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On PH now - Want to go to DBOL

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amj8858 said:
Instead of taking **** why don't you give this guy your expert advise??
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He actually is the expert.. And it's N o l v a d e x and c l o m i d..
 
amj8858 said:
Bro you won't regret it, however make sure you have all the right things before doing dbol. Dbol is very toxic to the liver so you better have aremidex, and either novladex, or climid. Take the armidex with the dbol at the same time. Good luck
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What does adex have to do with liver support? 0.o
 
amj8858 said:
Instead of taking **** why don't you give this guy your expert advise??
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There are plenty of very informed and knowledgeable individuals on here, it just makes it twice as hard to inform people after they have been told the wrong method by 3 different people such as yourself. .02
 
^^ Yeah sorry about that, don't know the difference between 1 and 4 Andro, I don't use PH's should've kept my mouth shut :X
 
Caldwood said:
There are plenty of very informed and knowledgeable individuals on here, it just makes it twice as hard to inform people after they have been told the wrong method by 3 different people such as yourself. .02
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exactly. And when you get cocky arrogant insulting message board guru posting. the fan boys start getting on his wagon and they don't know weather he is full of **** or not but he's got lots of board rep so he must know.
 
David Dunn said:
exactly. And when you get cocky arrogant insulting message board guru posting. the fan boys start getting on his wagon and they don't know weather he is full of **** or not but he's got lots of board rep so he must know.
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I'm on a lot of cold medicine, can you please explain who the morons are.. Or the xxxxxx's as you so delicately put it :D
 
I agree nolvadex, climid are not liver cleansers. NAC and milk thistle are. I apologize if I didn't give the right information and will take caution to what I say in the future. The only reason I say take Arimidex while on dbol is to Prevent gynecomastia while on the stuff. And I also suggested that you be on either milk thistle or nac while on it too. NAC is said to be better than milk thusly but has side affect Milk thistle don't. Again sorry guys.
 
amj8858 said:
I agree nolvadex, climid are not liver cleansers. NAC and milk thistle are. I apologize if I didn't give the right information and will take caution to what I say in the future. The only reason I say take Arimidex while on dbol is to Prevent gynecomastia while on the stuff. And I also suggested that you be on either milk thistle or nac while on it too. NAC is said to be better than milk thusly but has side affect Milk thistle don't. Again sorry guys.
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Tudca > all
 
amj8858 said:
I agree nolvadex, climid are not liver cleansers. NAC and milk thistle are. I apologize if I didn't give the right information and will take caution to what I say in the future. The only reason I say take Arimidex while on dbol is to Prevent gynecomastia while on the stuff. And I also suggested that you be on either milk thistle or nac while on it too. NAC is said to be better than milk thusly but has side affect Milk thistle don't. Again sorry guys.
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Eh meh gurd he actually said NAC, some actual advice from the expert. It's as if he just googled something..... you didn't suggest it before. NAC doesn't have any sides, I've taken 1200mg a day and been fine. Gynecomastia is sure a big word.
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Eh meh gurd he actually said NAC, some actual advice from the expert. It's as if he just googled something..... you didn't suggest it before. NAC doesn't have any sides, I've taken 1200mg a day and been fine. Gynecomastia is sure a big word.
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Yes I did maybe instead of being worried about spelling you should learn to read bud
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Eh meh gurd he actually said NAC, some actual advice from the expert. It's as if he just googled something..... you didn't suggest it before. NAC doesn't have any sides, I've taken 1200mg a day and been fine. Gynecomastia is sure a big word.
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Hahah yes it does. Try using google or talk to a person that know what NAC really is.
 
amj8858 said:
Hahah yes it does. Try using google or talk to a person that know what NAC really is.
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WebMD:

"N-acetyl cysteine is LIKELY SAFE for most adults, when used as a prescription medication. It can cause nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea or constipation. Rarely, it can cause rashes, fever, headache, drowsiness, low blood pressure, and liver problems.

When inhaled (breathed into the lungs), it can also cause swelling in the mouth, runny nose, drowsiness, clamminess, and chest tightness."
Is that where you found your answer, If YOU had actually taken it, YOU would know that it doesn't have any sides unless you're allergic, have a **** diet or don't drink enough. Oh and if you sniff it, sniffing it is bad
 
Juicedeez utz said:
WebMD:

"N-acetyl cysteine is LIKELY SAFE for most adults, when used as a prescription medication. It can cause nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea or constipation. Rarely, it can cause rashes, fever, headache, drowsiness, low blood pressure, and liver problems.

When inhaled (breathed into the lungs), it can also cause swelling in the mouth, runny nose, drowsiness, clamminess, and chest tightness."
Is that where you found your answer, If YOU had actually taken it, YOU would know that it doesn't have any sides unless you're allergic, have a **** diet or don't drink enough. Oh and if you sniff it, sniffing it is bad
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This is pointless to argue on the internet. I use milk thistle I find it a better liver therapy. I didn't mean to offend you or your intelligence.
 
amj8858 said:
Ahhh I have. So tell me what's your professional opinion. How many times have you done dbol?
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you still haven't thought about it.
You stated "half life" is 4-6 hours then it's gone.
Half life is the amount of time it takes to metabolize half the compound. Hence the term, half life.
So if you take 40mg dbol, in 4-6 hours you'll have 20mg dbol in your system.
 
David Dunn said:
Seriously? Which moron would you like to be referenced as? :D
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I am so egotistical I just assumed both references were about me. :banana:
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I think heyboy made another account and is now offering his advice to people srs.
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and he's likely read enough misinformation and advice and can now parrot it to the next in line and he too one day will have enough rep points to be a credible guru too (rhyme not intended ;) )

Been here a long long time. It's the message board circle of life....
 
Yes! Is it advisesble? No! Dbol only 4 week cycle (after a ph or not) is a waste of a healthy HPTA. You'll balloon up with excessive aromatization. Any size and strength you'll gain will be entirely from estrogen and aromatization which will be lost when you stop taking it and all of it once you complete PCT.

If you inhibit it with an AI you are actually hindering its actual benefit in running longer injection cycles - front loading for quick size, weight and strength gains while waiting for long esters injectables to kick in. You are not doing a long injectables cycle. Don't use it.

Get testosterone run it at 350 to 500 mg a week and take 20 mg pre-work out. Otherwise just leave it alone.

My "expert" advice. :)
 
Craeshe said:
So.....my original post, can I jump from the PH to DBOL?
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Your an adult, you can do whatever you want. Don't mean you should tho. Why would you wanna get big for 4 weeks just to see it disappear. I'm pretty sure no matter how many ppl tell you it's a bad idea your still going to do it anyway so have at it. Do yourself a favor tho, take a pic now, week 4 and 2 weeks after PCT. I'm willing to make a wager that the first and last pic will be pretty similar
 
amj8858 said:
I don't understand what you mean "all active". Not all steroids work right away. Cyp, eth, deca, and many more take up to three weeks to work at full potential. Dbol work right away and will kick your ass if your not careful. It's the most powerful anabolic steroid in the world. It's no joke and if you don't know what to take with it or how to use it just stay away from it.
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Lol at that

Good reading through this thread... Laughter certainly is good for the soul, thanks AM
 
David Dunn said:
exactly. And when you get cocky arrogant insulting message board guru posting. the fan boys start getting on his wagon and they don't know weather he is full of **** or not but he's got lots of board rep so he must know.
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Negged
 
amj8858 said:
Hahah yes it does. Try using google or talk to a person that know what NAC really is.
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A person that knows what NAC is? What does that even mean? Please, enlighten us all on the common adverse effects of NAC, especially anything that's really relevant in this discussion that involves the use of various steroids/PHs. NAC has a very favorable safety profile, and can really be considered a "healthy" supplement, unlike the majority of AAS/PHs being discussed here, but by all means, recommend a DBOL only cycle, saying he "won't regret it," but be sure to warn us all of the dangers of NAC.
 
amj8858 said:
Bro plan and simple dbol works fast in your system and leaves your system just as fast. It's a kick starter and you don't use it alone. Use a Test e or test c or sustanon with it and never use it longer than six weeks over 40mg if you want a liver. Also take milk thistle with it and amimidex okay.
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So you'll for sure lose your liver if you take it for longer for 6 weeks at >40mg daily? Hm.
amj8858 said:
I don't understand what you mean "all active". Not all steroids work right away. Cyp, eth, deca, and many more take up to three weeks to work at full potential. Dbol work right away and will kick your ass if your not careful. It's the most powerful anabolic steroid in the world. It's no joke and if you don't know what to take with it or how to use it just stay away from it.
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Ummm trenbolone.
And if we're talking orals only, you must have never heard of dbol's big bro, anadrol.
amj8858 said:
This is pointless to argue on the internet. I use milk thistle I find it a better liver therapy. I didn't mean to offend you or your intelligence.
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It's really not pointless to argue, because milk thistle has been proven to do jack sh*t for liver protection. Try NAC (does not have "side effects") and TUDCA.
Hell, drinking a gallon of water probably does more for liver and kidney function than milk thistle.
 
Wow, not so much. Thanks for thinking so low of people. Trying to get information, not just get approval....you are my parent....lol
 
Here is what I got, since I do not do cycles very often, usually when money is in surplus, I want to go ahead and do the DBOL after this PH cycle. Straight into it. The PH i am on now are not mentholated, so minimal damage to my liver. (I am taking cycle support anyways) So here is how i see it...

PH WEEK 3: Finish Out (Anabolic Trinity + Super Mandro + Cycle Support + Eradicate and other supplements)

PH WEEK 4: Finish Out + 1 DBOL (10mg) before workouts. + Letrone (AI) + Test Base (Probably Andro the Giant (Andro-4))

DBOL (At least 4 weeks): 2 or 3 dose 10mg + Letrone (AI) + Andro (plus all the other supplements and cycle support)

PCT: Letrone + Nolva + Kingsblood

Opinion?
 
Craeshe said:
Here is what I got, since I do not do cycles very often, usually when money is in surplus, I want to go ahead and do the DBOL after this PH cycle. Straight into it. The PH i am on now are not mentholated, so minimal damage to my liver. (I am taking cycle support anyways) So here is how i see it...

PH WEEK 3: Finish Out (Anabolic Trinity + Super Mandro + Cycle Support + Eradicate and other supplements)

PH WEEK 4: Finish Out + 1 DBOL (10mg) before workouts. + Letrone (AI) + Test Base (Probably Andro the Giant (Andro-4))

DBOL (At least 4 weeks): 2 or 3 dose 10mg + Letrone (AI) + Andro (plus all the other supplements and cycle support)

PCT: Letrone + Nolva + Kingsblood

Opinion?
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My opinion?
Terrible idea
 
muscleupcrohn said:
A person that knows what NAC is? What does that even mean? Please, enlighten us all on the common adverse effects of NAC, especially anything that's really relevant in this discussion that involves the use of various steroids/PHs. NAC has a very favorable safety profile, and can really be considered a "healthy" supplement, unlike the majority of AAS/PHs being discussed here, but by all means, recommend a DBOL only cycle, saying he "won't regret it," but be sure to warn us all of the dangers of NAC.
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Exclamation NAC dosed at 1.2 g act's as a pro-oxidant
H. A. Kleinveld1, P. N. M. Demacker1 and A. F. H. Stalenhoef1
(1) Department of General Internal Medicine, University Hospital, Nijmegen, P. O. Box 9101, 6500 HB Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Received: 24 February 1992 Accepted: 14 July 1992

Summary - We have studied the effects of N-acetylcysteine which is thought to have antioxidant properties, on the susceptibility of low-density lipoprotein to oxidation and on whole-blood glutathione concentrations in six healthy volunteers.

N-acetylcysteine was given orally in a dosage of at 1.2 g per day for 4 weeks, followed by 2.4 g per day for a further two weeks. The susceptibility of low-density lipoprotein toin vitro Cu2+-oxidation was determined by continuously measuring the formation of conjugated dienes. Whole-blood concentrations of reduced and oxidized glutathione were also determined.

N-acetylcysteine had no effect on the susceptibility of LDL to oxidation.

Concentrations of vitamin E in the serum and in low-density lipoprotein were not changed. Compared with controls the concentration of glutathione in N-acetylcysteine treated subjects was reduced (?48 %) and the concentration of oxidized glutathione was higher (+80%). The GSH/GSSG-ratio, a marker of oxidative stress was 83 % lower.

The results do not support the supposed antioxidative action of N-acetylcysteine. It seems more likely that N-acetylcysteine acts as a pro-oxidant in the dosage used.

SUPPLEMENTATION WITH VITAMIN C AND N-ACETYL-CYSTEINE
INCREASES OXIDATIVE STRESS IN HUMANS AFTER AN ACUTE MUSCLE
INJURY INDUCED BY ECCENTRIC EXERCISE
A. CHILDS, C. JACOBS, T. KAMINSKI, B. HALLIWELL, and C. LEEUWENBURGH*
Biochemistry of Aging Laboratory, Center for Exercise Science, College of Health and Human Performance, University of Florida,
Gainesville, FL, USA; and Department of Biochemistry, National University of Singapore, Kent Ridge Crescent, Singapore,
Singapore
(Received 1 May 2001; Accepted 15 June 2001)
Abstract—There has been no investigation to determine if the widely used over-the-counter, water-soluble antioxidants
vitamin C and N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC) could act as pro-oxidants in humans during inflammatory conditions. We
induced an acute-phase inflammatory response by an eccentric arm muscle injury. The inflammation was characterized
by edema, swelling, pain, and increases in plasma inflammatory indicators, myeloperoxidase and interleukin-6.
Immediately following the injury, subjects consumed a placebo or vitamin C (12.5 mg/kg body weight) and NAC (10
mg/kg body weight) for 7 d. The resulting muscle injury caused increased levels of serum bleomycin-detectable iron and
the amount of iron was higher in the vitamin C and NAC group. The concentrations of lactate dehydrogenase (LDH),
creatine kinase (CK), and myoglobin were significantly elevated 2, 3, and 4 d postinjury and returned to baseline levels
by day 7. In addition, LDH and CK activities were elevated to a greater extent in the vitamin C and NAC group. Levels
of markers for oxidative stress (lipid hydroperoxides and 8-iso prostaglandin F2a; 8-Iso-PGF2a) and antioxidant enzyme
activities were also elevated post-injury. The subjects receiving vitamin C and NAC had higher levels of lipid
hydroperoxides and 8-Iso-PGF2a 2 d after the exercise. This acute human inflammatory model strongly suggests that
vitamin C and NAC supplementation immediately post-injury, transiently increases tissue damage and oxidative
stress.
 
David Dunn said:
Exclamation NAC dosed at 1.2 g act's as a pro-oxidant
H. A. Kleinveld1, P. N. M. Demacker1 and A. F. H. Stalenhoef1
(1) Department of General Internal Medicine, University Hospital, Nijmegen, P. O. Box 9101, 6500 HB Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Received: 24 February 1992 Accepted: 14 July 1992

Summary - We have studied the effects of N-acetylcysteine which is thought to have antioxidant properties, on the susceptibility of low-density lipoprotein to oxidation and on whole-blood glutathione concentrations in six healthy volunteers.

N-acetylcysteine was given orally in a dosage of at 1.2 g per day for 4 weeks, followed by 2.4 g per day for a further two weeks. The susceptibility of low-density lipoprotein toin vitro Cu2+-oxidation was determined by continuously measuring the formation of conjugated dienes. Whole-blood concentrations of reduced and oxidized glutathione were also determined.

N-acetylcysteine had no effect on the susceptibility of LDL to oxidation.

Concentrations of vitamin E in the serum and in low-density lipoprotein were not changed. Compared with controls the concentration of glutathione in N-acetylcysteine treated subjects was reduced (?48 %) and the concentration of oxidized glutathione was higher (+80%). The GSH/GSSG-ratio, a marker of oxidative stress was 83 % lower.

The results do not support the supposed antioxidative action of N-acetylcysteine. It seems more likely that N-acetylcysteine acts as a pro-oxidant in the dosage used.

SUPPLEMENTATION WITH VITAMIN C AND N-ACETYL-CYSTEINE
INCREASES OXIDATIVE STRESS IN HUMANS AFTER AN ACUTE MUSCLE
INJURY INDUCED BY ECCENTRIC EXERCISE
A. CHILDS, C. JACOBS, T. KAMINSKI, B. HALLIWELL, and C. LEEUWENBURGH*
Biochemistry of Aging Laboratory, Center for Exercise Science, College of Health and Human Performance, University of Florida,
Gainesville, FL, USA; and Department of Biochemistry, National University of Singapore, Kent Ridge Crescent, Singapore,
Singapore
(Received 1 May 2001; Accepted 15 June 2001)
Abstract—There has been no investigation to determine if the widely used over-the-counter, water-soluble antioxidants
vitamin C and N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC) could act as pro-oxidants in humans during inflammatory conditions. We
induced an acute-phase inflammatory response by an eccentric arm muscle injury. The inflammation was characterized
by edema, swelling, pain, and increases in plasma inflammatory indicators, myeloperoxidase and interleukin-6.
Immediately following the injury, subjects consumed a placebo or vitamin C (12.5 mg/kg body weight) and NAC (10
mg/kg body weight) for 7 d. The resulting muscle injury caused increased levels of serum bleomycin-detectable iron and
the amount of iron was higher in the vitamin C and NAC group. The concentrations of lactate dehydrogenase (LDH),
creatine kinase (CK), and myoglobin were significantly elevated 2, 3, and 4 d postinjury and returned to baseline levels
by day 7. In addition, LDH and CK activities were elevated to a greater extent in the vitamin C and NAC group. Levels
of markers for oxidative stress (lipid hydroperoxides and 8-iso prostaglandin F2a; 8-Iso-PGF2a) and antioxidant enzyme
activities were also elevated post-injury. The subjects receiving vitamin C and NAC had higher levels of lipid
hydroperoxides and 8-Iso-PGF2a 2 d after the exercise. This acute human inflammatory model strongly suggests that
vitamin C and NAC supplementation immediately post-injury, transiently increases tissue damage and oxidative
stress.
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"oh no I'm not the expert" :D
 
I know you copied and pasted. Not a total moron ;)
 
BamBam0319 said:
So you'll for sure lose your liver if you take it for longer for 6 weeks at >40mg daily? Hm.

Ummm trenbolone.
And if we're talking orals only, you must have never heard of dbol's big bro, anadrol.


It's really not pointless to argue, because milk thistle has been proven to do jack sh*t for liver protection. Try NAC (does not have "side effects") and TUDCA.
Hell, drinking a gallon of water probably does more for liver and kidney function than milk thistle.
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Or superdrol
 
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