Ostar1ne

Hercules1982 said:
I completed a 45 days cycle of Ostabol (15 mg/day) + 11-andro (400-450 mg/day), and I am now 10 days into PCT (Reversitol V2 + DS Lean Xtreme + DAA).
Very pleased with the result. Was deep into a cut when I started the cycle and managed to lose another 2kg of pure fat while greatly increasing strength. Especially the pecs and abs look much more defined and fuller. New PBs on most exercises (except bench press and shoulder press, which in my experience are very dependent on my calory intake), crushing the performance that i had 8 kg ago. Although I have increased my carb and calory uptake, I am happy to see that I so far have been able to keep my gains in PCT.

Planning to run a bulk cycle with Ostabol and X1-kt in three weeks. Any thoughts on what results I could expect? I know there are PHs that are better suited for this purpose, but I dont want to run strong compounds without a SERM (which I currently cannot acquire).
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Nice progress man. I don't know about osta for bulk. I barely got any gains from it. Strength I really noticed but size wise even with an increased cal intake I didn't notice much. Honestly from experience I got more gains from ara/anabeta elite.
 
Thanks for the feedback. What dosage did you run? Seems that most people get good results from it on cut and recomp, but haven't seen any bulking reviews out there
 
I'm running it at 20mg and it's ok. Not really seeing or feeling much to be honest. Some strength gains, and more of an appetite but that's about it.
 
halfhuman said:
I'm running it at 20mg and it's ok. Not really seeing or feeling much to be honest. Some strength gains, and more of an appetite but that's about it.
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goodvibes said:
Nice progress man. I don't know about osta for bulk. I barely got any gains from it. Strength I really noticed but size wise even with an increased cal intake I didn't notice much. Honestly from experience I got more gains from ara/anabeta elite.
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Damn, I'm currently "lean" bulking and about to start a 6 week run of Ost. I was pretty hyped until reading this! Are you guys running it solo?
 
cjdesmit said:
Damn, I'm currently "lean" bulking and about to start a 6 week run of Ost. I was pretty hyped until reading this! Are you guys running it solo?
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I was hoping it was going to go better. I'm on week 3 and supposedly week two is where it starts. Just seeing increase in appetite and some strength increase. Not really seeing any mirror changes. I'm running it with ep1c.
 
halfhuman said:
I was hoping it was going to go better. I'm on week 3 and supposedly week two is where it starts. Just seeing increase in appetite and some strength increase. Not really seeing any mirror changes. I'm running it with ep1c.
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Have you taken any PH's before? If so, maybe you were simply expecting too much as Osta is relatively "weak" in comparison to most; at least from my understanding. I haven't ran anything besides 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol aka Hexadrone so I'm hoping I will be happy with the results of Ostar1ne.
 
cjdesmit said:
Have you taken any PH's before? If so, maybe you were simply expecting too much as Osta is relatively "weak" in comparison to most; at least from my understanding. I haven't ran anything besides 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol aka Hexadrone so I'm hoping I will be happy with the results of Ostar1ne.
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Of course I have. Lol. Ik not to compare. But at the moment nothing is like Ara (non ph). I thought this might be an alternative. Maybe I need to up the dosage.
 
halfhuman said:
Of course I have. Lol. Ik not to compare. But at the moment nothing is like Ara (non ph). I thought this might be an alternative. Maybe I need to up the dosage.
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Hah fair enough. I'm still tiptoeing around PH's, it's just a matter of time though. I'd like to give ARA a try as well however I have enough joint/inflammation pain as it is already, so I've been avoiding it. That's actually what drew me to Osta.. the healing benefits. Have you noticed anything as far as that?
 
halfhuman said:
Of course I have. Lol. Ik not to compare. But at the moment nothing is like Ara (non ph). I thought this might be an alternative. Maybe I need to up the dosage.
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In my experience, the significant visual improvement came late (week 4 and onwards), but I was surprised to see strength gains very early on. Again, I was running it with 400-450 mg 11-andro, so it's a bit hard to say what caused what.
 
I ran ostarine solo on the last 4 weeks. It was a staggered run. No noticeable gains on the weighing scale and a very minor improvement in the mirror if any.

The good side: strength increases and joint/injury improvements

Dosage was 20 a day for ~7 weeks. I went down to 10 on the last week also

I don't think one would need a serm for this. Feels mild and honestly this is supposed to be the strongest compound I have taken next to formeron which is technically my first ph at 1 pump a day.
 
goodvibes said:
I ran ostarine solo on the last 4 weeks. It was a staggered run. No noticeable gains on the weighing scale and a very minor improvement in the mirror if any.

The good side: strength increases and joint/injury improvements

Dosage was 20 a day for ~7 weeks. I went down to 10 on the last week also

I don't think one would need a serm for this. Feels mild and honestly this is supposed to be the strongest compound I have taken next to formeron which is technically my first ph at 1 pump a day.
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What did your calorie intake look like? Guessing you were not in a surplus if you didn't even gain a pound?
 
Hercules1982 said:
In my experience, the significant visual improvement came late (week 4 and onwards), but I was surprised to see strength gains very early on. Again, I was running it with 400-450 mg 11-andro, so it's a bit hard to say what caused what.
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If something that gives all these benefits come after week 4 than ill pass. Way to late and long to see anything. Longer than a ph that's crazy lol. I'm cutting my run short and save it for another run at 25-30mg. Strength gains came early as well for me and some nice joint health.
 
I'm a bit confused.. People are claiming increased strength gains however are not reporting any visual results or weight gain. If you are lifting heavier due to increased strength, as well as eating in a surplus.. over the course of 4-8 weeks you should be seeing SOMETHING in regards to the mirror, as well as the scale. Or am I crazy?
 
cjdesmit said:
I'm a bit confused.. People are claiming increased strength gains however are not reporting any visual results or weight gain. If you are lifting heavier due to increased strength, as well as eating in a surplus.. over the course of 4-8 weeks you should be seeing SOMETHING in regards to the mirror, as well as the scale. Or am I crazy?
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I think some people are also running in deficit where osta does shine as well.
 
I believe a deficit is where it shines, I've been at a very slight deficit, lost 4 lbs in 6 weeks but my muscle size has increased and strength has skyrocketed, would never happen on a natty cut no matter how slow you lose weight
I'm running it at 25 mg, tomorrow marks the 6 week point
 
Hercules1982 said:
In my experience, the significant visual improvement came late (week 4 and onwards), but I was surprised to see strength gains very early on. Again, I was running it with 400-450 mg 11-andro, so it's a bit hard to say what caused what.
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Clinical trials were run for 3-4 months, so that makes sense.
 
cjdesmit said:
What did your calorie intake look like? Guessing you were not in a surplus if you didn't even gain a pound?
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I was for sure on a surplus. Will reply with more details tonight but this is just a quick overview of my experience. Been planning to start a log/review to contribute in our AM board.
 
goodvibes said:
I was for sure on a surplus. Will reply with more details tonight but this is just a quick overview of my experience. Been planning to start a log/review to contribute in our AM board.
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Sounds good, looking forward to it. Be sure to link it here!
 
halfhuman said:
Of course I have. Lol. Ik not to compare. But at the moment nothing is like Ara (non ph). I thought this might be an alternative. Maybe I need to up the dosage.
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Up the dosage like we talked about and if you like it then stack the two. Could be some synergy in Ara's proposed ability to enhance the AR.
 
xhrr said:
Up the dosage like we talked about and if you like it then stack the two. Could be some synergy in Ara's proposed ability to enhance the AR.
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Yea that's the plan. Nah I want to run it solo. I wanna see wat 30-40 does
 
halfhuman said:
Yea that's the plan. Nah I want to run it solo. I wanna see wat 30-40 does
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That's what I meant. Solo this time. Stacked in the future if you enjoy. Could be some additive effects of the two and if not well it is still two really good compounds that could make a nice run for those who choose to stay away from PH's/Gear.
 
Ok, finished my 7-8 weeks .. Gains 2-3 lbs.. Did bloodwork today 3 days off since libido was a bit down. Taking 10mg nolva for a few days , along with erase pro , which i will use longer. I noticed from havoc and trenazone, the weaker stuff that 5-6 days of 10mg nolva is enough, if i take more and longer, i get more trouble. Also a low dose nolva for a few days boost libido etc. Longer high doses kills it, and gives me estrogen rebound.

I felt ostarine, but very little, expecting it is better for cutting.

Bloodwork will show if i got suppressed from it.. But i doubt it. My libido has its ups and down regardless..
 
woodbear said:
Ok, finished my 7-8 weeks .. Gains 2-3 lbs.. Did bloodwork today 3 days off since libido was a bit down. Taking 10mg nolva for a few days , along with erase pro , which i will use longer. I noticed from havoc and trenazone, the weaker stuff that 5-6 days of 10mg nolva is enough, if i take more and longer, i get more trouble. Also a low dose nolva for a few days boost libido etc. Longer high doses kills it, and gives me estrogen rebound.

I felt ostarine, but very little, expecting it is better for cutting.

Bloodwork will show if i got suppressed from it.. But i doubt it. My libido has its ups and down regardless..
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What dose of osta?
 
goodvibes said:
I was for sure on a surplus. Will reply with more details tonight but this is just a quick overview of my experience. Been planning to start a log/review to contribute in our AM board.
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Did you ever get around to writing a log/review? Haven't seen one so just making sure I didn't miss it..
 
cjdesmit said:
Did you ever get around to writing a log/review? Haven't seen one so just making sure I didn't miss it..
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Here's a short log. I'm all over the place on this log since Im on a lot of things. If you have questions just fire away. I'm going to post some pics of body transformation or lack thereof :(

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goodvibes said:
Here's a short log. I'm all over the place on this log since Im on a lot of things. If you have questions just fire away. I'm going to post some pics of body transformation or lack thereof :(

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I haven't read your log but I hope youre not attributing the lack of body comp to those compounds.
 
xhrr said:
I haven't read your log but I hope youre not attributing the lack of body comp to those compounds.
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Of course not. I'm just saying it's not the best compound for bulking. I think those are actually good for recomping by losing bodyfat on a diet while keeping strength and avoid muscle wasting.
 
goodvibes said:
Of course not. I'm just saying it's not the best compound for bulking. I think those are actually good for recomping by losing bodyfat on a diet while keeping strength and avoid muscle wasting.
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I would say to up your dosage but saw you experienced lethargy at 20. Maybe something like dermacrine would alleviate the lethargy your experienced. 30-35 mg and the size gains were much more pronounced for me. At 20 it was definitely more of a recomp effect. I enjoy Osta I actually liked it more than the only cycle I've ever run of 1 andro and stano.

35 + formestane was amazing for me.
 
xhrr said:
I would say to up your dosage but saw you experienced lethargy at 20. Maybe something like dermacrine would alleviate the lethargy your experienced. 30-35 mg and the size gains were much more pronounced for me. At 20 it was definitely more of a recomp effect. I enjoy Osta I actually liked it more than the only cycle I've ever run of 1 andro and stano.

35 + formestane was amazing for me.
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I'm thinking if I run it next time I'll definitely use it during a cut. There are other compounds best suited for bulking.
 
You won't "feel" anything on osta. It's not that type of compound. You should see hardening, increased ability to hang onto muscle during a cut, minor strength gains, increased appetite/ability to utilize carbs and nutrients and in a surplus some LBM. Great for a recomp and in a deficit. You all are expecting way to much. IT SHINES IN PCT as far as hanging onto mass goes. With a SERM in pct you should recover fine
 
JeremyNG25 said:
You won't "feel" anything on osta. It's not that type of compound. You should see hardening, increased ability to hang onto muscle during a cut, minor strength gains, increased appetite/ability to utilize carbs and nutrients and in a surplus some LBM. Great for a recomp and in a deficit. You all are expecting way to much. IT SHINES IN PCT as far as hanging onto mass goes. With a SERM in pct you should recover fine
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That's what I'm trying to say to these guys who's running it for bulking. Use it on a right regimen and it will work. Some that are running it on 30-35 might as well take aas/ph if they're going to suppress themselves to that extent.
 
Yeah bro, just going to stay away from the dark side, when I lose my boyband looks, that will be a consideration ;), haha
 
I`ll call the docs office next week to hear if the bloodwork is back. I don`t think Osta did supress anything

Started having morning wood again, and I`ve been superstrong in the gym the last few days.

Osta did not do much, but it did enough to use again, if bloodworks not dissapointing.

Btw. Next proper cycle might be halovar(hdrol) everything I have tried has given me super libido on cycle, and back to normal during pct, with a few dips here an there. Especially havoc/epi.. Thats like using viagra for me (tried twice for fun, havoc did the same to a slighly lesser degree, but consistant.

Considering using the osta during, wonder if you raise test levels etc. with hdrol, and raise the receptors with the osta, maybe it will lead to better gains?
 
woodbear said:
I`ll call the docs office next week to hear if the bloodwork is back. I don`t think Osta did supress anything Started having morning wood again, and I`ve been superstrong in the gym the last few days. Osta did not do much, but it did enough to use again, if bloodworks not dissapointing. Btw. Next proper cycle might be halovar(hdrol) everything I have tried has given me super libido on cycle, and back to normal during pct, with a few dips here an there. Especially havoc/epi.. Thats like using viagra for me (tried twice for fun, havoc did the same to a slighly lesser degree, but consistant. Considering using the osta during, wonder if you raise test levels etc. with hdrol, and raise the receptors with the osta, maybe it will lead to better gains?
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Pretty strange you notice and increase in libido on cycle but I guess it's possible. What is your body type? Do you have a decent build? If your normally a softer build you might have low t along with other androgens naturally in your body which could explain when you add an androgen why your libido skyrockets. If you maintain a pretty decent physique year round though then I have no idea just consider yourself lucky.

I would hold off on stacking halo and osta. Don't quote me but from what I've read they make compete for the same receptors which isn't ideal at all. So maybe save osta and run it in your pct at a low dose of your into that or just save it for a solo run. Try it at 30+ mg sometime it's fun but have a serm on hand.
 
I have around 10% bf, and gor a mens physique type of body, perhaps a tad bigger. Everyone can see I work out ;-)

But I got bloodwork back, just over phone, I wrote some down, I`ll get it printed out tomorrow, and yes, it sure was suppressive.
Here are the basics
normal free test has been 6,6 (ref 2,2-9,5)
now it was 9,1 so it was up, but as I got the numbers, things got worse.
The two types of estrogen they measure , usually I`m just below max, they where now above max.

shbg was 14, (ref 8-90) I don`t remember mye previous there, but I will get them to print out the last tests too.

normal test was 13,4, (ref 8-35)
normally I`m around 20... so that was down too.

Taking new bloodwork tomorrow.
 
I must say I thrive on just below max estrogen, then my libido is awsome, probalby why I can use things like erase and never notice any dry limbs, still got enough E2.
Pretty stoked to see these numbers, apparantly the high free T allows me to function with lower total T... considering I`m in pretty good shape now, with arms defined at 17" inches pumped on 5`4" frame(no fatceps), and no apparant gyno problems... I`ve had gyno issues with far less E numbers... I never have gotten visible gyno, just had glands that sometimes get painfull from time to time since I was 23 years old.
 
converted, I have free test of 260 and total test of 380ish.

I usually have free test around 172 and total test in the 500`s .. atleast from the 2 tests I did last year.

Never been this low before, I`ll get the fsh an lh tomorrow. They are not too bad, but the doc secretary read so bad over the phone, I`m not sure which number are which until I see them in writing.

I`ve never done anything longer than 4 weeks, and tests after that hardly showed any problems, actually a few days after using epi/havoc, my total test was 25 (8-35) 720ish.. so 8 weeks of osta gave me shutdown, and hardly any gains it seems... so thinking...mmm.. not using the second bottle for a good while.

I`ll see what happens over time, if E2 gets under max, and total T up to around 500, I`m happy, that works great for me.



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here are som bloodwork numbers :
After Havoc and proper pct. I had lowered libido, and some nipple discharge.:
LH 6,9 (1-12)
S-androstendione 8 (less than 6,2)
Free test 6,7
SHBG 40 (8-60)
total test 27 (8-35)
E2 0,24 (0,06-0,14)

7 months later: Everything felt awsome. libido its usual pornstar quality... So I don`t need very high test levels to function, just having E2 under max seems to do the trick.
LH 5,1
Total test 16,8 (8-45)
E2 0,10 (0,008-0,11)

After Ostarine (brawn obol)
LH 6,2
FSH 2,76 (1-12)
prolactin 414 (73-407)
shbg 14,7 (8-90)
total test 13,4 (8-35)
E2 0,14 (0,08-0,11)

I have bloodwork done when I was 31
I had total test of 14,4. thats all that was tested.

I need to get estrogen and prolactin down, LH looks fine all the way, so not really very shutdown, but my E2 is generally high... I have more tests, and E2 is always in the high range, pes erase , and old pro with arimastane gets T usually up to 17-20 area, and E2 below max. So it works :-)
 
Thanks for sharing useful experiences here.

I just completed a 4-week PCT after a 45-day run of 15 mg Osta + 400mg 11-andro per day.
PCT consisted of Reversitol v2 + DS Lean Xtreme + DAA.

Generally quite satisfied with how the gains held up in PCT. I have managed to gain some strength in PCT (should be noted that I have upped the carbs and total cals) and the hardening of the pec is still visible and can be felt. I have gained 0.5 cm around the waist in PCT, but the biceps seems a tad bigger (again this may relate to increased calory intake). Also, I did not notice any sides during PCT. During the cycle I had a few cases of insomnia, but this for sure related to a few incidents on late (21ish) intake of the compounds.
Overall it is quite pleasing that I generally have same the level of strength (stronger on pull exercises, but bench press still lagging) as before the 10 kg cut I have completed. I wish that I had used these compounds throughout the whole cut, which would allow me to preserve more muscle, but that's for next time ;)

I am now thinking of when to start the next cycle. I am considering to start in one week (5 weeks after the last intake, 1 week after PCT). If I were taking a strong PH or steroid this would be considered a far too short break, however I have read that Ostabol cycles can be run with shorter breaks. Any input on this? How long would you wait before the next cycle?
 
Hercules1982 what kind of gains did you get, only strength or LBM as well, prior to PCT? Curious since it seems you ran sub-dosing of both compounds, compared to most others on these boards.
 
Hercules1982 said:
Thanks for sharing useful experiences here.

I just completed a 4-week PCT after a 45-day run of 15 mg Osta + 400mg 11-andro per day.
PCT consisted of Reversitol v2 + DS Lean Xtreme + DAA.

Generally quite satisfied with how the gains held up in PCT. I have managed to gain some strength in PCT (should be noted that I have upped the carbs and total cals) and the hardening of the pec is still visible and can be felt. I have gained 0.5 cm around the waist in PCT, but the biceps seems a tad bigger (again this may relate to increased calory intake). Also, I did not notice any sides during PCT. During the cycle I had a few cases of insomnia, but this for sure related to a few incidents on late (21ish) intake of the compounds.
Overall it is quite pleasing that I generally have same the level of strength (stronger on pull exercises, but bench press still lagging) as before the 10 kg cut I have completed. I wish that I had used these compounds throughout the whole cut, which would allow me to preserve more muscle, but that's for next time ;)

I am now thinking of when to start the next cycle. I am considering to start in one week (5 weeks after the last intake, 1 week after PCT). If I were taking a strong PH or steroid this would be considered a far too short break, however I have read that Ostabol cycles can be run with shorter breaks. Any input on this? How long would you wait before the next cycle?
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The common thought is that you can start another SARM cycle pretty quickly after PCT... the only true way to tell is by bloodwork though. I wouldn't rush it though. take a couple weeks to let your body settle and then get back on.
 
I have 2 bottles of Ostar1ne coming to me right now and am just now finishing up a DMZ run where I put on a ton of mass. On TRT so suppression doesn't matter. Do you think I would be alright to try and shed some Bodyfat at 40mg right after a PH run or should I still be killing some food like I have been?
 
Gw44 said:
I have 2 bottles of Ostar1ne coming to me right now and am just now finishing up a DMZ run where I put on a ton of mass. On TRT so suppression doesn't matter. Do you think I would be alright to try and shed some Bodyfat at 40mg right after a PH run or should I still be killing some food like I have been?
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You def dont wanna jump stright into a cut. The suppression isn't the issue during "PCT" time so much as the solidifcation of the gains you made. All that new muscle is not matured and will break down very easily in a deficit, even with some exogenous help. You'd be best off taking at least a month to keep eating and lifting hard to solidify everything before cutting.
 
Segansational said:
Hercules1982 what kind of gains did you get, only strength or LBM as well, prior to PCT? Curious since it seems you ran sub-dosing of both compounds, compared to most others on these boards.
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Although I usually measure everything I do, I did not take precise measures before I started. My review was based on the visual improvements and strength gains that I achieved. I do however measure my biceps quite often, and the size remained virtually unchanged. As such, I believe any LBM gain was zero to little. it should be noted though, that I was running in a deficit (maybe 500 cals per day) throughout the cycle. I will probably start another cycle next week (bulking) and will make sure to make comprehensive before and after measurements.
 
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