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firefighter2032

firefighter2032

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In case no one caught my props to IBE...

Quick breakdown...

I have medial epicondylitis (golfer's elbow) been going on and on for 2 years. No weight lifting which has driven me nuts.

I did prolotherapy on my arm that got it back to 80%. It was so bad at one point I couldn't squeeze a stapler. So I don't have any complaints about the prolotherapy, it did a good job.

Finally I got some great advise from Werewolf here on the boards and was advised to purchase Oratropin and PGH-t. My pain in my arm has no subsided tremendously after 2 weeks of supplementation.

My arm isn't back up to perfect, but compared to what it was I'm thrilled. I haven't done anything different except for the supplementation.

Thanks to IBE for a great supplement that was worth every penny I spent.

Thanks IBE
 
A week ago I took a dose of Oratropin and the pain at the epicondyle went away. Here I am now a week later and the pain is still not there.

After over 2 years of Doctors and shots and NSAID's I am thrilled.

A side effect that I have noticed...due to playing football and basketball in high school and at one point or another both my knees were hyperextended to slight degrees I had suffered with some pain, especially when these cold / wet Michigan days come upon us.

I take Glucosamine / Chrondroitin for it and it has done a lot of good and has really reduced the pain, but....a few weeks back I ran out and didn't have a chance to go and pick some up.

I've been doing a couple of miles every other day on my treadmill and I found another remarkable thing...I have no pains in my knees either.

I really hope these effects continue through.
 
Glad to hear it man! I love the stuff too, although I was using Inj. LR3 IGF-1 for a while. I was pleased to see the results were very similar in the oral delivery system. I was definitely a skeptic at first.

We are actually catching some heat at bb.com about it. Basically from one particular person who has never even tried it and is just dissing it. Glad to see you liked it though!
 
Feel free to use my name / quote for any purpose you wish.

I was skeptical at first, but I also didn't understand the science behind it. Thanks for a great product.

If you need me for any other quotes / testimonials feel free to contact me.
 
firefighter2032 said:
Feel free to use my name / quote for any purpose you wish.

I was skeptical at first, but I also didn't understand the science behind it. Thanks for a great product.

If you need me for any other quotes / testimonials feel free to contact me.
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Sounds good man I will remember that for sure.:bb:
 
nice FF im glad it worked for you. thank you for the review. I love the oratropin kits. we got some non-believers as LMD said. Wish they could read this.
 
I try and go over to the bb.com forum, figure I'll add my 2 cents.


I'm sure they will fry me for whatever I say but you can't deny results, and that's what I have as my proof.

Thanks again IBE
 
firefighter2032 said:
Don't suppose you have the link to the discussion on the product?
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If you are going to comment in there make sure you do so by saying that you posted this at AM on 11-15 and this thread where they are dissing Oratropin was started on 11-21.
 
LMD
I was over lurking on bb when that whole thing broke out. Seemed it went on forvever and ever. Started out with the new product thread (debate?)and went haywire from there.

I have never desired to use this type product (IGF) but I enjoy the RCs from IBE/IR. (although I would make the suggestion that perhaps you guys should ditch the dropper topped bottle and go with an adapter topped bottle with matching oral syringe (something like what Matt over at Custom used to have back in the day). Anyway, don't sweat those BB guys. BK is probably just suffering from cabin fever and is looking to pass the time anyway he can ;)
 
Haven't checked the thread today, but I got flamed pretty quickly after I posted it within a short while.

No biggie...I work as a firefighter and the harrassment I get and give at the hall is small compared to what they can dish out.

Regardless....I'm happy I was introduced to the product.
 
firefighter2032 said:
Haven't checked the thread today, but I got flamed pretty quickly after I posted it within a short while.

No biggie...I work as a firefighter and the harrassment I get and give at the hall is small compared to what they can dish out.

Regardless....I'm happy I was introduced to the product.
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Haha it's cool bro, thanks for supporting the product, I am glad it helped you!

I actually just started some Oratropin yesterday. Lethargy hit me hard today lol.
 
firefighter2032 said:
I got flamed pretty quickly after I posted it within a short while.
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I would hardly call what was posted after your initial post anything close to ''flaming'' - more like, cordial.:) One guy said that he was a bit skeptical as it was your first post as a newly registered user, and rightfully so, but it was hardly a flaming.

Also, as was said, good to hear that it helped you -but your testimony doesn't really answer the questions posed to IBE.

best of luck with your run of IGF and healing your arm!

:D
 
monstermania said:
I would hardly call what was posted after your initial post anything close to ''flaming'' - more like, cordial.:) One guy said that he was a bit skeptical as it was your first post as a newly registered user, and rightfully so, but it was hardly a flaming.

Also, as was said, good to hear that it helped you -but your testimony doesn't really answer the questions posed to IBE.

best of luck with your run of IGF and healing your arm!

:D
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Hmmmm and the fact that you are a newly registered user says the same about you. Welcome to AM.com, since I am sure you are fresh off the boat from bb.com.

People at bb.com called us scam artists saying the delivery system "doesn't work". His testimony DOES in fact do so. Lets not bring this argument over here and if you want to start that in OUR forum then, we will just delete your posts.

That petty arguing that took place at bb.com was not warranted and it was similar to a bunch of moron thugs beating on someone who walked into their neighborhood. We welcome any questions or concerns a customer might have, but when it stoops to that level it is no longer warranted.
 
Hey guys. I just want to start off by saying that I LOVE IBE and their products have always worked, as promised, for me. But Lake, it seems that you're already jumping on the defensive. It's understandable considering how you were treated over there but you're here now, among friends :wave: , and not only wouldn't admin allow any nonsense, none of your supporters would either. Keep doing what you do but you might want to consider not fueling the fire over there and perpetuating it by justifying their crap w/responses. You won't win over there.
 
Bionic said:
Hey guys. I just want to start off by saying that I LOVE IBE and their products have always worked, as promised, for me. But Lake, it seems that you're already jumping on the defensive. It's understandable considering how you were treated over there but you're here now, among friends :wave: , and not only wouldn't admin allow any nonsense, none of your supporters would either. Keep doing what you do but you might want to consider not fueling the fire over there and perpetuating it by justifying their crap w/responses. You won't win over there.
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Tell me about it, which is exactly why I left lol. I am DEFINITELY on the defensive because I have already gotten responses of people saying they are going to start stuff over here ;). I know I have more support over here because people know me and know I have ALWAYS helped people out to the best of my ability.

:bruce1: <----Bionic
 
LakeMountD said:
Hmmmm and the fact that you are a newly registered user says the same about you. Welcome to AM.com, since I am sure you are fresh off the boat from bb.com.
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Thanks for the welcome, but think again, smart guy;) check my registered date...that's right, LAST year. And I was registered with a different name before that one for a while. Just because someone doesn't post, doesn't mean they don't read, lurk, and learn. Please don't stoop to bb.com standards by judging someone by a registered date - even though in this case you are clearly wrong ;)
LakeMountD said:
People at bb.com called us scam artists saying the delivery system "doesn't work". His testimony DOES in fact do so.
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I don't argue about the delivery system - I don't know enough science to intelligently debate it. That said, the argument that was put forth by the more intelligent ''mob'' was never really discussed properly (imo) nor questions reasonably answered - I believe that was the beef. The virology doctor also raised some interesting points of her own.

LakeMountD said:
Lets not bring this argument over here and if you want to start that in OUR forum then, we will just delete your posts.
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I don't plan to, I didn't link anyone to this thread, nor have I made mention of this in any way on bb.com......Don't worry, I know all about am.com and your magical deleting of threads on this board:)
LakeMountD said:
That petty arguing that took place at bb.com was not warranted and it was similar to a bunch of moron thugs beating on someone who walked into their neighborhood. We welcome any questions or concerns a customer might have, but when it stoops to that level it is no longer warranted.
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at the risk of appearing to defend bb.com - I would venture to say that the thuggery took place AFTER several attempts were made to ask intelligent and logical questions - which were met with side-stepping and at one point; I believe, insult....saying people couldn't understand the technology involved? anyway, doesn't matter - the virologist is back and she's putting down some good info. Feel free to join the discussion, if people get outta hand, report them to a mod.

I am honestly and legitimately interested in this product, as are several co-workers. However, when I see things go unanswered or lacking explanation, and then reps from IBE carrying on as they do, well, I have a hard time telling myself and friends to spend their hard earned Christmas money on something. I just like to be sure I trust the company and products I put into my body - you can't fault someone for doing their due diligence.

I hope IBE comes back and addresses all concerns and questions, just remember where you're at, and try to keep your cool this time. Act ABOVE the mob, not LIKE it :)

thanks
 
Doesn't matter if you registered 3 years ago, it obviously shows you don't post here much. I registered at Mind and Muscle 4 years ago but I guarantee no one over there remembers me from then.

The point is, we aren't allowed, BY CONTRACT, to post the studies on the delivery system. Even in my contract with IBE it talks about not mentioning anything about the company that created the delivery system. They don't want their business associated with bodybuilders and peptides to the general public and rightfully so. They have all the studies and everything else that shows proof. I only have limited science on the system, they have the technical specs since they created it.

We can't post that stuff without permission and if they say no then we have to respect it. They did tell me they would create an animation on how the delivery system works but I am not sure when we will get that. I was hoping for this week, but who knows.

You can read other logs but most people love this stuff, including myself. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Don't really know what else to tell you.
 
LakeMountD said:
Doesn't matter if you registered 3 years ago, it obviously shows you don't post here much. I registered at Mind and Muscle 4 years ago but I guarantee no one over there remembers me from then.
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again, just to keep this as bb.com-style free as possible, please stop discussing my registration/posting numbers. Posting threads doesn't matter, is not relevant to this discussion, and doesn't do anything to speak to anyones intelligence on a subject. Thanks.

LakeMountD said:
The point is, we aren't allowed, BY CONTRACT, to post the studies on the delivery system. Even in my contract with IBE it talks about not mentioning anything about the company that created the delivery system. They don't want their business associated with bodybuilders and peptides to the general public and rightfully so. They have all the studies and everything else that shows proof. I only have limited science on the system, they have the technical specs since they created it.

We can't post that stuff without permission and if they say no then we have to respect it. They did tell me they would create an animation on how the delivery system works but I am not sure when we will get that. I was hoping for this week, but who knows.
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Wow, that was easy to explain. Why not just put all that info up the first time the discussion got heated at bb.com? That makes it a little bit easier to understand. Not so hard really, was it? ;)
LakeMountD said:
You can read other logs but most people love this stuff, including myself. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Don't really know what else to tell you.
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I think we all know about logs and their ''grain of salt'' value. I do read the logs though, but being a skeptic by nature, and factoring in the coefficient of internet bias multiplied by the factor of ''free swag''...well, you see where I'm going with that. I do really read them though and see what people write.

I do think the product is interesting, and who knows - maybe I'll buy some and give it a fair review. I just wanna be sure that I'm not putting something in my body that will render me sterile in 90 days or the like, ya know? :D I don't wanna be the guy that for an extra 3 lbs of LBM sacrificed having a healthy life, making babies with his hot wife, etc etc :p
 
Bro, trust me I definitely posted that. You don't understand, the people at bb.com are closet scientists. Every one of them thinks they are a friggin genius. They love to twist words and **** purposely, just to make a company look bad, it is absolutely rediculous.

I don't mean to jump to conclusions on you but you are sounding exactly like they did and I will not tolerate it here and have a short temper because of it. Anyone who knows me here knows I don't have a temper.
 
LakeMountD said:
I don't mean to jump to conclusions on you but you are sounding exactly like they did
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oh c'mon, LMD, give me a break here. I came in civil as could be, only to clear up the ''flaming'' issue and see if I could harvest any more good info regarding the product. I haven't ''jumped your ****'' or mobbed you with stupid questions/accusation or anything close to that.

If what I've done here has set you off in any way, you should get some anger management;) I think I've been pretty decent and fair about it. I've not resorted to any sort of name calling, bashing, word-twisting, or similar activity, merely questioning and researching.

I'm just trying to get all the education on the product that I can so I can make a judgement call on buying this supplement or not.
 
Fair enough then, I apologize. Like I said I am jumpy because of the way things went over there. Even when we posted on their a description of what exactly the delivery system was (which they asked for) they wrote back saying "that doesn't say enough" and then came back pushing for studies instead of simply what it was. Whatever you give them they will want more or something different, it is frustrating.

Not my fault BK is on house arrest for steroid and firearm possession!! Too much damn time on his hands.

But again I apologize and as I said over there I will try to get info from the company but it really is up to them. The reason why they don't understand the delivery system is because they think it is actually oral to where it is absorbed in the stomach, but it isn't, it is absorbed through the thin membranes of the mouth.
 
monstermania said:
cool, thanks


that info helps clarify some things fo'sher
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This is what we posted on bb.com and they still didn't want to listen:

HOW DO THE TROPINS ACTUALLY WORK??
Until now this information has been kept secret because the manufacturer was pending a patent on the delivery system. So you can scratch all the buccal absorption, under the tongue crap that may have been mentioned here or there. This was just a way to try and keep people from falling into the pool of morons that think we are selling peptides that you digest. The tropins work by using peptides to deliver peptides. They utilize special peptides that adhere to the epithelial cells in the mucosa. These peptides are very important because not only do they adhere, they signal the lipid membrane to open protein channels that actually take the peptide into the cell. Once in the epithelial cells the mucosal adhesion peptides are broken off from the peptide we added whether it be IGF, GHRP-6 or whatever. The peptide is now free to be release through the lymphatic system in its biological active form. This means it is carried throughout the blood stream directly from the cells in your mouth. It never reaches any digestive enzymes or acids beyond that of the mucus in your moth which is actually at about the same pH used to store IGF in acetic acid, so claiming that it’s broken down here is ridiculous. The transport of the peptide to the lymphatic system is what results in a slower more controlled release of the peptide over time. So I can anticipate the coming questions of how well this actually works. Well this drug delivery system was actually developed for insulin at first as an alternative means to injection. The company that manufacturers the tropins has achieved almost 100% bioavailability in their clinical trials of insulin delivery. If someone is not getting the results they expect from the tropins user error may be involved. The mucosa cells are mainly in the cheeks so if you are storing it under the tongue, back of the throat, then you are not efficiently using the supplement. Please follow the directions, they are there for a reason. It is not orally taken as in going down the oral cavity. The oral reference is simply because you place it in your mouth.
 
firefighter2032 said:
Haven't checked the thread today, but I got flamed pretty quickly after I posted it within a short while.

No biggie...I work as a firefighter and the harrassment I get and give at the hall is small compared to what they can dish out.

Regardless....I'm happy I was introduced to the product.
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Firefighter:
sorry if you've already explained this, but what gains (besides the pain subsiding) did you receive from using this product? Or were you more aiming towards pain relief so you could start working out intensely again? Please explain if you could.

thanks
 
I am sure firefighter will respond when he gets a chance, but I just wanted to update everyone as I have just started another box of Oratropin as of last week.

Lethargy is definitely here, and it is a telltale sign for me when it comes to LR3 IGF-1. It hits me in spurts but it definitely tells me its there. I also noticed increased pumps and vascularity in the gym, more so than usual as well. This is due to the increase in nitric oxide caused by IGF-1 I assume. HUNGER!! For heavens sake as if I werent hungry enough from being an ecto lol.

Weight isnt up much, but then again it never is on LR3 IGF-1, only slightly.

I have said this before but the gains seen by LR3 IGF-1 are usually seen way down the road. Since it has the possibility of increasing the number of actual muscle cells, instead of merely increasing the amount of myofibrils, you have to allow time for maturation of the newly formed muscle cells. Hypertrophy has to take place for these gains to ultimately be seen.

I noticed from my other 2-3 cycles of LR3 IGF-1 (to repair an injury) that my new body frame is different, I am actually holding steady at a higher bw, more muscular frame than before. Much easier to maintain.

I am interested to see what firefighter has to say as well.
 
Man you guys are REALLY making me want to try this stuff, i intend to just in pct for my upcomming cycle, maybe i'll hold off a bit till i can get another kit.
 
Hi Monster,

My only goal at this point is to get my arm back to the point where I can work out again. As bad as it sounds I benched 85 lbs for the first time yesterday for a set of 10 reps (once upon a time I was putting up 235 for sets of 5). I didn't have any pain in my arm afterwards. But I'm going to go at it very very slowly. I probably won't actually touch the weights (besides my rehab) until the first of the year.

I don't know if the Oratropin has anything to do with it but I am managing to lose some body fat. I couldn't honestly tell you if it's from diet / cardio or a combination of all 3.

But I did manage to run 3 miles straight yesterday on my treadmill. I haven't been able to do that since my freshmen year of high school (I'm currently 30 and pushing 31 sooner than I'd like to admit) My knees feel better than they have in a long time. Today in the wonderful world of Michigan it is cold, wet, and just plain nasty and I have to say I haven't felt any pain in my knees which is highly unusual.

I've tried just about everything for my knees and the only thing different is the Oratropin.

So once again, I have to tip my hat to IBE.
 
firefighter2032 said:
Hi Monster,

My only goal at this point is to get my arm back to the point where I can work out again. As bad as it sounds I benched 85 lbs for the first time yesterday for a set of 10 reps (once upon a time I was putting up 235 for sets of 5). I didn't have any pain in my arm afterwards. But I'm going to go at it very very slowly. I probably won't actually touch the weights (besides my rehab) until the first of the year.

I don't know if the Oratropin has anything to do with it but I am managing to lose some body fat. I couldn't honestly tell you if it's from diet / cardio or a combination of all 3.

But I did manage to run 3 miles straight yesterday on my treadmill. I haven't been able to do that since my freshmen year of high school (I'm currently 30 and pushing 31 sooner than I'd like to admit) My knees feel better than they have in a long time. Today in the wonderful world of Michigan it is cold, wet, and just plain nasty and I have to say I haven't felt any pain in my knees which is highly unusual.

I've tried just about everything for my knees and the only thing different is the Oratropin.

So once again, I have to tip my hat to IBE.
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Remember slow controlled motion on the weights and work your way up in weights slowly, but steadily. The tendons need the slowly increased stress to continue to strengthen.

I have fixed tendons both knees (at seperate times) and tendon injury in elbow using Oratropin. I am absolute hell on tendons because on my highly over active adrenil gland, the amount of muscle I have put on the last three years and my age. My knees have been problems since I damaged them in the 5th grade. Nothing else has every worked this well for me healing tendons. I just finished a major cycle with all my joints and tendons still very happy. I was using half dose (40 mcgs) every 72 hours. An hour after I dosed, my stomach is screaming for food and I usually never have that happen. I normally end up force feeding myself on cycle.

You are not catching me on BB.com. No way. Too much BS for me.
 
Werewolf,
I think IBE definately should throw a discount coupon your way. I have a friend who I just told about IBE and Oratropin. He said he was going to be ordering some soon. So there's two new customers you've given them.

About the only thing I like over at BB.com is the body space. Got to love women posting pics of themselves.

And I completely understand the adrenil gland. Between being a firefighter, paintball, sports and next is going to be skydiving (just have to convince the wife the insurance is paid up).

I've been doing the half doses like you suggested every 3-4 days. I don't seem to have any really bad problems with the hypo, but not complaining since I have that problem.

Here's an odd question though: I'm a chewer (smokeless tobacco), since it causes my gums to become chapped, would that aid or hinder the absorbtion?
 
Jesus, I just read most of that BB thread. I want my 2 hours back...or was it twenty minutes...where am I?

****ing bull**** whiners over there.
 
poison said:
Jesus, I just read most of that BB thread. I want my 2 hours back...or was it twenty minutes...where am I?

****ing bull**** whiners over there.
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Haha thank you! See it took you two hours, but it took us over a week of all that crap!! Now you guys know why I am so jumpy when I get criticized now lol. I don't mean to do it and you guys (most of you) should know me well enough to know I ALWAYS go out of my way to help people and have a good time, but wow has that damn board soured me! Sorry guys ;)
 
I'm telling you, man, that forum could be great, but with all the bickering, in-fighting, and ass-licking going on it's just a joke. Seems like most there have an agenda.

There's companies I don't like. Guess what? I don't buy their **** and I don't post in their forum. I also don't try to **** them, either. Simple.
 
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