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old jungle warfare vs. new jungle warfare ?

boxmeman said:
This is the old bottle
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This is the new
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it would be the new bottle than. everyone on here is claiming this is a mild ph? :wtf: . this whole issue is extremely confusing. i liked the stuff personally, but maybe bc i was running 6 a day. i think now with my further knowledge on supps and my extremely cleaner diet, jw would kill :twisted:
 
GotRam01 said:
it would be the new bottle than. everyone on here is claiming this is a mild ph? :wtf: . this whole issue is extremely confusing. i liked the stuff personally, but maybe bc i was running 6 a day. i think now with my further knowledge on supps and my extremely cleaner diet, jw would kill :twisted:
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yep...
 
GotRam01 said:
so is this new one a ph? or are you as clueless as me>?
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lol it has a derirvitive of DMT, included in its blend (for some reason certain people are flipping out over this)....Anyhow im running it at the moment alongside DTH and 6OXO, sorry bro i can't be classified as being clueless :toofunny:
 
yeah i also ran both versions... The old one (blue) i ran back in Jan 07 and i before all this "roid" talk even came up i was swearing to people if felt like a PH... good strength gains and put on 6 pretty lean pounds in 30days, solid pumps and lots of glycogen retention

The new version (red) I ran last summer and it was balls compared to the original... didn't get much out of it at all
 
ALRI=Ambigously Labeled 'Roided Ingredients.


That's right. Hand over the reps.


I thought of this inbetween squats last night. I gave myself a pat on the back afterwards.
 
I mixed up the bottles.


When Patrick Arnold was talking about the 6-DMT, he also mentioned that the chemical nomenclature was all 'phucked up'. The old bottle says 17-akyl-delta, something.......when I saw that a long time ago I remember thinking that it was very odd how you'd name an ingredient (they messed up anyways).


Here is an segment about methylating an ATD:

Anyway, concerning methylated aromatase inhibitors. i have said this before, making a 17alpha-methyl derivative of an aromatase inhibitor makes no sense.

look at all the steroidal aromatse inhibitors on the market. They are all 17-keto compounds. This is for a reason. 17-keto steroids all have a higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme than 17beta-hydroxyl compounds (this is totally opposite than it is for the androgen receptor)

when you make a 17alpha-methyl, 17beta-hydroxyl (as ALRI is doing there) you prevent the formation of a 17-ketone derivative. You force the compound to stay a 17beta-hydroxyl. This makes no sense. you WANT the compound to be a 17-ketone and they are forcing it to stay as a much weaker 17beta-hydroxyl


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thebigt said:
pa says restore contains andro.
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Get out'a here?? Really??

I have a bottle sitting in my room that i've yet to touch, I planned on using it for a mild PCT of my JW/ProA/BAM run that I have coming up.

Probably shouldnt use Andro for PCT, from what I read ( I am not all that knowledgable in PS/PH )
 
if it is androstenedione that was put in it then I wouldn't even bother.

Androstenedione is pretty worthless and tremendously old school. Patrick Arnold came out with this back in 98 or something.

By the time you take enough androstenedione to actually make a difference, you'll be dealing with estrogenic conversions as well.


It makes about as much sense as taking DHEA to get bigger.
 
Aww mint, the bottle i have in my room is the old version.

I'm going to run it in about 5 weeks (when i get back from Poland)

Do i need a pct or is it very mild?

All this shat is very confusing.

Is the new version complete garbage then?
 
ReaperX said:
if it is androstenedione that was put in it then I wouldn't even bother.

Androstenedione is pretty worthless and tremendously old school. Patrick Arnold came out with this back in 98 or something.

By the time you take enough androstenedione to actually make a difference, you'll be dealing with estrogenic conversions as well.


It makes about as much sense as taking DHEA to get bigger.
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the estrogen conversion is the point! not exactly something i would recommend for pct.
 
Probably the E-Form, Sustain, X-Lean thing that you got going on T is the best answer. That way you know what you are working with.
 
ReaperX said:
Probably the E-Form, Sustain, X-Lean thing that you got going on T is the best answer. That way you know what you are working with.
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btw-you ever get around to trying td formestane? you might check out dsade's new product in the rpn forum.
 
ReaperX said:
I found this link on Jungle Warfare, however I cannot access bb.com's forum, only am.com's forum (weird).

Anyways, can someone check this for me and let me know what it says ? Thanks.

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This was the outcome of that thread...


"6-DMT(6-Dehydromethyltestosterone) is the the hidden steriod"

and apprently Restore contains a hidden steroid aswell.


According to that thread.
 
ono said:
This was the outcome of that thread...


"6-DMT(6-Dehydromethyltestosterone) is the the hidden steriod"

and apprently Restore contains a hidden steroid aswell.


According to that thread.
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oh and this aswell

it's a steroid, and an isomer of Dianabol.

JW = 6-dehydromethyltestosterone
Dianabol = 1-dehydromethyltestosterone

its androgenic/anabolic ratio as compared to testosterone is 40/60.
 
Yeah, IMO, the old stuff was much better than the new stuff. I took 5 pills a day of the new JW and saw very little in the way of body composition changes or extraordinary strength gains.

But the old stuff, that ish was great for strength gains. I really, really liked the old JW.
 
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