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Opinions about 1-androstenolone cycle

azoubel

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Hi everyone,
I'm 23 years old 165 pounds and have been training for 5 years(unfortunately with some stop during this period for study reasons). I am started at phs earlier than I should and I have run some products like M drol, epistane and halovar. As an ectomorph I have dificulty to gain wheight however I am a very lean guy(my BF never was high than 8%). I always be an athlete(play tennis for more than 10 years) and all my life I had a dietitian support(my diet: 3600cal/day with 60%carbs, 30%protein and 10% fat). Now, I am looking for some product that will give me good lean gains with the less side effects possible(I will not take the risk to get gyno because I have some tendency), my priority in this cycle is to associate these two aspects but of course that more wheight better. I was searching about phs and I found 1-androstenolone by LG Sciences, seems like this product is a really good option for my goals however I want some opinions of you guys. Do you think that only 1-androstenolone can give me good results in 6 weeks(this is my plan) or should I extend it for 8 weeks considering that I have some experience with prohormones? I was wondering about stack with Epistane that I really enjoyed when I run it in the past but I am a little bit afraid about side effects when they are stacked, what do you think? I want your opinions guys but please consider that I am looking for a cycle that associate less side effects with good gains. I am totally open to know your opinions and improve my cycle. I appreciate so much your help!
 
You mean as an Ectomorph? I was the skinny growing up too, and it turned out I wasn't eating enough, even though I thought I was cramming 4,000 calories down my throat. I started tracking my calories very diligently and now understand I wasn't truly eating enough. The other side is: how intense is your training? What are you doing for your a current program? You need to make sure your diet and training are on the right track before going the ph route again.
 
the LG stuff is mediocre at best... not muhc to be gained there. If you've already run heavier stuff (which you have) youll be seriously disappointed. My suggestion is to look into some of the Primeval Labs ph's taht have come out. Theyve been getting great reviews and can fit any goal depending which you choose. We've even got some sales going on for them at PHW Supplements too.
 
LG has actually just incorporated a new delivery system that should really change the results of their products dramatically! They are now using Cyclosome...

The Cyclosome delivery encases the hormone in a lipid membrane that prevents it from being broken down by the stomach. When the stomach is unable to break down the lipid it sends it to the liver, where it is allowed to pass unmodified. This lipid layer is time released, so it allows the hormone to go directly to the blood stream unaltered which then allows it to begin binding to androgen receptors, aka time to grow.
 
mountainman33 said:
You mean as an Ectomorph? I was the skinny growing up too, and it turned out I wasn't eating enough, even though I thought I was cramming 4,000 calories down my throat. I started tracking my calories very diligently and now understand I wasn't truly eating enough. The other side is: how intense is your training? What are you doing for your a current program? You need to make sure your diet and training are on the right track before going the ph route again.
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Yes, I mean ectomorph, my mistake. I see your point and during all my life I had never track my calories. I just followed the dietitian plan. But a few weeks ago I started to use an app to track my calories and is really efficient. I already can feel the difference. Like I said before, everyday I eat at minimum 3600 calories I don´t worry if I eat more than that, I think will not make difference because my BF is very low. In relation to my train, I try to train hard and use a lot of variations like dropsets and progression of weights to make my train more intense and less long(to avoid catabolism during the train). I am training one group of muscles a day and I train 2 days and take one day off. I really believe that the train is not a problem. I always try to make more intense and less long. Do you have any opinion about 1-androstenolone?
 
booneman77 said:
the LG stuff is mediocre at best... not muhc to be gained there. If you've already run heavier stuff (which you have) youll be seriously disappointed. My suggestion is to look into some of the Primeval Labs ph's taht have come out. Theyve been getting great reviews and can fit any goal depending which you choose. We've even got some sales going on for them at PHW Supplements too.
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Man, I had some good references about this product but your opinion is always welcome. Actually I know there is some phs really goods and effective available on the market but usually more strong more side effects, this is my concern. When I have used heavier stuffs unfortunatelly I was too young to care about this side effects and I started to have some problem with gyno. Now, I am looking for something that associate good gains with less side effects. I don't want to take the risk of gyno again. Based in this, what do you recommend?
 
azoubel said:
Man, I had some good references about this product but your opinion is always welcome. Actually I know there is some phs really goods and effective available on the market but usually more strong more side effects, this is my concern. When I have used heavier stuffs unfortunatelly I was too young to care about this side effects and I started to have some problem with gyno. Now, I am looking for something that associate good gains with less side effects. I don't want to take the risk of gyno again. Based in this, what do you recommend?
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If it's gyno that you're worried about, simply find something that doesn't aromatize. Dmz, msten, epistane, etc. all great choices.
 
azoubel said:
In relation to my train, I try to train hard and use a lot of variations like dropsets and progression of weights to make my train more intense and less long(to avoid catabolism during the train). I am training one group of muscles a day and I train 2 days and take one day off. I really believe that the train is not a problem. I always try to make more intense and less long. Do you have any opinion about 1-androstenolone?
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Reduce your variations. Too much is counter productive. And if you're worried about training TOO LONG there's an issue. Catabolism isn't really an issue unless you're working out like 2.5-3 hours at a time. And I've gone 3 weeks straight without a rest day many times. You want to keep growing, keep stimulating with the right volume and exercise selection, as well as plenty of food. You need to get those right before you add in chemical enhancement. Try this split for 6 months and see what happens:

Quads/calves
Chest/delts
Hams/calves
Lats/traps
Repeat
 
love2liftkat said:
LG has actually just incorporated a new delivery system that should really change the results of their products dramatically! They are now using Cyclosome...

The Cyclosome delivery encases the hormone in a lipid membrane that prevents it from being broken down by the stomach. When the stomach is unable to break down the lipid it sends it to the liver, where it is allowed to pass unmodified. This lipid layer is time released, so it allows the hormone to go directly to the blood stream unaltered which then allows it to begin binding to androgen receptors, aka time to grow.
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Have you try this product? I don´t have found any reviews with only 1-androstenolone... I am excited to try this product but a little bit afraid that just the 1-androstenolone isn´t enough for good gains. I was wondering to stack with some epi... which I tried in the past and enjoyed...
 
azoubel said:
Have you try this product? I don´t have found any reviews with only 1-androstenolone... I am excited to try this product but a little bit afraid that just the 1-androstenolone isn´t enough for good gains. I was wondering to stack with some epi... which I tried in the past and enjoyed...
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I have not personally because I am a woman but VaughnTrue and NurseGray might be able to vouch for them personally. There are several members on here that have used and enjoyed LG's products for years and this new delivery system makes the products that much better while keeping the safety that they're known for!
 
love2liftkat said:
I have not personally because I am a woman but VaughnTrue and NurseGray might be able to vouch for them personally. There are several members on here that have used and enjoyed LG's products for years and this new delivery system makes the products that much better while keeping the safety that they're known for!
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In most cases I would agree with you. However one compound can still utilize very good gains if dosed properly while maintaining proper diet and training. The new delivery system is far superior to our previous delivery system. In short. As close to injection strength to date with the best absorption rate. Meaning the same compound with this delivery system even if taken at the same dose compared to our old line. You should still see better gains. If you utilized a max dose of this new stuff. It should be plenty to get you what you want.
 
NurseGray said:
In most cases I would agree with you. However one compound can still utilize very good gains if dosed properly while maintaining proper diet and training. The new delivery system is far superior to our previous delivery system. In short. As close to injection strength to date with the best absorption rate. Meaning the same compound with this delivery system even if taken at the same dose compared to our old line. You should still see better gains. If you utilized a max dose of this new stuff. It should be plenty to get you what you want.
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injection strength of what? no one injects 1-andro...
 
booneman77 said:
injection strength of what? no one injects 1-andro...
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Injection based test buddy. 1-Andro converts to 1-test. Which is roughly 2x androgenic and 7x more anabolic than injectable test. However due to absorption issues and what not with the past methods you haven't been able to gain all of the benefits. Not to mention the half life comparison between injection and oral. Now it is as close as we can get.
 
NurseGray said:
Injection based test buddy. 1-Andro converts to 1-test. Which is roughly 2x androgenic and 7x more anabolic than injectable test. However due to absorption issues and what not with the past methods you haven't been able to gain all of the benefits. Not to mention the half life comparison between injection and oral. Now it is as close as we can get.
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Yeah... Saying that any form of 1andro is gonna be as good (or better as you said) as injectable test is just silly. Sorry man, but that's a load of crap. The conversion rate will never be good enough to outdo a pure hormone
 
booneman77 said:
Yeah... Saying that any form of 1andro is gonna be as good (or better as you said) as injectable test is just silly. Sorry man, but that's a load of crap. The conversion rate will never be good enough to outdo a pure hormone
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I'll just let the products speak for themselves
 
booneman77 said:
Yeah... Saying that any form of 1andro is gonna be as good (or better as you said) as injectable test is just silly. Sorry man, but that's a load of crap. The conversion rate will never be good enough to outdo a pure hormone
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Bahahaha! Yesterday it was as strong as 1 ad and now it's as strong as IM test?! Those comparisons worked out great for other companies like primordial...
 
A lot of divergent opinions here... I think the only way to make sure if this product really works is trying it! Next week I will start my cycle and I am pretending to run 2 bottles in the first 4 weeks(maximum dosage 4 servings per day), however I will be aware to extend the cycle for more 4 weeks depending on the results of the product. On the one hand I am a little bit concerned about the dosage of the product but I already bought so the only way is trying it, on the other hand I saw a lot of people giving their opinions about the product(like I said opinions are always welcome) but I couldn't find anyone that tried 1-androstenolone. I hope I not get disappointed and on the final of the cycle I will post my opinion about the product here.
 
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