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Oconns28 - Getting Permaswole and Ferox- Chaos and Pain

Wow no kidding you're killing it!

The thing about a deload is it's not like a week or even a day off. You still get in the gym, move some good weight, break a nice sweat, and get that sense of accomplishment and the high, up just don't kill yourself. That's really the only big change is you just dial it down a notch.

The way I think about it is as a day to really, truly focus on form, mind muscle connection (thinking about every single fiber and how everything connects to move the weight in the most optimal way for that exercise).

It's the day I skip the hoodie and spend too much time in front of the mirror, making sure what I'm targeting is exactly what is being used.

If you think of it this way, it's less of a "week off" and more of a "zone/hone in" week.
 
booneman77 said:
Wow no kidding you're killing it!

The thing about a deload is it's not like a week or even a day off. You still get in the gym, move some good weight, break a nice sweat, and get that sense of accomplishment and the high, up just don't kill yourself. That's really the only big change is you just dial it down a notch.

The way I think about it is as a day to really, truly focus on form, mind muscle connection (thinking about every single fiber and how everything connects to move the weight in the most optimal way for that exercise).

It's the day I skip the hoodie and spend too much time in front of the mirror, making sure what I'm targeting is exactly what is being used.

If you think of it this way, it's less of a "week off" and more of a "zone/hone in" week.
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Perfect way of describing it!
 
booneman77 said:
Wow no kidding you're killing it!

The thing about a deload is it's not like a week or even a day off. You still get in the gym, move some good weight, break a nice sweat, and get that sense of accomplishment and the high, up just don't kill yourself. That's really the only big change is you just dial it down a notch.

The way I think about it is as a day to really, truly focus on form, mind muscle connection (thinking about every single fiber and how everything connects to move the weight in the most optimal way for that exercise).

It's the day I skip the hoodie and spend too much time in front of the mirror, making sure what I'm targeting is exactly what is being used.

If you think of it this way, it's less of a "week off" and more of a "zone/hone in" week.
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Ohhh yes that is much better!! I know there's some workouts I could really use some form work on so it would be a great time!
 
Week 3 Day 1 continued

Well today was a different day I'm trying something new. I skipped breakfast and took radiate then didn't eat until 10 when I had a bowl of fruit, oatmeal, Greek yogurt and protein powder.

Supplements

Pre-workout
- 1 rounded scoop Ferox
- 2 scoops Permaswole
20 minutes before

Intra
Got myself in trouble here, I forgot to bring my BCAA's that I like to sip on so I thought let's try something new.
- 1 scoop Permaswole
- 1/4 scoop Ferox

Training

Upper Power

- BB Rows - 205, dropped to 185 after a pain in my back and lower back feeling weak
- BB Bench - 225 for 3 sets of 5. This was a goal for me and part why I delayed my de-load week. I really wanted to hit this!
- OHP - 115
- Pull-ups - 15
- Dips - 20
- Lat Raise - 35
- DB curls - 50


Thoughts

Well I found the line for my stims and I crossed it today!! Way over stimmed myself. It's crazy the difference 1/4 scoop made! Just after I finished with my bench I started to feel worse and worse. My heart was beating faster than it should and I felt weak and shaky. So yes NO more than 1 rounded scoop!

Good news though the pump was sooo crazy! When I was doing the second set of dips my arms almost locked up from feeling so pumped! Then the curls had my arms exploding!
 
Week 3 Day 2

Well I'm committing to the vanity/form/de-load week! My body has been screaming at me but I've been trying to ignore it like the wife when football is on!

Supplements

Pre-workout
- Nutrabolics Supernova

Intra
-Amino-tone

Training
Back and Shoulders Hypertrophy

I went through all my usual doing 3 sets of 10 reps but really focusing on the muscle contraction.

Thoughts
It's so obvious now that this pre just isn't on the same level. I'm going to stick to this plan the rest of the week! Seriously this time! Lol. My weight is also dropping. I'm at 179.8. The last 2 days I've skipped breakfast and took Radiate. Still aiming for the same calories throughout the day as before.

I really want to start bulking but I might as well stick with cutting this extra fat off first!
 
Week 3 Day 3

Full Rest day today! Took some Red Sky this morning, skipped breakfast again.

When I say rest day I just mean from the gym, i still work a job that is decently physical most days
 
Oconns28 said:
Week 3 Day 3

Full Rest day today! Took some Red Sky this morning, skipped breakfast again.

When I say rest day I just mean from the gym, i still work a job that is decently physical most days
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Bet that rest day will feel good! I'd love to have rest days in between my power days but weekend are typically booked. Haha
 
Wimsicle said:
Bet that rest day will feel good! I'd love to have rest days in between my power days but weekend are typically booked. Haha
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I actually think I might be getting or have a little bug. Just haven't felt right all week. Going to try and get to bed early tonight!
 
Oconns28 said:
I actually think I might be getting or have a little bug. Just haven't felt right all week. Going to try and get to bed early tonight!
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my secret to never getting sick: anytime i feel even slightly off, drink as much fluid as possible, eat plenty (even bump cals a bit and dont be sh with veggies and such), and sleep as much as possible.

I have avoided nearly 100% of sicknesses for probably 15 years like this, including having mono (only actually felt bad for the weekend) in college ha.
 
booneman77 said:
my secret to never getting sick: anytime i feel even slightly off, drink as much fluid as possible, eat plenty (even bump cals a bit and dont be sh with veggies and such), and sleep as much as possible.

I have avoided nearly 100% of sicknesses for probably 15 years like this, including having mono (only actually felt bad for the weekend) in college ha.
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Oh yeah that is definitely a good way to avoid it! Also adding in a quality probiotic (gut health for me) and cleaning up diet made it so I rarely ever get sick. My gut biome was so f'd from growing up and eating sh1t and college as well. haha
 
booneman77 said:
my secret to never getting sick: anytime i feel even slightly off, drink as much fluid as possible, eat plenty (even bump cals a bit and dont be sh with veggies and such), and sleep as much as possible.

I have avoided nearly 100% of sicknesses for probably 15 years like this, including having mono (only actually felt bad for the weekend) in college ha.
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Wimsicle said:
Oh yeah that is definitely a good way to avoid it! Also adding in a quality probiotic (gut health for me) and cleaning up diet made it so I rarely ever get sick. My gut biome was so f'd from growing up and eating sh1t and college as well. haha
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Ya I hear ya there! Since I've gotten my life together, taken my diet and fitness seriously I've been much healthier! Very rarely sick.

I've been pushing hard lately staying up later studying or doing whatever and still getting up at 5:20 everyday with my kids. I'll aim for some healthy food tonight and a good sleep!
 
Wimsicle said:
Oh yeah that is definitely a good way to avoid it! Also adding in a quality probiotic (gut health for me) and cleaning up diet made it so I rarely ever get sick. My gut biome was so f'd from growing up and eating sh1t and college as well. haha
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Gut health is a staple for me as well. Love that stuff.
 
Week 3 Day 4

Feeling better today. I got to bed just after 9 so the extra hour and a bit helped. I also had lots of food and water yesterday. My weight is actually up to 183.2. The plan for today is some chest and arms with just Permaswole
 
Week 3 Day 4 continued

I just have to start by saying Permaswole seriously bring Da PUMP!!!

Supplements

Pre-Workout
- 2 Scoops of Permaswole

Intra
- 1 Scoop of Amino-tone

Training

Chest and Arms Hypertrophy
- BB Bench
- DB Inc Bench
Superset
- DB Fly
- DB Pullover

- Rev Grip Tricep PD
- Cable Curls
- Rope PD
- DB Curls


Thoughts

For the most part I was doing 3 sets of 10 with nice slow reps really focusing on the muscle. With the advice from you guys and not thinking of this as so much as a de-load week but a form/muscle contraction whatever you want to call it. I really enjoyed the workout today. I was able to get a crazy pump going but I wasn't pushing my sets to failure.

Don't get me wrong though I want to get back to heavy and making progress!! Lol

I haven't tried A LOT of non-stim pump pre-workouts but man I'd have to think Permaswole is up near the top. I can't imagine how a pump could be much better be! My arms felt so swole I thought I was ready for the Mr Olympia stage (only my arms, not the rest of my body)
 
Tight man! I've been thinking bout getting PES high volume or permaswole as a non stim pre for some time. When the funds allow it and stash space opens up ;)
 
Wimsicle said:
Tight man! I've been thinking bout getting PES high volume or permaswole as a non stim pre for some time. When the funds allow it and stash space opens up ;)
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I haven't tried High Volume to compare but I'd like to. Permaswole has made me more open to stim free PWO's

You know I got you guys with the code for 20%off Fire20. Pretty sure there's a 30% OFF sale right now though.
 
Im a huge fan of high volume. Not too many products work all that well for me but that is def one of them.
 
Week 3 Day 7

Oh I'm back at it! I think I got enough rest in!

Supplements
Pre-Workout
- 1 scoop Permaswole
- 1/4 Scoop Ferox
(Went to the gym when it opened at 7am today so I didn't feel the need for a big stim boost)

Intra
- Gatorade

Training
Upper Power

- Bb Bench - 230 - 4,3,3
- OHP - 4x135 but dropped to 125
- BB Row - 185
Superset
- Pull-ups - 16 reps
- Dips - 21 reps
Superset
- DB Lat Raise - 40lbs
- EZ Bar Curls - 8x100 dropped 8x90
Ended with a 1 mile jog increasing speed every 30 seconds until I maxed out at 12.

Thoughts

I felt great this morning! I actually used the scale/body fat analyzer at the gym. There's an option to choose "athletic" or "standard" body type. I don't know what the line is to decide so I tried both and the results are very different. Which do you think I'm closer to?
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The athletic looks pretty close to where your pics show you. You're def not 18%bf
 
Oconns28 said:
I was hoping I'd be more towards the athletic. It's a stupid system that there could be such a difference
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yeah those kind of impedance analyzers can be dramatically different just b drinking more or less water...
 
Week 4 Day 1

Supplements
Pre-Workout
- 1 Scoop Permaswole
- 1/2 Scoop Ferox

Intra
- Gatorade, BCAA's

Training

Lower Power
- Squats - 205lbs (working on form)
- Deadlifts - 315lbs
- Leg Press - 450lbs
- Standing Calves - 310lbs then drop sets every 270,230,190. Two full sets
- Rowing Machine - 500m - 1:53
- walking lunges and a set of leg curls

Thoughts
Feeling good! I'm actually tapering off the high stims cutting my dose down this week. I'm surprised but I still get a little feeling from the reduced Ferox! For me out of the two Permaswole is my winner! I like Ferox and in the future I'd use it for big power days where I want to get hyped and go BIG!

Question

Macros
I've been aiming for 40P, 40C and 20 Fat. 2500 calories

I'm finding it hard to hit that much protein. So my question when I'm ready to bulk or even just raise the calories a bit what would ideal macros be?
 
Oconns28 said:
Week 4 Day 1

Supplements
Pre-Workout
- 1 Scoop Permaswole
- 1/2 Scoop Ferox

Intra
- Gatorade, BCAA's

Training

Lower Power
- Squats - 205lbs (working on form)
- Deadlifts - 315lbs
- Leg Press - 450lbs
- Standing Calves - 310lbs then drop sets every 270,230,190. Two full sets
- Rowing Machine - 500m - 1:53
- walking lunges and a set of leg curls

Thoughts
Feeling good! I'm actually tapering off the high stims cutting my dose down this week. I'm surprised but I still get a little feeling from the reduced Ferox! For me out of the two Permaswole is my winner! I like Ferox and in the future I'd use it for big power days where I want to get hyped and go BIG!

Question

Macros
I've been aiming for 40P, 40C and 20 Fat. 2500 calories

I'm finding it hard to hit that much protein. So my question when I'm ready to bulk or even just raise the calories a bit what would ideal macros be?
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What does that break down to for the lazy macro wise? I like going by grams more than percents haha
 
Yeah I'd have to consume Hella shakes (and if I put 2 seconds of thought into that rather than being lazy... Lol)
 
Oconns28 said:
Lol ya been loving the shakes. 4-6 per day! I'm thinking I'll drop the protein to 200 then split up the rest for carbs and fats.

The high protein has been working for me but it's just so high and hard to reach
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I personally love (and do well) with these levels of protein but it's certainly not necessary especially when bulking. I simply do it cuz I like eating like 2lb of meat in a sitting ha.

When you bulk, just put protein at 200 or so and fill the gap with carbs
 
Looking ripped for sure!
That's it....I'm going back on Clen. If I pass out again at work, so be it..
 
booneman77 said:
I personally love (and do well) with these levels of protein but it's certainly not necessary especially when bulking. I simply do it cuz I like eating like 2lb of meat in a sitting ha.

When you bulk, just put protein at 200 or so and fill the gap with carbs
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I'm with you there! Protein is my favourite part of a meal but man it's time consuming and expensive to try and eat that much
 
Oconns28 said:
I'm with you there! Protein is my favourite part of a meal but man it's time consuming and expensive to try and eat that much
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I can usually get chicken for $1.88/lb so that's way cheaper than even a powder for protein/$1 ratio
 
booneman77 said:
I can usually get chicken for $1.88/lb so that's way cheaper than even a powder for protein/$1 ratio
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You know what I should price mine out. My father in-law is a meat buyer and we get meat through him. We get some great boneless skinless chicken breasts but I'm not sure the cost/lb
 
Wimsicle said:
What's your favorite way to cook chicken in bulk? Also where do u get $1.88 a lb? Lol
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Load up the grill. My issue is I typically eat the entire grills worth haha. Bulk cooking is like 20lb otherwise it's just cooking for dinner. Big stomach problems.
 
booneman77 said:
Load up the grill. My issue is I typically eat the entire grills worth haha. Bulk cooking is like 20lb otherwise it's just cooking for dinner. Big stomach problems.
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I can't wait till I can have a grill. Moving soon so should have one pretty soon lol.. Going to really allow me to cook more and consume more muahaha :)
 
Hey guys, my Permaswole tub instead of BA 1.5g writes Beta O2™1.5g.

I googled it but didn't get any results so I thought I'd ask here.

I guess it's the same?

By the way, nice log you have here. Keep it up! I'm also using booneman77 PHAT program since June and really luving it!
 
JulzRulz said:
Hey guys, my Permaswole tub instead of BA 1.5g writes Beta O21.5g.

I googled it but didn't get any results so I thought I'd ask here.

I guess it's the same?

By the way, nice log you have here. Keep it up! I'm also using booneman77 PHAT program since June and really luving it!
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Hey man ya my tub is the same. To be honest I'm not sure why they have it like that. Maybe pyrobatt could answer. Oh booneman77 program is unreal!
 
Week 4 Day 3

I need to title today's workout "Pump of My Life"

Supplements

Preworkout
- 2 Scoops Permaswole

Intra
- 1 Scoop BCAA's
- 3 g Citruilline Mallate

Training
Chest and Arms Hypertrophy

- Inc DB Bench - 85lbs
- Machine Press - 175lbs plus dropset
- Cable Fly - 25lbs
Superset
- DB Pullover - 80lbs
- EZ Bar Curls - 90lbs
Superset
- Rope PD - 50lbs
- Rope Curls - 50lbs

Thoughts
Honestly my first thoughts looking in the mirror at the end were damn are my arms getting too big for the rest of my body!?!? I felt like they are progressing faster than everyone else. I felt so huge and my arms looked insane!! Of course the pump is gone and it doesn't feel the same now lol. Awesome workout. It's my favourite day in the program and I attacked it!! I respond well to Permaswole! Not a fan of the green apple taste though!
 
Week 4 Day 4

Just a boring rest day today. Had some stuff to do so I used my lunch time for it instead.
 
Week 4 Day 5

Supplements

Pre-Workout
-Nothing from the stack today. 3/4 scoop of Radiate

Intra
- BCAA's

Training
Leg Hypertrophy but more intense cardio

- Squats - 185lbs slow and deep
- Stiff Leg Deadlift - 205lbs
- Treadmill - built up a good sweat then did incline sprints
- Standing Calves - One big dropset 10 reps per - 330,290,250,210,170,130,90,50


Thoughts
I was pouring sweat!! My calves were destroyed!! Crazy when it's a struggle just to do calf raises with 50lbs!
 
Week 4 Day 7

Rest day/family day/cut grass/home renovations Day lol


Tomorrow I'm jumping back in with a full scoop Ferox and a big scoop of Permaswole to destroy my upper Power Day!
 
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