Oral kickstart to competition cycle

[Max32]

Well guys, finally hitting up my first show in 5 months (as of next Monday). Working with the right guy, and very excited. Starting off my plan at a natty 237 right now. Anyway, wondering what yall would recommend as far as an oral kickstart. I was thinking low dose DROL and DBOL, as I have heard the combo is better than either alone. However, I do have the original Designer supps bottle of 90 ct SUPERDROL and old alri Max LMG that I could stack to start as well....anyway, lemme know what yall think. Much appreciated gents....

 

[jomi822]

id go with the lose dose drol/dbol combination. ive read a write up on that as well and it would be one hell of a pure mass bulidng combination.

superdrol's gains are nice, but they are pretty, and the vascularity is there also. strike me as more of a low dose pre contest drug.

i dont know a lot about max lmg.

 

[Popa Murph]

If you already have the SD might as well use it. I wouldn't stack it with MLMG though. I've seen numerous logs that use SD as a kick start. I was planning on doing a cycle with and SD kick start back in October but I blew my knee. Once it's better That's probably what I will go with. Mullet has a nice log around here using it for a starter.

Whats the rest of the cycle look like?

 

[Max32]

id go with the lose dose drol/dbol combination. ive read a write up on that as well and it would be one hell of a pure mass bulidng combination.

superdrol's gains are nice, but they are pretty, and the vascularity is there also. strike me as more of a low dose pre contest drug.

i dont know a lot about max lmg.

yeah, the low dose DROL/DBOl combo sounds nice, possibly with low dose adex or femara

I am slightly hesitant to use the superdrol precontest, as it has not been researched for a long enough period of time IMHO...I think it would be better off up front, and the max lmg, which is great for bulking.

 

[Max32]

If you already have the superdrol might as well use it. I wouldn't stack it with MLMG though. I've seen numerous logs that use SD as a kick start. I was planning on doing a cycle with and SD kick start back in October but I blew my knee. Once it's better That's probably what I will go with. Mullet has a nice log around here using it for a starter.

Whats the rest of the cycle look like?

I will be getting with my prep guy this weekend, can't really give any names which I am sure yall can understand. I can tell you what will be involved though:

HgH
T-4
Clen
Aromasin
femara or adex
test en
test prop
oral up front***
EQ
winny
tren ace
mast prop

 

[Popa Murph]

HgH
T-4
Clen
Aromasin
femara or adex
test en
test prop
oral up front***
EQ
winny
tren ace
mast prop

That's a lot of stuff...

I would venture to say it's entirely too much for a first cycle. That's just me though and I'm not competing any time soon.

 

[Tom 185]

id go with the lose dose drol/dbol combination. ive read a write up on that as well and it would be one hell of a pure mass bulidng combination.

superdrol's gains are nice, but they are pretty, and the vascularity is there also. strike me as more of a low dose pre contest drug.

i dont know a lot about max lmg.

I say the exact same thing...50mgAbomb/25mgDbol or 30mgSD/40mgPP combo

 

[Tom 185]

I will be getting with my prep guy this weekend, can't really give any names which I am sure yall can understand. I can tell you what will be involved though:

HgH
T-4
Clen
Aromasin
femara or adex
test en
test prop
oral up front***
EQ
winny
tren ace
mast prop

I dont think this is his first cycle...is it? I sure hope not. If so, thats insane...good luck to you

 

[pistonpump]

DRol DBol is probably the best oral kickstart as far as mass goes. You might gain to much mass tho and not be ready for the show in time so I would only say use that as your choice if it is going to be a long cycle. Im guessing you are going to bulk half and then cut the last portion with the tren, masteron, and winny?

 

[Max32]

That's a lot of stuff...

I would venture to say it's entirely too much for a first cycle. That's just me though and I'm not competing any time soon.

First off, I hope you realize all this will NOT be incorporated at once, lol. 2nd, not my first day at the ballpark. Only thing that will be run throughout is HgH until 14-17 days out...

As far as bulking length, only 4-6 weeks of the 20 I believe...

 

[w8tlifterty]

Hey bro, I've been a lurker here for some time but am a regular over at promuscle.....anyway, I got some insight from the gentlemen that wrote the article about dbol/drol combo and gave it a try this offseason. It was my 5th cycle, so as you can imagine gains are starting to become harder and harder but I really believe this combo helped me break through a platuea. I ran 30mg dbol/50mg drol ed for 4 weeks and have never been stronger (along with 750mg test, 300 mg deca). With this cycle, I got to my goal of 230 @ 11%bf at 5'8.... Give it a shot, but I do caution, if your prone to gyno, take ur anti's....I got two pesky lumps that just wont seem to go away from this cycle and i attribute them to the combo cuz i have never had a problem with test or deca.....
Goodluck with your show bro

 

[neverstop]

hey w8t,

how did you feel while on this cycle? that much drol seems like it would make you feel like ****e....

how was PCT and how was the mass retention?

did you get bloodwork done after, that seems like a hell of a combo i'd be interested in tryin sometime

 

[Popa Murph]

First off, I hope you realize all this will NOT be incorporated at once, lol. 2nd, not my first day at the ballpark. Only thing that will be run throughout is HgH until 14-17 days out...

As far as bulking length, only 4-6 weeks of the 20 I believe...

I didn't figure it would be all at once... That's still 13 compounds to be run in 1 cycle, not to mention ancillaries. That's not my cup of tea. More power to you though guy, just keep it safe!

 

[Max32]

I didn't figure it would be all at once... That's still 13 compounds to be run in 1 cycle, not to mention ancillaries. That's not my cup of tea. More power to you though guy, just keep it safe!

HgH
T-4
Clen
Aromasin
femara or adex
test en
test prop
oral up front***
EQ
winny
tren ace
mast prop

5 ancillaries

6 compounds (2 esters of test)

Thank you for your concern though...

 

[Popa Murph]

HgH
T-4
Clen
Aromasin
femara or adex
test en
test prop
oral up front***
EQ
winny
tren ace
mast prop

5 ancillaries

6 compounds (2 esters of test)

Thank you for your concern though...

Hey I'm not hating on your cycle. By ancillaries I mean NAC, Saw Palmetto, HCG, Hawthorn Berry, Silymarin, Niacin, Policosonol, Celery Seed, Nettle Root, Dutasteride, Spiro, etc. I wouldn't count HGH, T4 and clen as your ancillaries but yes I would count Aromasin, femera, and adex.

SO that is
2 possible orals
2 esters of test
1 thyroid
1 stim/thermo
4 more compounds
1 Growth Hormone

11 different compounds differing esters included

Plus Ancillaries: which I also included in the lose term compound.

2 listed anti estrogens

Total 13 different compounds, that's only if you don't care about liver protection, lipids, your prostate, blood pressure, and your hair falling out. Keep it safe.

 

[Max32]

Hey I'm not hating on your cycle. By ancillaries I mean NAC, Saw Palmetto, HCG, Hawthorn Berry, Silymarin, Niacin, Policosonol, Celery Seed, Nettle Root, Dutasteride, Spiro, etc. I wouldn't count HGH, T4 and clen as your ancillaries but yes I would count Aromasin, femera, and adex.

SO that is
2 possible orals
2 esters of test
1 thyroid
1 stim/thermo
4 more compounds
1 Growth Hormone

11 different compounds differing esters included

Plus Ancillaries: which I also included in the lose term compound.

2 listed anti estrogens

Total 13 different compounds, that's only if you don't care about liver protection, lipids, your prostate, blood pressure, and your hair falling out. Keep it safe.

Could we get back to the topic, you are talking to someone who gets bloodwork done 3x a year, takes cycle support 6+ months a year, on or off, curcumin and liv 52 yr round,along with CoQ10, a partidge and a pear tree:lol:

I honestly do know your concerns though as many do not, and those are the ones that ruin this sport for us...

 

[Popa Murph]

Agreed! Glad to know you have your bases covered though.:cheers:


I've seen lots of impressive SD logs and only 1 or 2 Drol/Dbol logs, and I don't know much of anything about MLMG. There was a thread around here a while back where Bobo mentioned stacking orals and how that might lead to toxic metabolite buildup. I'll see if I can find it. Ever since that thread I've tried not to recommend anyone stack two methylated orals. Hence the recommendation for solo SD for a kick start. I'm almost to the point of not recommending any orals period.

I believe it was glen who posted about the synergy of Dbol and Drol though I'll see if I can find that too.

 

[Popa Murph]

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After reading that drol dbol thread again, it makes me want to try it... :twisted:

 

[Max32]

Agreed! Glad to know you have your bases covered though.:cheers:


I've seen lots of impressive superdrol logs and only 1 or 2 Drol/Dbol logs, and I don't know much of anything about MLMG. There was a thread around here a while back where Bobo mentioned stacking orals and how that might lead to toxic metabolite buildup. I'll see if I can find it. Ever since that thread I've tried not to recommend anyone stack two methylated orals. Hence the recommendation for solo SD for a kick start. I'm almost to the point of not recommending any orals period.

I believe it was glen who posted about the synergy of Dbol and Drol though I'll see if I can find that too.

Yes, it will either be SD alone or dbol with some low dose arimidex...