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Opinions on Mild Cutting/Recomp Stack

ka0tik

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Hey guys, been getting back into training after a long injury (back issue-10 months). Wondering opinions on stack, try to stay away from too many stims as I drink plenty of caffeine and take a fair amount of b12.

Currently been taking for 2 weeks (planning on 8 weeks):
PES Erase Pro
DAA
USPlabs Supercissus (for joints - been having some discomfort, i think it makes me fart too)

Thinking about adding in:
Lipomorph
Forskolin-95


Opinions?

Suggestions?

Also thinking about some natty to bridge (4 weeks after finishing PES Erase Pro) until I go to my Hdrol cycle.
 
ka0tik said:
Hey guys, been getting back into training after a long injury (back issue-10 months). Wondering opinions on stack, try to stay away from too many stims as I drink plenty of caffeine and take a fair amount of b12.

Currently been taking for 2 weeks (planning on 8 weeks):
PES Erase Pro
DAA
USPlabs Supercissus (for joints - been having some discomfort, i think it makes me fart too)

Thinking about adding in:
Lipomorph
Forskolin-95


Opinions?

Suggestions?

Also thinking about some natty to bridge (4 weeks after finishing PES Erase Pro) until I go to my Hdrol cycle.
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Add in the F95, but drop the lipo(save it for a cut).
For a re-comp I would go with an -epi based product which should help you build some lean mass. I noticed a leaning out effect when I ran one. Olympus Labs Epic or follidrone are products with just -epi. Myosynergy and Magnitropin are formulas with -epi and some other goodies. Considering you are already running Epro and DAA I would go with Epic.
 
GNO said:
Add in the F95, but drop the lipo(save it for a cut).
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He is asking about a mild cut :) so it would be fine
50-100mg F95 is good
SuperCissus = Great joint product and erase pro is good too
DAA your choice.. totally not necessary
If you are more inclined for a cut i would consider adding in Yohimbine upon waking starting at 2.5mg Yohimbine and working up to .2kg/bw
 
Truthfully i think adding on some anabeta elite or follidrone by BLR would be a great addition for leaning out and adding alittle muscle.
 
I would def add in some f95. You ca checkout orbitnutrition.com - there is a couple different f95 products :)
 
GNO said:
Add in the F95, but drop the lipo(save it for a cut).
For a re-comp I would go with an -epi based product which should help you build some lean mass. I noticed a leaning out effect when I ran one. Olympus Labs Epic or follidrone are products with just -epi. Myosynergy and Magnitropin are formulas with -epi and some other goodies. Considering you are already running Epro and DAA I would go with Epic.
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Ok adding in f95

will save lipomorph for after erase

So epi the prohormone or epi from chocolate? does Epicatechin really work. there are such mixed reviews
 
The Solution said:
He is asking about a mild cut :) so it would be fine
50-100mg F95 is good
SuperCissus = Great joint product and erase pro is good too
DAA your choice.. totally not necessary
If you are more inclined for a cut i would consider adding in Yohimbine upon waking starting at 2.5mg Yohimbine and working up to .2kg/bw
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I think I might drop the DAA then and save it for after H-drol. Its 4 pills to take and powder tastes like ****

Erase Pro is really making my joints hurt. Any advice for protecting them more?

Does yohimbine have a stim effect? I just dont want too much stim. I know its a nice thermo, never taken it as a standalone. Only really took it in lipo-6 back in the day.

Also a lil worried on yohimbine and booze intake. I dont drink that much but I think they dont mix well when I choose to have a couple. Thats also why I dont take creatine that often.

My mom gave me a bottle of NT factor with b-complex. Its def more than just a multi. After adding in my cup of coffee im sweating pretty good off 2 of them. What do you think about it?


Serving Size 5 tablets
Servings per container 30
Amount per serving:
Vitamin E (d-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate) 47 IU
Vitamin B1 (as Thiamine HCl) 3.7 mg
Vitamin B2 (as Riboflavin) 4 mg
Niacin (as Niacinamide) 99 mg
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl) 10 mg
Folate (as Folic Acid) 800 μg
Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin) 1 mg
Biotin 750 μg
Pantothenic Acid (as d-Calcium Pantothenate) 25 mg
Calcium (as d-Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Pyruvate) 398 mg
Phosphorus (as Dicalcium Phosphate) 102 mg
Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide) 123 mg
Alpha-Ketoglutaric acid 300 mg
Carnipure® L-Carnitine (as L-Carnitine L-tartrate) 225 mg
L-Tyrosine 150 mg
NT Factor® Blend proprietary formula
containing: 4 g
Inulin, rice bran extract, NT Factor® EnergyLipids (soy), OptiMSM® methylsulfonylmethane, FOS, bromelain, PABA, pantethine, inositol, L-arginine, L-glycine, taurine, alpha lipoic acid, odor-modified garlic, spirulina, leeks stem powder, beet root fiber, B. bifidum, L. acidophilus, blackstrap molasses, sodium borate.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Truthfully i think adding on some anabeta elite or follidrone by BLR would be a great addition for leaning out and adding alittle muscle.
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so is follidrone more of something for a pump? Like with other nitric oxide supps. You get some minor gains but lots of appearance when on it

not trying to add too much muscle. im big enough imo for my frame, maybe down to add a few pounds but thats about it. just want to mainly get back on track to where i was 10 months ago
 
ka0tik said:
I think I might drop the DAA then and save it for after H-drol. Its 4 pills to take and powder tastes like ****

Erase Pro is really making my joints hurt. Any advice for protecting them more?

Does yohimbine have a stim effect? I just dont want too much stim. I know its a nice thermo, never taken it as a standalone. Only really took it in lipo-6 back in the day.

Also a lil worried on yohimbine and booze intake. I dont drink that much but I think they dont mix well when I choose to have a couple. Thats also why I dont take creatine that often.

My mom gave me a bottle of NT factor with b-complex. Its def more than just a multi. After adding in my cup of coffee im sweating pretty good off 2 of them. What do you think about it?


Serving Size5 tablets
Servings per container30
Amount per serving:
Vitamin E (d-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate)47 IU
Vitamin B1 (as Thiamine HCl)3.7 mg
Vitamin B2 (as Riboflavin)4 mg
Niacin (as Niacinamide)99 mg
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl)10 mg
Folate (as Folic Acid)800 μg
Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin)1 mg
Biotin750 μg
Pantothenic Acid (as d-Calcium Pantothenate)25 mg
Calcium (as d-Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Pyruvate)398 mg
Phosphorus (as Dicalcium Phosphate)102 mg
Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide)123 mg
Alpha-Ketoglutaric acid300 mg
Carnipure® L-Carnitine (as L-Carnitine L-tartrate)225 mg
L-Tyrosine150 mg
NT Factor® Blend proprietary formula
containing:4 g
Inulin, rice bran extract, NT Factor® EnergyLipids (soy), OptiMSM® methylsulfonylmethane, FOS, bromelain, PABA, pantethine, inositol, L-arginine, L-glycine, taurine, alpha lipoic acid, odor-modified garlic, spirulina, leeks stem powder, beet root fiber, B. bifidum, L. acidophilus, blackstrap molasses, sodium borate.
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For your joints, cissus + fish oil should help elevate the soreness/stiffness.

Yohimbe does have a slight stim effect.

And if you're worried about alcohol and supplement use, dose your supplements away from alcohol consumption.
 
ka0tik said:
I think I might drop the DAA then and save it for after H-drol. Its 4 pills to take and powder tastes like ****

Erase Pro is really making my joints hurt. Any advice for protecting them more?

Does yohimbine have a stim effect? I just dont want too much stim. I know its a nice thermo, never taken it as a standalone. Only really took it in lipo-6 back in the day.

Also a lil worried on yohimbine and booze intake. I dont drink that much but I think they dont mix well when I choose to have a couple. Thats also why I dont take creatine that often.
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If you are going to drink do not dose Y the next morning which may be pretty bad

F95 + Y would be your best bet on your cut
Erase Pro you can stack upon waking. I never had any bad joint issues when taking it, just make sure your taking in 2-3g EPA/DHA of fishoil and the super cissus should aid that as well.
 
The Solution said:
If you are going to drink do not dose Y the next morning which may be pretty bad

F95 + Y would be your best bet on your cut
Erase Pro you can stack upon waking. I never had any bad joint issues when taking it, just make sure your taking in 2-3g EPA/DHA of fishoil and the super cissus should aid that as well.
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How's the stim effect it on yohimbine on its own?
Quality can be an issue. Do you recommend a brand?
 
Grab a bottle of ErgoNine with free Analyzed Supplements F95 while you still can for an awesome deal! Both products will help you with your goals of cutting/recomp
 
Quads_of_Stee said:
Grab a bottle of ErgoNine with free Analyzed Supplements F95 while you still can for an awesome deal! Both products will help you with your goals of cutting/recomp
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If it's still available, this is a great suggestion! I would add in Forskolin-95 for sure, but if you can get it with the Ergonine, that's a huge bonus.
 
ka0tik said:
How's the stim effect it on yohimbine on its own?
Quality can be an issue. Do you recommend a brand?
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Primaforce Yohimbine , some feel jitters as a side effect i have not that is why Alpha Y may be a safer alternative.
or use something alpha Y like Alpha T2 if you can find it on DC (since its being reformulated)
 
ka0tik said:
How's the stim effect it on yohimbine on its own?
Quality can be an issue. Do you recommend a brand?
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Analyzed Supplements Target-A2 if you find you react badly to Y-HCL.
 
ka0tik said:
How's the stim effect it on yohimbine on its own?
Quality can be an issue. Do you recommend a brand?
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The yohimbine can give the jitters and make one feel anxious if you dose it too high. Its definitely one to work up to.

I suggest either grabbing SNS yohimbine 2.5 (cheaper than primaforce by a long shot at NP- SNS is $9 for 100 caps, primaforce is 10 for 50 caps) and starting low or grabbing a non stim fat burning ingredients like Green coffee bean extract and making your own.

Target A2 is good as well
 
kbayne said:
Analyzed Supplements Target-A2 if you find you react badly to Y-HCL.
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I'm running Forskolin and Target-A2 at the moment. It's a good combination but I do get a bit of jitters when I take it first thing in the morning and then drink coffee on an empty stomach. I know it's not the coffee alone as i've been drinking that for almost 30 years now and I drink too much of it. I know how I react to coffee. I just cut my coffee intake in the morning now until after i've eaten and all is well.
 
drop the DAA, That ****s the worse. I know about all the research and backing on that crap. But for check out all the negitive crap on it, its a terrible supplement and for a small group of us, it just doesn’t play well with or system.
 
Chrisehyoung said:
I'm running Forskolin and Target-A2 at the moment. It's a good combination but I do get a bit of jitters when I take it first thing in the morning and then drink coffee on an empty stomach. I know it's not the coffee alone as i've been drinking that for almost 30 years now and I drink too much of it. I know how I react to coffee. I just cut my coffee intake in the morning now until after i've eaten and all is well.
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One cap of Target-A2 or two?
 
kbayne said:
One cap of Target-A2 or two?
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Just one right now. I'm taking one F95 and one A2 first thing in the morning and another of each before my noon sports.
 
Jiigzz said:
The yohimbine can give the jitters and make one feel anxious if you dose it too high. Its definitely one to work up to.

I suggest either grabbing SNS yohimbine 2.5 (cheaper than primaforce by a long shot at NP- SNS is $9 for 100 caps, primaforce is 10 for 50 caps) and starting low or grabbing a non stim fat burning ingredients like Green coffee bean extract and making your own.

Target A2 is good as well
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Doesn't green coffee bean have tons of caffeine? This is the first I've heard as it being non stim
 
If you are looking for Cissus, Cissus XT is a great value. The 5% ketosterone extract is great for joint support. Also, the price has recently come down as well.

It's only $19.99 on Nutraplanet :)
 
Actually it does contain some caffeine. Burn24, for instance, states 1mg per cap but that of course is trivial.
 
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