Opinions on PHYTOHEALTH CONQURIUM

Guyz, I predict one of two scenarios. Note that in both scenarios, 'Phenomenal" does absolutey nothing to aid hormonal recovery.

1) You recover just fine all on your own self. This is quite possible. And the whole "recovery" thing will be based on te feelz, cos no-one gets bloodz to confirm things are on the up. Conclusion: Phenomenal is a great PCT cos it helped me recover from a harsh cycle.

2) You dont recover, freak out and end up getting a pharma SERM. Dumb Phenomenal!

Note the 2 main ingredients in Phenomenal are a purported AI, and a 'phyto-serm'. Do we really need an AI in PCT? Maybe it might help. But this would tend to be in a scenario where elevated e2 is an issue, possibly due to TT being amped the fuk up real quick and excessive aromatisation occuring. But how likely is this with Phenomenal?

The only thing that will amp the fuk outta TT in Phenomenal is the phyto-serm. Interestingly, the ad-copy claims this phyto-serm will suppress e2. Hmmm, so you have two ingredients in your PCT suppressing e2. If you take 2 caps of Phenomenal, thats 20mg of the phyto-serm. That puts it at least on par with a pharma SERM like clomid or nolva, in terms of dose-potency mg-for-mg. Should we really believe this bullsh1t?

Crucial missing ingredients: something to get LH and FSH cranking!

Without studies and data and objective evidence Im skeptical as fuk and believe that if you wish to throw caution to the wind and gamble with an OTC PCT product, youd be better off choosing something from one of the sponsors here. Phenomenal looks nothing more than a gimmick to me.
 
I mean, there are good OTC supplements that help with PCT for sure but I wouldn't bank on any of them to do amazing things in terms of speedy recovery. The best stuff I ever used for PCT that was OTC was Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 stack. It worked but took 3 weeks to do something good, granted, I also took a much harsher oral than Halodrol. I took pro-dienolone.

Anyways,
There are other things that help I suppose- here are a few that come to mind:

Taurine during cycle to prevent testicular oxidative damage. This is the primary outcome of steroids "shutting down" the testicles. Taurine reduces the harshness and potency of the "shutdown" by reducing this oxidative damage.

L-Dopa helps keep your dopamine levels from crashing after you come down off the highness of a good steroid. Less is more on this one. You don't need tons.

Full spectrum of tocopherols and tocophenols like the old Toco-8 or the new Palm Fruit replacement.

Melatonin boost LH function somewhat. Less is more in this case so taking 1mg at night will work.

L-Carnitine Tartrate boosts testosterone receptor density as well as increases capacity for fat burning through the shuttle mechanism, so it also could have a place. The neat thing for guys that pin is that you can combine an intramuscular preparation L-Carnitine with an MCT based SEO and get maximal effects when injected into muscles that you worked hard to build up during cycle. The MCT alone increases tesosterone receptor sensitivity by 240%, (which is how SEO's make your muscles bigger - NOT by the oil volume itself). Combine testosterone receptor density with ultra high sensitivity and you have a very potent combination.

Fish oils with heavy amounts of DHA (about 1000mg/day) will help regulate estrogen and keep you from getting a swing during PCT.

Zinc and really ZMA will do wonders for sperm/testicular production. Probably 200-300mg per day of zinc during meals.

And finally, any concoction of PCT products out there that have all the basic T-boosters that we've come to expect in PCT products, namely things like iicarin, tribulus, DAA, Fenugreek, etc.

Truth be told though, a real, effective PCT is gonna be:

Clomid @ 25-50mg per day
HCG @ 2000-5000iu first week only
Aromasin @ 12.5mg/day
CJC - 1295 @ 2mg/wk
Ghrp/ipa 2-3 times per day

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That ^^^ would gove you continued gains and a seamless transition. It's almost as easy and safe to get those products as it is to buy all that OTC stuff and the results are usually 100% better.
 
Great thread I also was looking into Conqurium. Any updates?

Also wanted to get people's options on OTC Halodrol (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol) versus an 1-andro (1-androstene-3b-ol-17-one) products. Any recommendations?
 
GAINZFORDAYZ said:
Great thread I also was looking into Conqurium. Any updates?

Also wanted to get people's options on OTC Halodrol (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol) versus an 1-andro (1-androstene-3b-ol-17-one) products. Any recommendations?
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Halo is the PH to Turinabol. It is methylated and stronger mg per mg than 1 andro which is a 2-step ph to 1-Testosterone.
 
GAINZFORDAYZ said:
Good to know thanks. Methylated products stress the liver more correct, and does turinabol easily convert to estrogen?
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No, but like all steroids, the interactions are more complicated than just whether or not it directly converts to estrogen. Most steroids that don't convert usually end up increasing the sensitivity of estrogen receptors one way or another, almost leaving the user feeling like it has converted. Masteron comes to mind...

Plus, there are a host of hormones that people swear by the text book theory that it doesn't convert, but the end result is HIGHER estrogen levels either during or after the cycle. A few are:

Halodrol (rarely people have issues with estrogen though)

Any 19-nor, like Dienolone, causes an increase in estrogen because it is has a strong affinity to the progesterone receptor, which increases estrogen sensitivity greatly

Superdrol (I have no idea why but people always complained about gyno and/or rebound gyno)

and I'm sure there are others that elude the scientific community as to why their anecdotes don't match the study of these hormones in the lab environment. I'm old school so I only know about the ones that used to be legal. These new pro-hormones are actually pro-hormones...I bet we'd never had all these bans if the supplement companies just kept their mouths shut and sold the pro-steroids and steroids behind the counter and over private email sales. We wouldn't have had this issue of wishing there were good anabolics available OTC anymore...

You should also know that methylated steroids do a lot more than just increase liver enzymes. When those enzymes increase, your ability to break down and utilize food properly greatly diminishes. Consider it for what it is worth - staying healthy sometimes yields better results over the long term than increasing your anabolic activity at the expense of overall metabolic health.
 
fueledpassion said:
No, but like all steroids, the interactions are more complicated than just whether or not it directly converts to estrogen. Most steroids that don't convert usually end up increasing the sensitivity of estrogen receptors one way or another, almost leaving the user feeling like it has converted.
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Deca? Some people claim it aromatises, but the studies Ive read suggest no; rather, it upregulates aromatase expression. At the end of the day prolly not a major difference, but I guess if true then you could adopt different strategies to deal with it (ie not limited to just AI remedies).
 
going for a round 2 ? You must have really liked it. Glad it worked for you! Did the phenomenol do the trick as pct? Still debating if I should grab a serm
 
SwoleMax said:
NOPE . I just now found a company selling it . But seems very shady . I swear this isn't even a company , it's ONE guy who created a website of a different name and has totally copied their bottles and even claiming to be selling Tamoxifen on this website and M- 1 Alpha with a mg of Arimidex in it . Lol . I only found it because I just came across some guy on Ebay selling the products and decided to research the product. He's probably selling them because they don't anything .
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Well, if you're tallking about Phytohealth, it is Halodrol
A steroid. And would require a SERM PCT.
 
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