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Osta vs LGD for healing and anti-catabolism

Whacked

Whacked

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I have surgery coming up. Biceps tear. Will not be able to work out for 3 months.

Which of these would be more anti-catabolic (I don't hold on to muscle well when I don't work out).

Also, which of these are better to assist with healing (if any)? I have heard anecdotal posts about Osta's healing abilities but have never seen research to support it.

I CANNOT DO PEPS, GH or MK677 so please do not recommend these.

Thanks
 
Osta for healing.
Had 3 bad tears in my meniscus.
Was scheduled for surgery.
Did osta cycle.
Healed my knee and opted out of surgery.
 
Whacked said:
I have surgery coming up. Biceps tear. Will not be able to work out for 3 months.

Which of these would be more anti-catabolic (I don't hold on to muscle well when I don't work out).

Also, which of these are better to assist with healing (if any)? I have heard anecdotal posts about Osta's healing abilities but have never seen research to support it.

I CANNOT DO PEPS, GH or MK677 so please do not recommend these.

Thanks
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I had a 6cm tear in my bicep this year. Used osta 2-3 weeks into injury for 6 weeks, all but healed it. Finished with a month of physio and i was back to light compound lifts. Took another 3 months to be comfortable with direct work on the bicep. Take your time with it and judge by how you feel
 
Osta definitely. Happened to get sick during one of my osta cycles. If I remember correctly it was around 3 straight weeks and I decided to stay on the cycle. Glad I did because when I came back it was like I didn't even take any time off. Literally was able to go right back to the same weights I was using before getting sick. I did 15 mg. No need to ever go over 20mg. Anything over is a waste and will not contribute to anymore gains just increase risk of side effects and waste money.
 
I'm thinking of cutting my time off short and run some Osta next month. Main reason is that I heard it doesn't shut down LH/FSH much compared to traditional AAS/DS/PH and the sides are lower
 
Damn, y'all run some high ass dosages of osta
 
The healing effects of osta sound pretty nice. I might be asking Yates for some insight possibly in the near future. He seems to be the go to guy for Sarms.
 
I have read his posts and he does seem to be a pretty informative person. I tend to disagree with his pct protocols however. Nonetheless, he is knowledgable.
 
Sparta12 said:
Isnt 20-25mg recommended for lean gains? 10mg and below for muscle sparing or whatever?
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I've mostly heard that anything over 20mg is just extra sides with no added benefit. I personally have never tried going over 20 so I couldn't tell you from experience if there is truth to that.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I've mostly heard that anything over 20mg is just extra sides with no added benefit. I personally have never tried going over 20 so I couldn't tell you from experience if there is truth to that.
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Never ran it..but that's exactly what I always read on other boards.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I've mostly heard that anything over 20mg is just extra sides with no added benefit. I personally have never tried going over 20 so I couldn't tell you from experience if there is truth to that.
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My sweet spot is also at 20mg/ed. Increased for tests to 25mg/ed. The additional effect is not worth to mention.

To OP: there are many possibilities and some ar non-drugs based :)
For your special situation, I wouldn't recommend LGD. A 12 weeks run with max 15mg/ed Ostarine is acceptable (my opinion based on own experiences). Had better blood results - and sustainable gains - after 11 weeks with max. 20mg/ed Osta in comparison to 9 weeks 7mg/ed LGD (couple of days at 10mg/ed for tests).

Even 10mg/ed have a strong anabolic/anticatabolic effect, so more doesn't mean better.
Beside you could run GW, which also has an anticatabolic effect. Be sure - if you are running GW - to use at the same time tribulus terrestis, to be on the safer way.

The healing effect is a funny topic in the SARM section. While the decreasing estrogen normally leads to dry joints, there must be something other that causes this "healing" effect. Me personally didn't experience any healing effect. Probably because I have healthy joints (up to now) and never had an accident in my workout history (just once in the squat rack I felt something weard in my left knee, but didn't came back...).

Beside these drugs I can recommend to workout. Yes, you red right. Workout.
Forget the upper body or excercises wirh you arms. I'm talking about the legs.

The legs have the biggest muscle structure in the body and by training them the other muscles in your body will also grow. Stimulating the leg muscules leads to incresed testosterone values (up to 3x times) and increased GH (up to 7x times). Of course only in a short period of time. While testosterone will fall back to the normal value quickly, you still will benefit from higher GH values in your body.

To keep it short: manage to go twice a week for leg excercises without using your arms (leg press 45°, leg biceps excercises, some calves and MOST IMPORTANT: squats, maybe not free but the led ones). One day or week higher volumes and the other with more weights - but still right technique, please - and lower reps.

I guarantee you: combined with max. 15mg/ed Ostarine you will have only a slight decrease in power of upper body excercises. With the described methods you are on the best way to optimize your situation.

All the best with your surgery and fast regeneration.

san
 
sanmarino said:
My sweet spot is also at 20mg/ed. Increased for tests to 25mg/ed. The additional effect is not worth to mention.

To OP: there are many possibilities and some ar non-drugs based :)
For your special situation, I wouldn't recommend LGD. A 12 weeks run with max 15mg/ed Ostarine is acceptable (my opinion based on own experiences). Had better blood results - and sustainable gains - after 11 weeks with max. 20mg/ed Osta in comparison to 9 weeks 7mg/ed LGD (couple of days at 10mg/ed for tests).

Even 10mg/ed have a strong anabolic/anticatabolic effect, so more doesn't mean better.
Beside you could run GW, which also has an anticatabolic effect. Be sure - if you are running GW - to use at the same time tribulus terrestis, to be on the safer way.

The healing effect is a funny topic in the SARM section. While the decreasing estrogen normally leads to dry joints, there must be something other that causes this "healing" effect. Me personally didn't experience any healing effect. Probably because I have healthy joints (up to now) and never had an accident in my workout history (just once in the squat rack I felt something weard in my left knee, but didn't came back...).

Beside these drugs I can recommend to workout. Yes, you red right. Workout.
Forget the upper body or excercises wirh you arms. I'm talking about the legs.

The legs have the biggest muscle structure in the body and by training them the other muscles in your body will also grow. Stimulating the leg muscules leads to incresed testosterone values (up to 3x times) and increased GH (up to 7x times). Of course only in a short period of time. While testosterone will fall back to the normal value quickly, you still will benefit from higher GH values in your body.

To keep it short: manage to go twice a week for leg excercises without using your arms (leg press 45°, leg biceps excercises, some calves and MOST IMPORTANT: squats, maybe not free but the led ones). One day or week higher volumes and the other with more weights - but still right technique, please - and lower reps.

I guarantee you: combined with max. 15mg/ed Ostarine you will have only a slight decrease in power of upper body excercises. With the described methods you are on the best way to optimize your situation.

All the best with your surgery and fast regeneration.

san
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Did you get bloods after your 15mg ED 12 wk run? If so what were the effects on LH and FSH level?
 
Have to search them at home, but when I remember right the values dropped by half.
Liver values increased and cholesterol worsened, but still better than in comparison to LGD.
 
Audioph1x said:
For me, anything over ~20mg just brought more sides. Everyone is different though.
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Not really, we are all humans. Some humans just think more is better. They have that mentality that they think they "need more" for whatever particular reason they decide. If you need more than 20mg than your Osta is bunk or under-dosed.
 
Audioph1x said:
For me, anything over ~20mg just brought more sides. Everyone is different though.
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Not really, we are all humans. Some humans just think more is better. They have that mentality that they think they "need more" for whatever particular reason they decide. If you need more than 20mg than your Osta is bunk or under-dosed.
 
sanmarino said:
My sweet spot is also at 20mg/ed. Increased for tests to 25mg/ed. The additional effect is not worth to mention.

To OP: there are many possibilities and some ar non-drugs based :)
For your special situation, I wouldn't recommend LGD. A 12 weeks run with max 15mg/ed Ostarine is acceptable (my opinion based on own experiences). Had better blood results - and sustainable gains - after 11 weeks with max. 20mg/ed Osta in comparison to 9 weeks 7mg/ed LGD (couple of days at 10mg/ed for tests).

Even 10mg/ed have a strong anabolic/anticatabolic effect, so more doesn't mean better.
Beside you could run GW, which also has an anticatabolic effect. Be sure - if you are running GW - to use at the same time tribulus terrestis, to be on the safer way.

The healing effect is a funny topic in the SARM section. While the decreasing estrogen normally leads to dry joints, there must be something other that causes this "healing" effect. Me personally didn't experience any healing effect. Probably because I have healthy joints (up to now) and never had an accident in my workout history (just once in the squat rack I felt something weard in my left knee, but didn't came back...).

Beside these drugs I can recommend to workout. Yes, you red right. Workout.
Forget the upper body or excercises wirh you arms. I'm talking about the legs.

The legs have the biggest muscle structure in the body and by training them the other muscles in your body will also grow. Stimulating the leg muscules leads to incresed testosterone values (up to 3x times) and increased GH (up to 7x times). Of course only in a short period of time. While testosterone will fall back to the normal value quickly, you still will benefit from higher GH values in your body.

To keep it short: manage to go twice a week for leg excercises without using your arms (leg press 45°, leg biceps excercises, some calves and MOST IMPORTANT: squats, maybe not free but the led ones). One day or week higher volumes and the other with more weights - but still right technique, please - and lower reps.

I guarantee you: combined with max. 15mg/ed Ostarine you will have only a slight decrease in power of upper body excercises. With the described methods you are on the best way to optimize your situation.

All the best with your surgery and fast regeneration.

san
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Thanks for chiming in SanN ;)
 
T-Bone said:
Not really, we are all humans. Some humans just think more is better. They have that mentality that they think they "need more" for whatever particular reason they decide. If you need more than 20mg than your Osta is bunk or under-dosed.
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Some people just have that mentality. Always will. Agreed, 20mg is the sweet spot.
 
I attempted to research the MOA of OSTA's purported "healing" benefits and came up short.

Lots of anecdotal reports but no hard science.

Any one have any convincing literature?
 
Also - how bad does OSTA Impact lipids and liver enzymes at only 20mg?

I can appreciate that this will be an indices thing so.... "generally speaking".
 
Whacked said:
Also - how bad does OSTA Impact lipids and liver enzymes at only 20mg?

I can appreciate that this will be an indices thing so.... "generally speaking".
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Total Cholesterine was 0.99 (instead of >1 units) and liver values 2-2.5x over max range. Let me know if you need more detailled info (I have it black on white). zman86: searched for my FSH and LH can't find the HTPA and sexual hormones values, I'm sorry. But I'm pretty sure, LH halfened. The FSH more or less too.
 
Whacked said:
I attempted to research the MOA of OSTA's purported "healing" benefits and came up short.

Lots of anecdotal reports but no hard science.

Any one have any convincing literature?
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Anyone ?
 
Whacked said:
Also - how bad does OSTA Impact lipids and liver enzymes at only 20mg?

I can appreciate that this will be an indices thing so.... "generally speaking".
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While on 12mg Legend and 20mg ostarine, my AST/ALT are only very mildly impacted (over the top end of normal range, but not much, and that was without any liver protection). I didn't have cholesterol done.
 
Osta seems like the right choice. It was developed for a similar purpose, and is milder.

Good luck with the surgery and recovery.
 
Whacked said:
I attempted to research the MOA of OSTA's purported "healing" benefits and came up short.

Lots of anecdotal reports but no hard science.

Any one have any convincing literature?
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Whacked said:
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From memory, most studies on SARMs, particularly Osta and LGD, demonstrated antiresorptive capacity. I personally havent compared numbers, so cant give a quantitative answer as to which is more effective in this regard.

However, Osta being by far the cheapest, and much more potent than any natty supp as an anti-catabolic agent, Id agree with others that it would be preferrable.
 
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