut on the same cycle is foolish it does not work. The average person on steroids can add about 12lbs of muscle tissue per year, that's on full blown steroid cycles. Your expectations are very unrealistic.

Again I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm trying to tell you the truth and not sell you pipe dreams
 

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I'm increasing it to 20mg after the first week, and I meant that I want to get to what would be my peak natural physique, but more quickly. I don't care about whether I have technical natty status or not lol.

And yeah I'm planning for this to be 10 weeks minimum with MK677 for the first few weeks.

When it comes to 4 andro, how much is that going to impact HPTA recovery compared to running a short ester low dose test base?

Honestly I'd just get real gear or inject LGD if I do anything heavier than ostarine.

By the way I like the feedback, don't worry about sugar coating ****. I get it. I've been racing motocross for 12 years, and some of the **** new guys say needs to be corrected. And Im definitely a new guy here lol.

I had another question, too. Could running HCG keep my natural testosterone up while running ostarine? It would bypass the HPTA, but I have heard that there is another "short circuit" loop where your testicles will actually reduce test production in response to elevated test levels. Does HCG bypass that? I havent found much good info on that circuit yet, since I only recently learned about it. My literal only worry with anabolics is fucking up my balls.
 
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I'm increasing it to 20mg after the first week, and I meant that I want to get to what would be my peak natural physique, but more quickly. I don't care about whether I have technical natty status or not lol.

And yeah I'm planning for this to be 10 weeks minimum with MK677 for the first few weeks.

When it comes to 4 andro, how much is that going to impact HPTA recovery compared to running a short ester low dose test base?

Honestly I'd just get real gear or inject LGD if I do anything heavier than ostarine.

By the way I like the feedback, don't worry about sugar coating ****. I get it. I've been racing motocross for 12 years, and some of the **** new guys say needs to be corrected. And Im definitely a new guy here lol.
How these things effect hpta differs from person to, and recovery is dependent on your ability to recover. Osta is suppressive on its own as little as 3 mg a day. Some guys take a sarm or prohormone for 4 weeks and have a really rough time recovering. Someone else might blast and cruise for 6-8 months straight and recover like nothing. It's super dependent on the person. Regardless of weather you think your gonna need it or not you should get yourself some nolva or clomid for pct.


When osta first came out I tried it at various doses and all were dissapointing.

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If you live outside the US I'm sure a little googling and you can find it somewhere that you can access it.
 
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A few things that might help you reach your goal. peak natural physique for a 5'10 man is about 165lbs shredded. If I were you, I would diet my way down to about 160 lb and then focus on building some muscle. The higher your body fat is the harder it is to gain muscle and the more likely you are to gain fat. The leaner you are the easier it is to build muscle. At 20% bf you're probably going to add more body fat than muscle. Everyone hates the idea of losing all that weight but it's a necessary evil if you ever want to reach your best physique.
 

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How these things effect hpta differs from person to, and recovery is dependent on your ability to recover. Osta is suppressive on its own as little as 3 mg a day. Some guys take a sarm or prohormone for 4 weeks and have a really rough time recovering. Someone else might blast and cruise for 6-8 months straight and recover like nothing. It's super dependent on the person. Regardless of weather you think your gonna need it or not you should get yourself some nolva or clomid for pct.


When osta first came out I tried it at various doses and all were dissapointing.

If you live in the US, I'm a rep for https://maresearchchems.net/product/tamoxifen/

With my discount code (smont) you can get yourself a serm for like $32

If you live outside the US I'm sure a little googling and you can find it somewhere that you can access it.
Ah nice! Thats worth having on hand for damn sure. I was thinking I should get some nolvadex . Where did you get ostarine back then? Someone was saying there was like 1 US supplier that bought all of the actual ostarine that was manufactured, so the other suppliers were big question marks lol. But yeah I know this stuff is really mild. And thats alright because I really don't know enough about my body or about gear to jump on real gear as correctly as I would want to. This is training wheels.
 
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Ah nice! Thats worth having on hand for damn sure. I was thinking I should get some nolvadex . Where did you get ostarine back then? Someone was saying there was like 1 US supplier that bought all of the actual ostarine that was manufactured, so the other suppliers were big question marks lol. But yeah I know this stuff is really mild. And thats alright because I really don't know enough about my body or about gear to jump on real gear as correctly as I would want to. This is training wheels.
Olympus labs had the majority of all the legit osta when it first came out to the mainstream.

I actually found osta to cause more negative effects then positive effects. Lots of ppl did.
 

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I may turn this into more of a cut than I planned. We'll see. Im pretty wide, skeletally. I was 170 at 10% bodyfat 2 summers ago and I looked scrawny. 6' 2" wingspan and wide shoulders. I just got a few days worth of meals ready. Each has approx 2600 calories and 250g protein.
 
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I actually tried it before Olympus had it in there line up. About 12 years ago there was a couple college baseball coaches In my area getting it because it was supposed to be the next big thing and you couldn't fail a drug test for it lol
 
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I may turn this into more of a cut than I planned. We'll see. Im pretty wide, skeletally. I was 170 at 10% bodyfat 2 summers ago and I looked scrawny. 6' 2" wingspan and wide shoulders. I just got a few days worth of meals ready. Each has approx 2600 calories and 250g protein.
Not for nothing, but if you were really 10% at 170 lb you should have looked pretty damn good. At 10% you should have a full set of abs and veins popping out
 

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This is what those inbody scan numbers look like on me right now. 6 weeks of MK677 really makes it easy to pack fat on lol.
 
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This is what those inbody scan numbers look like on me right now. 6 weeks of MK677 really makes it easy to pack fat on lol.
If the mk is making you eat too much then drop it, it's not a game changer. The biggest game changer is mastering your diet and sticking to it for long periods of time.

I think if you maintained the muscle you have while dropping down to about 180 lb you'd be very happy with how you looked. I recently cut from 223 all the way to 183. Now I'm back up to 205 and I gotta cut again.

Put this into perspective, frank Zane was about 180-185lbs on stage at 5'9 and around 6% bf
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Even at a light bodyweight you can hold a lot of muscle
 
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Yeah the more I think about it, the MK677 is doing more harm than good now. Im gonna drop it, because its impossible to control diet for me even if I take adderall I have to eat like a 1000lb sister on that stuff.
 
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Also you are very mistaken how these things work, osta is going to lower your testosterone and your estrogen. And arimistane is terrible at lowering estrogen anyway.
Totally agree with the first part, and everything else said, except the part about arimistane not being good at lowering estrogen. I have confirmed more than once with bloodwork that it is a stout AI, at least the brand I was using.

I ran it at 25mg 4x per week and it took my estradiol (measured by Quests estradiol sensitive test) from upper 30s to 4 in 6 weeks. So yeah, I personally respect arimistane. This is of course just one man's experience and individual response is definitely a thing...
 
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Totally agree with the first part, and everything else said, except the part about arimistane not being good at lowering estrogen. I have confirmed more than once with bloodwork that it is a stout AI, at least the brand I was using.

I ran it at 25mg 4x per week and it took my estradiol (measured by Quests estradiol sensitive test) from upper 30s to 4 in 6 weeks. So yeah, I personally respect arimistane. This is of course just one man's experience and individual response is definitely a thing...
Everyone's different, I had zero luck with arimistane lowering estrogen, same goes for a lot of my friends.

I shouldn't make things sound so cut and dry. Sometimes I reply so quick with my own opinion or experience I forget that it's my opinion and not a fact🤦
 

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Totally agree with the first part, and everything else said, except the part about arimistane not being good at lowering estrogen. I have confirmed more than once with bloodwork that it is a stout AI, at least the brand I was using.

I ran it at 25mg 4x per week and it took my estradiol (measured by Quests estradiol sensitive test) from upper 30s to 4 in 6 weeks. So yeah, I personally respect arimistane. This is of course just one man's experience and individual response is definitely a thing...
My thinking behind running Arimistane during the first part of the cycle was that I might be able to keep the initial spike in unbound testosterone from aromatising as much, which would hopefully keep my HPTA from having an abrupt plummet. Which I was hoping would lead to maintaining natural HPTA function for a little longer during the cycle. By the way, where did you get your arimistane? I got mine from hi-tech pharmaseuticals.

I have noticed my balls ache 100% of my first few days on Ostarine, so far. I hear thats common. I've also noticed that my ball ache goes away about 45 minutes after I take Arimistane.
 
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Everyone's different, I had zero luck with arimistane lowering estrogen, same goes for a lot of my friends.

I shouldn't make things sound so cut and dry. Sometimes I reply so quick with my own opinion or experience I forget that it's my opinion and not a fact🤦
I will be honest, I was STUNNED to find an OTC supplement that worked that well. And I felt better on it than I did on adex. I don't use an ai right now because my HRT is pretty dialed in, but it is good to know there are options.

And I'm pretty sure not all brands are created equal...
 
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My thinking behind running Arimistane during the first part of the cycle was that I might be able to keep the initial spike in unbound testosterone from aromatising as much, which would hopefully keep my HPTA from having an abrupt plummet. Which I was hoping would lead to maintaining natural HPTA function for a little longer during the cycle. By the way, where did you get your arimistane? I got mine from hi-tech pharmaseuticals.

I have noticed my balls ache 100% of my first few days on Ostarine, so far. I hear thats common. I've also noticed that my ball ache goes away about 45 minutes after I take Arimistane.
I've had my arimistane for like 3 years, and I forget where I got it. I THINK saying brands is OK, mods, please forgive me if not. I use the first version of Elim1nate. Blue and silver label, not the current formula. The current formula doesn't have arimistane in it, IIRC.
 
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I've had my arimistane for like 3 years, and I forget where I got it. I THINK saying brands is OK, mods, please forgive me if not. I use the first version of Elim1nate. Blue and silver label, not the current formula. The current formula doesn't have arimistane in it, IIRC.
Brand names are fine, places where you buy supplements and grey area stuff is fine although they prefer you talk about board sponsors over random companies.

What is not fine is giving ppl a source to purchase anabolic steroids and things of that nature, prescription medications, basically anything that is illegal you can not openly talk about where to get it.
 

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Hey guys, just popping in with a 3 week update. I got sick during week 2, but I was still lifting at home. Definitely was in a deficit, and felt flat as hell. I'm feeling great now, re-fed yesterday, and hit the gym hard. Im consistently weighing between 190lb and 192lb, which is down from consistently being 195-198 3 weeks ago. I'm returning to a caloric surplus this week.

I'll be back with a 6 week photo and body scan, so we can see actual numbers on body comp.

For now, Here is a 3 week photo comparison:
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Yeah, even if you didn't write down your body weight it's visually obvious that you lost some body fat
Thanks man! I'm happy with where this is going so far. No side effects as of 3 weeks in, other than mild insomnia. Still taking 12.5mg MK677 and 20mg cardarine. Libido is good, and the ol eggplant looks bigger from the fat loss.
 

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1 month update shown below. Pulled a 400Lb deadlift., so thats up 35Lb.

196.6Lbs left pic 192Lbs right pic. Im taking MK677 and beating every muscle group to death every day. Found a few new little tweaks to my routine that feel good this week, so Im going to keep going hard with this, right up until my 6 week body scan.

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Jokes aside, it looks like your making improvements but it's kinda hard to make a accurate judgement because the after picture is a lot closer. Throws the perspective off
 

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Jokes aside, it looks like your making improvements but it's kinda hard to make a accurate judgement because the after picture is a lot closer. Throws the perspective off
Yeah I noticed that after I posted it. Im gonna put more effort into replicating the pics later on. There arent really any logs here on this combo that I would call detailed. So I'm trying to make a useful one at least and see what I can squeeze out of it, I guess.
 
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Yeah I noticed that after I posted it. Im gonna put more effort into replicating the pics later on. There arent really any logs here on this combo that I would call detailed. So I'm trying to make a useful one at least and see what I can squeeze out of it, I guess.
I gotta be honest, you should chalk your results up to your effort and not the stuff your taking because osta and arimistane are going to to very little for your physique, maybe help with a slightly leaner appearance. Carderine is more performance based then cosmetic too. So good job on your end💪
 

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I gotta be honest, you should chalk your results up to your effort and not the stuff your taking because osta and arimistane are going to to very little for your physique, maybe help with a slightly leaner appearance. Carderine is more performance based then cosmetic too. So good job on your end💪
Thanks man! And yeah I stopped taking arimistane like 2 weeks in. Honestly though the ostarine is giving a ton of endurance and my joints feel great for the first time in forever. I have weak rotator cuffs from genetics as well as injury. They are solid these days tho. No clicking/popping or pain.
 

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6 week Body Scan Update: I lost about 6Lbs of body fat and gained about 2.6Lbs of muscle.

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So I guess I'll go and do leg day right now lol. Also gonna start eating more, since I have apparently been in a 500 calorie deficit every day this whole damn time. Im gonna try to replicate the baseline pic so people can see what that has ended up looking like on me.
 
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I have mixed feelings rn to be honest. I guess I would not normally expect to gain any muscle while cutting weight. But damn I was really not trying to cut.

I'm gonna go 3 more weeks, and eat a **** ton. Got a new meal prep plan and a backup for days when im lazy or forget.
 
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I've had my arimistane for like 3 years, and I forget where I got it. I THINK saying brands is OK, mods, please forgive me if not. I use the first version of Elim1nate. Blue and silver label, not the current formula. The current formula doesn't have arimistane in it, IIRC. [/CITATION].


Hi, juste a question, How many time you take Armistane after your Cycle ?

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