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opinions on shirts/suits/etc.

WPO only allows 2ply, but I have heard rumors of Big Gene cheating a bit with the ply #. I only wear two ply and that is more than enough for me to handle. I have so much trouble finding the groove and dropping the weight in properly so as not to dump the weight. I still have a ton to learn, but luckilly I train with the best in the world at shirt technique. I would start out with a single ply, get good at that, then switch to a second ply, and then get good at it. The form is so much different for shirted bench and raw bench.
 
Beelzebub said:
lattimer is having problems touching with 900+ right now. rage double X shirt or some ****. he blew another one recently. got a pic of it on MMI kwy. :)
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That just sounds too ridiculous :sick:

900lbs on your chest, and you can't even get it to touch, despite a huge arch? See...this is just where it seems to be "too freggin' much", ya know?

Just imagine the additional force a PLer is given by a shirt that resists 900lbs and the PLer trying to pull the weight to his chest?
 
Beelzebub said:
lattimer is having problems touching with 900+ right now. rage double X shirt or some ****. he blew another one recently. got a pic of it on MMI kwy. :)
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That was in his Inzer Ultimate Denim, which is actually a canvas shirt. I think he might be switching to a RageX though. Mike Wolfe used his RageX for the first time and BLASTED up 855, that shirt is the one everyone is hitting big numbers in.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
That just sounds too ridiculous :sick:

900lbs on your chest, and you can't even get it to touch, despite a huge arch? See...this is just where it seems to be "too freggin' much", ya know?

Just imagine the additional force a PLer is given by a shirt that resists 900lbs and the PLer trying to pull the weight to his chest?
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Latt is the 2nd best shirt technition there is. He benches about 550 raw. I wish I could manipulate a shirt that well.
 
NickW said:
Latt is the 2nd best shirt technition there is. He benches about 550 raw. I wish I could manipulate a shirt that well.
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550 exactly. new PR for him. at least that's the last i read. he keeps a training log over there. and yup, you're right, ultimate denim is the one he blew recently with a 925 bench that had just touched. 905 wouldn't touch at all.

like you said, the rage double X is putting up some big #'s for random ppl.
 
Iam not against lifting shirts and the like, but like kwyck said I feel it would be better with standardization of lifting gear. I used to use a single ply some but became too troublesome since many times I dont have a training partner. Also, I know a couple of guys locally that said they were benching 600+ and squating 800+(SHW) . Funny thing is that at the meets they didnt pass their squat because they couldnt get down far enough and the same guy couldnt get his first lift in on the bench because he couldnt get 315 down to his chest. To me that would be embarsing. They blamed it on politics.
 
Yes, it would be embaressing to miss a weight because you can't touch. You are always supposed to start with a weight that you know will touch and go from there. It really just boils down to the lifter knowing how to use their shirt and making good decisions on lifting attempts.
 
grape ape said:
Iam not against lifting shirts and the like, but like kwyck said I feel it would be better with standardization of lifting gear. I used to use a single ply some but became too troublesome since many times I dont have a training partner. Also, I know a couple of guys locally that said they were benching 600+ and squating 800+(SHW) . Funny thing is that at the meets they didnt pass their squat because they couldnt get down far enough and the same guy couldnt get his first lift in on the bench because he couldnt get 315 down to his chest. To me that would be embarsing. They blamed it on politics.
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IMO, if you have to use a shirt to bench 315...you shouldn't be using a shirt :D
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
IMO, if you have to use a shirt to bench 315...you shouldn't be using a shirt :D
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i'd say 405. then add a single ply for safety. to hell with the rest. but like we discussed earlier, if one guy uses a double rage X, we all have to. pretty shitty. :sad:
 
I didn't start using a shirt until after I did 600 raw, I maxed out too often tore both my pecs, and then decided that it would be prudent to get some protection. Tearing pecs hurts, luckilly it was just the muscles and not an avulsed tendon.
 
NickW said:
I didn't start using a shirt until after I did 600 raw, I maxed out too often tore both my pecs, and then decided that it would be prudent to get some protection. Tearing pecs hurts, luckilly it was just the muscles and not an avulsed tendon.
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pulled (maybe tore) my pec recently (about 3 weeks ago) and it's taking some getting used to. 425 fucked my **** all up. totally my fault though. it was my first day back on flat in over a year and i was going for broke. i got my wish, i broke. :sick:
 
Beelz, is there much bruising in the area of the pec pain? if it was torn there would be sever bruising and swelling.
 
NickW said:
Beelz, is there much bruising in the area of the pec pain? if it was torn there would be sever bruising and swelling.
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no brusing. mild swelling. i was able to do a medium weight workout last week. hitting it again today to see if things have improved. have a slight lump that has formed from the chest into the underarm area. can't see it, but i can feel it. kinda like where there's that connector muscle that runs from the chest to the underarm-shoulder muscle. well, now, i have two connectors to that area. kinda hard to explain.
 
Beelzebub said:
no brusing. mild swelling. i was able to do a medium weight workout last week. hitting it again today to see if things have improved. have a slight lump that has formed from the chest into the underarm area. can't see it, but i can feel it. kinda like where there's that connector muscle that runs from the chest to the underarm-shoulder muscle. well, now, i have two connectors to that area. kinda hard to explain.
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I would say that you just tweaked the tendon at its attachment point, take it easy on the heavy weights. I wouldn't do anything heavier than you did for your last workout.
 
NickW said:
I would say that you just tweaked the tendon at its attachment point, take it easy on the heavy weights. I wouldn't do anything heavier than you did for your last workout.
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sounds about right. think i'll stick to the hammer machines for another week or so before hitting up flat again. hoping GH will assist things as well, about to give that a run for it's money.
 
I would think it would due to the expedited healing and increased tendon strength GH is supposed to provide.
 
NickW said:
I would think it would due to the expedited healing and increased tendon strength GH is supposed to provide.
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yessir. spoke to a national bb'ing competitor in my gym about this. said it worked wonders for a knee injury he had. found a good price. everything kinda fell in place, figured it was a sign to try it. won't hurt to try anyway.
 
I am sure I will be using GH once my joints/tendons start giving me constant trouble. Let me know how well this works out for you, I might start some Hexatropin before the BB4$ to help my nagging pec tendon pain.
 
First off ive never used Illegal Gear/Juice and Im 300lbs,6ft 1",and got 573lbs up on bench a few weeks ago with Fury single ply.
Raw i get around 450lbs on flat bench,but on delcine bench i get over 500lbs.I got 315lbs for 31reps on delcine also.
I have bad shoulders and train on decline alot.
I have alot of pain on flat bench but not on decline.When i use a shirt i have almost NO pain at all.When you start getting that
heavy on bench i think shirts are a good idea so you dont blow out your shoulders.That is of course my opinion.I have never used
a denim or double ply shirt.If you are doing a PL meet its almost a must that u use a shirt to compete with the others using shirts.
I personally am glad that they allow shirts because of my shoulder injuries.
 
MrSkullCrusher said:
First off ive never used Illegal Gear/Juice and Im 300lbs,6ft 1",and got 573lbs up on bench a few weeks ago with Fury single ply.
Raw i get around 450lbs on flat bench,but on delcine bench i get over 500lbs.I got 315lbs for 31reps on delcine also.
I have bad shoulders and train on decline alot.
I have alot of pain on flat bench but not on decline.When i use a shirt i have almost NO pain at all.When you start getting that
heavy on bench i think shirts are a good idea so you dont blow out your shoulders.That is of course my opinion.I have never used
a denim or double ply shirt.If you are doing a PL meet its almost a must that u use a shirt to compete with the others using shirts.
I personally am glad that they allow shirts because of my shoulder injuries.
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thanks for the input bro. yeah, i've come to realize that a single ply is acceptable after a certain weight, just for safety reasons.

does a double ply give even more safety or does that just take it to a point of ridiculousness?
 
Beelzebub said:
sounds about right. think i'll stick to the hammer machines for another week or so before hitting up flat again. hoping GH will assist things as well, about to give that a run for it's money.
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How are those Hammer's working out for ya' brudda? Love those quotes you got!
 
hulagn1971 said:
How are those Hammer's working out for ya' brudda? Love those quotes you got!
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i posted the workout over at MMI. it's getting there. i'm probably around 80%.

hey hul, since you're here now, what's your view on the PL'ing equipment nowadays?
 
Beelzebub said:
thanks for the input bro. yeah, i've come to realize that a single ply is acceptable after a certain weight, just for safety reasons.

does a double ply give even more safety or does that just take it to a point of ridiculousness?
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Never used one so i dont know.:think:
They should either make everyone go RAW (which would suck for me) or use single ply or just let EVERYTHING go!Start Having guys wrap their elbows (with knee wraps) and Maybe even Full body wraps!!LOL!!!:toofunny:
Ive only entered tested meets that only allow single ply.
 
MrSkullCrusher said:
Never used one so i dont know.:think:
They should either make everyone go RAW (which would suck for me) or use single ply or just let EVERYTHING go!Start Having guys wrap their elbows (with knee wraps) and Maybe even Full body wraps!!LOL!!!:toofunny:
Ive only entered tested meets that only allow single ply.
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are there generally enough competitors to divide it up that much? yeah, it would be great if it could be divided up into RAW, singleply, double ply, anything goes divisions, but it'd probably end up with about 1-2 competitors in each class. at least it'd be more of a level playing field though.
 
I hated using my shirt/suit when I lifted, but when i was lifting i am glad for the support i had, yes it was a bitch to get into, did it help me throw up more weight....I dont think so.....But i felt secure....hard not to when I had those things on:) LOL
 
My first shirt was a standard blast shirt from Inzer. Damn thing was like a condom too small. Went back to raw for about a year before meeting the Nazbar and Metal Militia crew. Have been through a Karin's DD, Inzer Blue DD radical, Inzer Black DD w/scooped neck, and Rage X. I now use an Inzer double Phenom and love it. My raw max is 225 (I'm sure higher than that as I have not gone max raw in over a year due to a torn rotator cuff) and I get 365 so far in the Phenom with more to boot as I work on handling the heavier weight progressively. I've got a Titan F6 on the way and anxious to try it. Been training with Lattimer and his guy Barbaccio on occasion and I am amazed at what Barbaccio can get out of his F6 (250lbs carryover). I'll admit, I'm a gear whore...this stuff is like new toys at Xmas when they come in and I am all excited to suit up and bench on Saturdays with the crew.


Comparing raw to shirted benching for competition is like apples to oranges. So I have no particular opinion when making a comparison. There are federations out there to satisfy all the flavors of competition (raw, single ply, double ply, etc) and even oddball meets with no affiliations that have benching comps that allow touch-n-go with elbow wraps. I choose APF because I enjoy the friendships I have with the athletes in it, as well as the competition. I compete shirted single/double, whatever shirt works for me because it would be pointless for me to do raw competition with a torn rotator cuff. My shirts protect my shoulders and allow me to still bench heavy and enjoy the sport. Choose your flavor and have fun.

BTW, good luck at the BB4$ NickW...we'll be there too, my fiance is competing in the HWT's. :D
 
good luck with it bro. i think i'll be trying out a single ply in the near future. starting to like this PL'ing thing.
 
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