OBAMACARE...JUST A SMOKESCREEN

[McCrew530]

That is crazy! The "treatment" for polio was absurd my Grandmother aka Nana had polio when she was in her 30s and actually walked away from that disease and lived into her 90's!
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[thebigt]

That is crazy! The "treatment" for polio was absurd my Grandmother aka Nana had polio when she was in her 30s and actually walked away from that disease and lived into her 90's!
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my aunt died around 10 years ago, she got polio as a young child. she was paralysed from waist down, my mom used to pull her around in a wagon when they were young. she was in a wheelchair her entire life, but retired from goodwill industries after 40 years as a seanstress there, many of those years without an absence. she lived on her own in a rent controlled apt until she was 87, she died in a nursing home at age 92. i can remember when she was in the hospital with pneumonia near her death, the student doctors would all gather around her, they had never seen anyone with polio before.....

i am very proud of my aunt and actually have tears in my eyes typing this thinking of her!!!

 

[McCrew530]

my aunt died around 10 years ago, she got polio as a young child. she was paralysed from waist down, my mom used to pull her around in a wagon when they were young. she was in a wheelchair her entire life, but retired from goodwill industries after 40 years as a seanstress there, many of those years without an absence. she lived on her own in a rent controlled apt until she was 87, she died in a nursing home at age 92. i can remember when she was in the hospital with pneumonia near her death, the student doctors would all gather around her, they had never seen anyone with polio before.....

i am very proud of my aunt and actually have tears in my eyes typing this thinking of her!!!

Pneumonia is was finally got to my Nana as well
sometimes the strongest willed people are the ones who appear physically the weakest. I guess the Docs had told my grandma that she would never walk again, or ever be able to have kids. She proved them wrong on both accounts.
Thank god to because that last kid she had was my mom

 

[McCrew530]

oh and one more thing that is Obama's fault!...
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[Touey]

Good evening AM sleep tight one more thing is Obama fault who leave country packed with ponies to come to non-pony country

 

[Touey]

Good morning AM recipe from Touey starting on the day bright eye bushy tail mct oil with the obamabutter mix to the bullet proof coffee hope everyone having a Good day!

 

[ax1]

Good morning AM recipe from Touey starting on the day bright eye bushy tail mct oil with the obamabutter mix to the bullet proof coffee hope everyone having a Good day!

Thanksgiving is around the corner.

It was just some 400 years ago the Pilgrims had a feast with the Native Americans, and the Pilgrims assured to the Native's that "If you like your land, you can keep your land."

 

[Touey]

That saying, it sounding a very familiar

 

[thebigt]

Thanksgiving is around the corner.

It was just some 400 years ago the Pilgrims had a feast with the Native Americans, and the Pilgrims assured to the Native's that "If you like your land, you can keep your land."

difference being native americans didn't have high tech gizmos to keep them pacified and they didn't go down without a fight.


what has all this technology done for society besides take away jobs, and make us lazy, less social, and oblivious to what is happening around us....technology was a good thing when given in moderate doses, in the last 2 decades we have been overdosed on technology.

some would argue that the advancement in medicine is a positive, i submit that there are more sick people today than at any other time i can remember, it seems everyone is on 2 or 3 different medications and flu and cold epidemics are common occurences, not to mention how many people who have cancer these days!!! COULD IT BE THAT THE SEDENTARY LIFESTYLE TECHNOLOGY HAS GIVEN HAS CAUSED POOR HEALTH...kids no longer play ball, they sit and play gameboys....

 

[thebigt]

in 1982 the number of umemployed reached 3 million for the 1st time....in 1996 the government celebrated as unemployment fell below 2 million for the 1st time in 6 years....1996, the beginning of the end:

with the economy doing well, and so few unemployed 'now hiring' signs went up everywhere. fast food and entry level jobs couldn't be filled, they couldn't find enough people willing to work for $4.75 which was then the minimum wage. so employers were faced with raising wages or finding more workers willing to work for minimum wage. this is when our wonderful american business leaders thought...hey, why not actually encourage our mexican friends to cross the border with promises of jobs? after all this had worked for many decades in agriculture, why not in entry level jobs....well, this greed and corruption came at a price. paying only minimum wage with no benefits worked out to be very advantageous for american business...but who paid for their healthcare? what happened when they became lonely and brought their families along, only to find they couldn't afford housing on minimim wage. now not only do we have a mexican worker with no healthcare, we also have his wife and children...soon they would find they could apply for 'entitlements', well you know the rest!!!

the moral of this story is don't ever blame mexican immigrants for the problems we face!!!! instead blame greedy american business who were more interested in increasing profits than the welfare of this country...well guess what...profits are at an all time high, and this country is well on it's way to being a welfare state!!!


thanks a lot...american business would be ashamed IF they had a soul!!!

 

[Touey]

in 1982 the number of umemployed reached 3 million for the 1st time....in 1996 the government celebrated as unemployment fell below 2 million for the 1st time in 6 years....1996, the beginning of the end:

with the economy doing well, and so few unemployed 'now hiring' signs went up everywhere. fast food and entry level jobs couldn't be filled, they couldn't find enough people willing to work for $4.75 which was then the minimum wage. so employers were faced with raising wages or finding more workers willing to work for minimum wage. this is when our wonderful american business leaders thought...hey, why not actually encourage our mexican friends to cross the border with promises of jobs? after all this had worked for many decades in agriculture, why not in entry level jobs....well, this greed and corruption came at a price. paying only minimum wage with no benefits worked out to be very advantageous for american business...but who paid for their healthcare? what happened when they became lonely and brought their families along, only to find they couldn't afford housing on minimim wage. now not only do we have a mexican worker with no healthcare, we also have his wife and children...soon they would find they could apply for 'entitlements', well you know the rest!!!

the moral of this story is don't ever blame mexican immigrants for the problems we face!!!! instead blame greedy american business who were more interested in increasing profits than the welfare of this country...well guess what...profits are at an all time high, and this country is well on it's way to being a welfare state!!!


thanks a lot...american business would be ashamed IF they had a soul!!!

I’m a big fan of New Yorker cartoons. There’s usually at least one in every issue that provokes a wry smile or a wince of self-recognition. While I’ve never actually participated in the magazine’s weekly caption competition, I occasionally gin up a prospective entry. Last week, the contest featured a drawing of a couple sitting in a living room. The husband (perhaps?) was perusing a newspaper on the sofa while his wife lounged in a nearby armchair. She was a mermaid—naked from the waist up, her large flipper resting demurely on the floor. With her head angled towards her companion and her mouth open in mid-sentence, I imagined her to be saying: “After ten years, I think you could have learned to scuba dive,” or “Hiking in the Alps again? I thought we could take a beach holiday this year.”

One of my favorite New Yorker cartoons shows an office worker slumped against the wall, clutching his chest. As worried colleagues rush to aid the stricken employee, he mumbles: “Don’t worry, it was just a fleeting sense of purpose.”

These sardonic portraits of the human condition resonate with us because they capture something deep and true. The mermaid-out-of-water speaks to the challenges of mutual accommodation that confront any couple in a long-term relationship, while the temporarily and implausibly ardent employee reminds us that the typical corporate office is an emotional vacuum chamber. I can’t offer you any insights if you’re trying to synch up with your partner, but I do have a few observations about the paucity of purpose in the average corporation.

In my last post, I cited a survey that found that only 20% of employees are truly engaged in their work — heart and soul. As a student of management, I’m depressed by the fact that so many people find work depressing.

In the study, respondents laid much of the blame for their lassitude on uncommunicative and egocentric managers, but I wonder if there’s not some deeper organizational reality that bleeds the vitality and enthusiasm out of people at work.

Here’s an experiment for you. Pull together your company’s latest annual report, its mission statement, and your CEOs last few blog posts. Read through these documents and note the key phrases. Make a list of oft-repeated words. Now do a little content analysis. What are the goals and ideas that get a lot of airtime in your company? It’s probably notions like superiority, advantage, leadership, differentiation, value, focus, discipline, accountability, and efficiency. Nothing wrong with this, but do these goals quicken your pulse? Do they speak to your heart? Are they “good” in any cosmic sense?

Now think about Michelangelo, Galileo, Jefferson, Gandhi, William Wilberforce. Martin Luther King and Mother Theresa. What were the ideals that inspired these individuals to acts of greatness? Was it anything on your list of commercial values? Probably not. Remarkable contributions are typically spawned by a passionate commitment to transcendent values such as beauty, truth, wisdom, justice, charity, fidelity, joy, courage and honor.

I talk to a lot of CEOs, and every one professes a commitment to building a “high performance” organization—but is this really possible if the core values of the corporation are venal rather than venerable? I think not. And that’s why humanizing the language and practice of management is a business imperative (as well as a moral duty).

A noble purpose inspires sacrifice, stimulates innovation and encourages perseverance. In so doing, it transforms great talent into exceptional accomplishment. That’s a fact—and it leaves me wondering: Why are words like “love,” “devotion” and “honor” so seldom heard within the halls of corporate-dom? Why are the ideals that matter most to human beings the ones that are most notably absent in managerial discourse?

John Mackey, the co-founder of Whole Foods Markets, once remarked that he wanted to build a company based on love instead of fear. Mackey’s not a utopian idealist, and his unflinching libertarian views are off-putting to some. Yet few would argue with the goal of creating an organization that embodies the values of trust, generosity and forbearance. Yet a gut-level commitment to building an organization infused with the spirit of charity is far more radical and weird than it might appear.

If you doubt that, here’s another experiment. The next time you’re stuck in a corporate staff meeting, wait until everyone’s eyes have begun to glaze over from PowerPoint fatigue and then get up and announce that what your company really needs is a lot more luuuuuv. When addressing a large group of managers, I often challenge them to stand up for love (or beauty or justice or truth) in just this way. “When you get back to work, tell your boss your company has a love deficit.” This suggestions invariably provokes a wave of nervous laughter, which has always struck me as a bit strange. Why is it that managers are so willing to acknowledge the idea of a company dedicated to timeless human values and yet so unwilling to become practical advocates for those values within their own organizations? I have a hunch. I think corporate life is so manifestly inhuman—so mechanical, mundane and materialistic—that any attempt to inject a spiritual note into the overtly secular proceedings just feels wildly out of place—the workplace equivalent of reading a Bible in a brothel.

Again, there’s nothing wrong with utilitarian values like profit, advantage and efficiency, but they lack nobility. Reflect for a moment on the avarice and irresponsibility that produced the recent banking crisis, and wreaked havoc at Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia and a host of other scandal-plagued companies. If corporate leaders and their acolytes are not slaves to some meritorious social purpose, they run the risk of being enslaved by their own ignoble appetites. An uplifting sense of purpose is more than an impetus for individual accomplishment, it is also a necessary insurance policy against expediency and impropriety.

Every organization is “values-driven.” The only question is, what values are in the driver’s seat?

There was a time when Disney was in the joy business. Animators, theme park employees and executives were united in their quest to wring gasps of wonderment and delight from children across the globe. Today, Apple is in the beauty business. It uses its prodigious software and design talents to produce products and services that are aesthetic stand-outs. There are many within Google who believe their company is in the wisdom business, who talk about raising the world’s IQ, democratizing knowledge and empowering people with information. Sadly, though, this kind of dedication to big-hearted goals and high-minded ideals is all too rare in business. Nevertheless, I believe that long-lasting success, both personal and corporate, stems from an allegiance to the sublime and the majestic.

Viktor Frankl, the Austrian neurologist, held a similar view, which he expressed forcefully in “Man’s Search for Meaning:” “For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended consequence of one’s personal dedication to a cause greater than oneself . . ..”

Which brings me back to my worry. Given all this, why is the language of business so sterile, so uninspiring and so relentlessly banal? Is it because business is the province of engineers and economists rather than artists and theologians? Is it because the emphasis on rationality and pragmatism squashes idealism? I’m not sure. But I know this—customers, investors, taxpayers and policymakers believe there’s a hole in the soul of business. The only way for managers to change this fact, and regain the moral high ground, is to embrace what Socrates called the good, the just and the beautiful.

So, dear reader, a couple of questions for you: Why do you believe the language of beauty, love, justice and service is so notably absent in the corporate realm? And what would you do to remedy that fact?-Gary Hamel

 

[thebigt]

gary hamel....for a minute there i thought touey had taken a crash course in american literature, lol.

good find touey!!!

 

[ax1]

difference being native americans didn't have high tech gizmos to keep them pacified and they didn't go down without a fight.


what has all this technology done for society besides take away jobs, and make us lazy, less social, and oblivious to what is happening around us....technology was a good thing when given in moderate doses, in the last 2 decades we have been overdosed on technology.

some would argue that the advancement in medicine is a positive, i submit that there are more sick people today than at any other time i can remember, it seems everyone is on 2 or 3 different medications and flu and cold epidemics are common occurences, not to mention how many people who have cancer these days!!! COULD IT BE THAT THE SEDENTARY LIFESTYLE TECHNOLOGY HAS GIVEN HAS CAUSED POOR HEALTH...kids no longer play ball, they sit and play gameboys....

There are people that use high tech gizmon to put up a fight (such as Snowden, Daniel Manning, Anonymous, Wikileaks, alternative media, etc...)....We have never been able to access ans share goverment illegal activities in monstrous amounts in the past as we do today.

Unfortunately you do have a point....unlike the civil rights crisis, vietnam and many other incident, the vast majority of society goes on twitter and vents out their frustration online with a few tweets and it gets out of their system.

Yes...there is a big issue with growing advancement medicine, yet most people seem to focus on the next cure rather than the cause which in the case of cancer for example has completely skyrocketed.

the moral of this story is don't ever blame mexican immigrants for the problems we face!!!! instead blame greedy american business who were more interested in increasing profits than the welfare of this country...well guess what...profits are at an all time high, and this country is well on it's way to being a welfare state!!!


thanks a lot...american business would be ashamed IF they had a soul!!!

People in nature are greedy. Even minimum wage workers have no issues sucking the blood and death of foreign labor. Imagine the outrage if we required all Wall-Mart workers to give up .50 cents an hour to boost the pay of those really, really poor people who slave labor to make the products that gave them the opportunity to have a job in the first place?

 

[thebigt]

since i seem to have much more free time than ever before in my life, i was riding around in my automobile...being a veteran myself i was struck by all the storefronts with signs saying we salute our veterans, we support our troops...and so on.

what hit me as dishonest was very those stores who proclaimed to honor vets were open on a national holiday honoring those very same vets they proclaim to support....being the kind of guy who just loves to stir the pot...i decided to do some investigative jounalism...1st up lowes, a popular hardware/do it yourself store..i approached a guy who looked like someone who might have served and asked if he did...no, but i know several guys here who did. he pointed out a guy and i went to have a chat..yes, i served in iraq during the 1st invasion in 2003, there are about 10 of us working here who served....my next question:don't you find it hypocritical that the place you work for professes to honor vets, but has you working on vets day...yeah it pisses me off that people who work in offices and banks who never served a day get the day off but not people who actually served...so my next quest was to locate the manager and pose a question or 2. well to make it short the manager told me that she doesn't make policy, it comes from corporate...well i said have you ever mentioned that this or any other policy might be wrong? no way, corporate says it i do it...that is how i got to be manager!!!!

there you go...exactly what is wrong with american business!!!

next up was walmart...this did not go so well, i was actually escorted out the door-this is true!!! i almost asked them what happened to freedom of speech, but judging the nature by which i was excoted out i was affraid they might call the police and have me arrested...

isn't america great...got to love all this 'FREEDOM'.......i am on a crusade to make corporate america fess up to being the soulless, greedy bastards that they really are...


veterans day my arse...

 

[Touey]

since i seem to have much more free time than ever before in my life, i was riding around in my automobile...being a veteran myself i was struck by all the storefronts with signs saying we salute our veterans, we support our troops...and so on.

what hit me as dishonest was very those stores who proclaimed to honor vets were open on a national holiday honoring those very same vets they proclaim to support....being the kind of guy who just loves to stir the pot...i decided to do some investigative jounalism...1st up lowes, a popular hardware/do it yourself store..i approached a guy who looked like someone who might have served and asked if he did...no, but i know several guys here who did. he pointed out a guy and i went to have a chat..yes, i served in iraq during the 1st invasion in 2003, there are about 10 of us working here who served....my next question:don't you find it hypocritical that the place you work for professes to honor vets, but has you working on vets day...yeah it pisses me off that people who work in offices and banks who never served a day get the day off but not people who actually served...so my next quest was to locate the manager and pose a question or 2. well to make it short the manager told me that she doesn't make policy, it comes from corporate...well i said have you ever mentioned that this or any other policy might be wrong? no way, corporate says it i do it...that is how i got to be manager!!!!

there you go...exactly what is wrong with american business!!!

next up was walmart...this did not go so well, i was actually escorted out the door-this is true!!! i almost asked them what happened to freedom of speech, but judging the nature by which i was excoted out i was affraid they might call the police and have me arrested...

isn't america great...got to love all this 'FREEDOM'.......i am on a crusade to make corporate america fess up to being the soulless, greedy bastards that they really are...


veterans day my arse...

This I think is a very interesting read I wish more would post up on a real life things on this. laugh when she "that is how i got to be manager" This also is enlightening on the ways of today at least American. I can no believe they a throwing out the walmart..

One thing happen to my out cycling on morning then seeing funny a bumper sticker to say "Legalize the Constitution"

 

[Beau]

Touey - I am starting to think you believe President Soetoro Obama (Ramma Lamma) is Owl Shyte - is this correct?

I don't disagree - but need to warn you. There are going to be a lot of pissed off ....




























Owls.

 

[Touey]

Touey - I am starting to think you believe President Soetoro Obama (Ramma Lamma) is Owl Shyte - is this correct?

I don't disagree - but need to warn you. There are going to be a lot of pissed off ....




























Owls.

He is a human being he is a misguided on much and he need help

 

[ax1]

next up was walmart...this did not go so well, i was actually escorted out the door-this is true!!! i almost asked them what happened to freedom of speech, but judging the nature by which i was excoted out i was affraid they might call the police and have me arrested...

isn't america great...got to love all this 'FREEDOM'.......i am on a crusade to make corporate america fess up to being the soulless, greedy bastards that they really are...


veterans day my arse...

Thats messed up...the corporate world should acknowledge the vets by giving them at least a paid day off today and let the rest of the people run the business.

But yeah...veterans day my arse...How come the mainstream media that is praising the veterans arent showing these scenes that took place in Washington DC last month when they ripped down the barricade that closed down the vets memorial and were bringing it to the white house.....

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[ax1]

He is a human being he is a misguided on much and he need help

Yes...he needs help like any other criminal and serve time behind bars for treason, murder and multiple war crimes.

 

[thebigt]

He is a human being he is a misguided on much and he need help

i agree, we need to feel sorry for obama....can you imagine being that smug, and clueless at the same time.... must be tough!!!


about as bad as proclaiming to honor vets...then making them work on the national holiday honoring them, while non vets get the day off with pay.


business can do what they want....but don't bullsh1t about honoring vets...lying bastards!!!

 

[thebigt]

Thats messed up...the corporate world should acknowledge the vets by giving them at least a paid day off today and let the rest of the people run the business.

But yeah...veterans day my arse...How come the mainstream media that is praising the veterans arent showing these scenes that took place in Washington DC last month when they ripped down the barricade that closed down the vets memorial and were bringing it to the white house.....

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yup...most vets work in blue collar jobs and probably never get a vet day off, i know i never did and i worked for a very large multi national....while office workers who never served a day get the day off WITH PAY...yeah right...honor vets my ass.

don't give vets the day off that is fine but don't say you honor them

 

[thebigt]

Yes...he needs help like any other criminal and serve time behind bars for treason, murder and multiple war crimes.

if the truth be known...which it never will...that could be said of most politicians at the federal level...those at the local level have their own set of crimes!!!

 

[ax1]

yup...most vets work in blue collar jobs and probably never get a vet day off, i know i never did and i worked for a very large multi national....while office workers who never served a day get the day off WITH PAY...yeah right...honor vets my ass.

don't give vets the day off that is fine but don't say you honor them

But if you work for Government its party all day long, woot!!!!

• Federal offices: Closed.
• State offices: Closed.
• County offices: Closed.
• City offices: Closed.
• Banks: Closed.
• Courts: Closed.
• Schools: Open with a two-hour early dismissal.
• Libraries: Open.
• Senior centers: Closed.
• Post offices: Closed.

 

[Beau]

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed policies and needs to resign.

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[ax1]

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed unconstitutional policies, has abused illegal powers under the executive branch and needs to be impeached and arrested.

I fixed it. Things got scrambled in translation.

Fixed again

 

[Beau]

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed unconstitutional policies, has abused illegal powers under the executive branch and needs to be impeached and arrested.

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Excellent.

 

[Touey]

Yes...he needs help like any other criminal and serve time behind bars for treason, murder and multiple war crimes.

Well one thing certain if he no get a some help many suffer many innocent casualties

 

[thebigt]

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed policies and needs to resign.

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beau, i think you and i agree on more things than not...but you have to understand that there HAS to be income redistribution in order for this country to survive...either willingly by increased wages, or by government reform. the poor are being so squeezed it is getting harder and harder for them to survive...whatever the reason for them being poor has little to do with the fact that they are poor.

things to consider about the poor:
highest percent of mental health issues, many of whom go untreated

many are vets...those same guys we proclaim to honor

many work full time jobs


many at one time held non-poverty level jobs


last but most important...there are many more poor than rich

 

[Touey]

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed policies and needs to resign.

I fixed it. Things got scrambled in translation.

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed unconstitutional policies, has abused illegal powers under the executive branch and needs to be impeached and arrested.

Fixed again

Thank ax1 I think Beau did not take the time proper for translation

 

[Beau]

He is an elitist that disingenuously makes every effort to make it appear he is for the common man, although that is far from the truth, and this whole ruse is nothing more than a scheme to make everyone more fully dependent on the Government, and ALL about income redistribution, and very little to do with the quality of health care (which will invariably drop), and Mr. Soetoro has terribly flawed policies and needs to resign.

beau, i think you and i agree on more things than not...but you have to understand that there HAS to be income redistribution in order for this country to survive...either willingly by increased wages, or by government reform. the poor are being so squeezed it is getting harder and harder for them to survive...whatever the reason for them being poor has little to do with the fact that they are poor.

things to consider about the poor:
highest percent of mental health issues, many of whom go untreated

many are vets...those same guys we proclaim to honor

many work full time jobs


many at one time held non-poverty level jobs


last but most important...there are many more poor than rich

Income redistribution is now handled via the IRS. What I object to is additional steps to take additional money from taxpayers, and call it being magnanimous.

Making the poor completely dependent on the Government will only seal their fate.

Look at the political machines from Chicago and Detroit (and many others). They have been operating this way for 80 years; the problem is self-perpetuating. The Government has intentionally and willfully perfected perpetual motion.

Obama cell phone programs (hey, a cell phone is a necessity), Obamacare, food stamp programs (which are now widely advertised on TV and radio), IRS doofus-like behavior paying refunds to people who claim animals as dependents; it’s all waste and stupidity.

The morons in the LA Unified School district are now involved in a multi-billion dollar program to outfit all school kids with an Ipad. Now that will help them learn (Facebook, perhaps).

Programs like California's unwanted high speed train, for which is there is no taxpayer support and no demand, are uber-expensive Government boondogles, intended to fuel the economy with tax dollars and leave us with an expensive albatross.

WE are all getting an Obama prostrate exam, whether we want or need it, or not.

But what we don’t have are programs to provide individual and corporate incentives to do things that, in the long run, develop the individual and grow the economy.

What HAS grown the economy so far? The financial abortion known as quantitative easing (you know, artificially and recklessly pumping money into the economy so it looks like we are doing better than we are). That mind set says “we must have money left in the checking account, because we still have some blank checks”.

The way our Government has CRAPPED on veterans is atrocious. WE should ALL be ashamed for allowing that to happen.

Raising the minimum wage will actually hurt this country FAR more than it will help. If you haven't, take a look (for exampe in this AM's news) in how many jobs (including those for U.S and foreign auto makers) are being lost to Mexico. Why? Lower wages.

 

[Touey]

lol the obamabutter has infiltrate this thread havoc wreaking postings

 

[ax1]

WE are all getting an Obama prostrate exam, whether we want or need it, or not.

Hmmm....does he charge for that? Or does the marketplace silver plan cover that?

 

[thebigt]

Income redistribution is now handled via the IRS. What I object to is additional steps to take additional money from taxpayers, and call it being magnanimous.

Making the poor completely dependent on the Government will only seal their fate.

Look at the political machines from Chicago and Detroit (and many others). They have been operating this way for 80 years; the problem is self-perpetuating. The Government has intentionally and willfully perfected perpetual motion.

Obama cell phone programs (hey, a cell phone is a necessity), Obamacare, food stamp programs (which are now widely advertised on TV and radio), IRS doofus-like behavior paying refunds to people who claim animals as dependents; it’s all waste and stupidity.

The morons in the LA Unified School district are now involved in a multi-billion dollar program to outfit all school kids with an Ipad. Now that will help them learn (Facebook, perhaps).

Programs like California's unwanted high speed train, for which is there is no taxpayer support and no demand, are uber-expensive Government boondogles, intended to fuel the economy with tax dollars and leave us with an expensive albatross.

WE are all getting an Obama prostrate exam, whether we want or need it, or not.

But what we don’t have are programs to provide individual and corporate incentives to do things that, in the long run, develop the individual and grow the economy.

What HAS grown the economy so far? The financial abortion known as quantitative easing (you know, artificially and recklessly pumping money into the economy so it looks like we are doing better than we are). That mind set says “we must have money left in the checking account, because we still have some blank checks”.

The way our Government has CRAPPED on veterans is atrocious. WE should ALL be ashamed for allowing that to happen.

Raising the minimum wage will actually hurt this country FAR more than it will help. If you haven't, take a look (for exampe in this AM's news) in how many jobs (including those for U.S and foreign auto makers) are being lost to Mexico. Why? Lower wages.

why do we lose jobs to mexico, low wages...with that being said mexico city is considered the worst city in the world for crime...you want to live there???

if we do not take money out of the hands of the rich and put some of it in the hands of the poor there will be a lot higher price to pay than taxes...put this in the bank.....

if we do not reditribute wealth in this country this country will no longer exist as we know it...the only way to control crime will be to turn this country into a total police state, which might just be what the government has been wanting all along....and people who believe like you do are playing right into their hands....

i have lived under martial law when in the phillipines, it is not a fun time!!!

 

[ax1]

if we do not take money out of the hands of the rich and put some of it in the hands of the poor there will be a lot higher price to pay than taxes...put this in the bank.....

if we do not reditribute wealth in this country this country will no longer exist as we know it...the only way to control crime will be to turn this country into a total police state, which might just be what the government has been wanting all along....and people who believe like you do are playing right into their hands....

i have lived under martial law when in the phillipines, it is not a fun time!!!

Rich people have already been moving overseas away from here to more tax friendly countries such as Singapore or Switzerland. On the other hand, many Chinese millionaires and other parts of the globe are are moving to the USA for investments.

I can imaging a scene where goverment increases taxes on the rich to the point where the later will follow the footsteps of the former I mentioned. I can also imagine China opening the doors further to rich entrepreneurs in the future leaving the USA with very little and turning into a 3rd world ses pool.

 

[Beau]

why do we lose jobs to mexico, low wages...with that being said mexico city is considered the worst city in the world for crime...you want to live there???

if we do not take money out of the hands of the rich and put some of it in the hands of the poor there will be a lot higher price to pay than taxes...put this in the bank.....

if we do not reditribute wealth in this country this country will no longer exist as we know it...the only way to control crime will be to turn this country into a total police state, which might just be what the government has been wanting all along....and people who believe like you do are playing right into their hands....

i have lived under martial law when in the phillipines, it is not a fun time!!!

We do not need to take money from the rich and put it in the hands of the poor.

We need to incentivize the poor to develop themselves and make money on their own.

It isn’t us or them, it can be us and them; rather all of us – earning our own way.

What is it that the rich (who have earned their money) owe the poor (who the rich did not take money from)?

Why must the “haves” (who presumably at one time were “have nots”) subsidize the “have nots”? No one has subsidized me. I have earned everything I have busted my ass for.

So again, on what basis are the rich obligated to give money to the poor?

In a capitalist economic system, each must earn their own way, and plan for the future.

 

[thebigt]

r

We do not need to take money from the rich and put it in the hands of the poor.

We need to incentivize the poor to develop themselves and make money on their own.

It isn’t us or them, it can be us and them; rather all of us – earning our own way.

What is it that the rich (who have earned their money) owe the poor (who the rich did not take money from)?

Why must the “haves” (who presumably at one time were “have nots”) subsidize the “have nots”? No one has subsidized me. I have earned everything I have busted my ass for.

So again, on what basis are the rich obligated to give money to the poor?

In a capitalist economic system, each must earn their own way, and plan for the future.

dude...you don't get it....the poor don't need a long term plan. their goal is to survive thru the day....

i hope you have plenty of weapons for when the poor come calling....better arm you wife and kids, tell them the poor are dirty rotten people who didn't go to college and get a lot of breaks in life...shoot em, they deserve to die...


what would you do if tomorrow you had no job, no savings nothing but bills and your kids were hungry...and you had no prospects of getting a job other than minimum wage...hold up a liquor store maybe? or better yet break into a house? or just rob someone on the street?

try to sell a 'better your life' plan to someone whose kids are hungry....hope you are armed when you tell them it's because they were too stupid and lazy to go to college and that is why their kids are hungry...


you call obama elitist...but the last sentence you made in that quote sounds plenty elitist to me...

i hate obama....but republicans calling obama an elitist is a f'ing joke

 

[Touey]

obama is an shoes wearing the soles off the bottom community organizer from the ground up elitist that no help to middleclass nor poor

 

[thebigt]

Rich people have already been moving overseas away from here to more tax friendly countries such as Singapore or Switzerland. On the other hand, many Chinese millionaires and other parts of the globe are are moving to the USA for investments.

I can imaging a scene where goverment increases taxes on the rich to the point where the later will follow the footsteps of the former I mentioned. I can also imagine China opening the doors further to rich entrepreneurs in the future leaving the USA with very little and turning into a 3rd world ses pool.

they take their money and run .then take away their g-dammed citizenship, they don't deserve it...probably never did, the greedy bastards...talk about the captains abondoning the ship, court martial the traitors...hang them from the nearest f'ing tree...the sonsof bitches....


thats what i say to that!!!

 

[ax1]

obama is an shoes wearing the soles off the bottom community organizer from the ground up elitist that no help to anyone rich nor poor

He comes from a CIA family, and even his stepfather was an Exxon executive and Corporal for one of the most brutal dictators in world history.

Anyways, no matter what his past all his policies are pro military industrial complex, police state and corporatist/fascist. He only helps the top get richer and more powerful.

 

[thebigt]

He comes from a CIA family, and even his stepfather was an Exxon executive and Corporal for one of the most brutal dictators in world history.

Anyways, no matter what his past all his policies are pro military industrial complete, police state and corporatist/fascist. He only helps the top get richer and more powerful.

obama is a tool

 

[Touey]

obama is an shoes wearing the soles off the bottom community organizer from the ground up elitist that no help to middleclass nor poor

He comes from a CIA family, and even his stepfather was an Exxon executive and Corporal for one of the most brutal dictators in world history.



Anyways, no matter what his past all his policies are pro military industrial complete, police state and corporatist/fascist. He only helps the top get richer and more powerful.

I make some mistake on original apologies ax1 little to swift on teh post quick reply for touey

 

[Beau]

r

dude...you don't get it....the poor don't need a long term plan. their goal is to survive thru the day....

i hope you have plenty of weapons for when the poor come calling....better arm you wife and kids, tell them the poor are dirty rotten people who didn't go to college and get a lot of breaks in life...shoot em, they deserve to die...


what would you do if tomorrow you had no job, no savings nothing but bills and your kids were hungry...and you had no prospects of getting a job other than minimum wage...hold up a liquor store maybe? or better yet break into a house? or just rob someone on the street?

try to sell a 'better your life' plan to someone whose kids are hungry....hope you are armed when you tell them it's because they were too stupid and lazy to go to college and that is why their kids are hungry...


you call obama elitist...but the last sentence you made in that quote sounds plenty elitist to me...

i hate obama....but republicans calling obama an elitist is a f'ing joke

The last sentence is an economic reality and the foundation of our economic system. Nothing more.

Maybe this will temper the apparent sting out of what I wrote. People come across hard times during which they legitimately need help. My father lost his job in the mid 1970s. It was emotionally devastating for him. We, as a family, benefitted from unemployment benefits for so long as we had to. But, my Dad made damn sure he busted his butt to find another job. He accepted a position at a lower salary, because he had to. He didn’t look at this as an opportunity for some time off.

That is different than people who are 3rd or 4th generation welfare recipients. For three of four generations they have been receiving a hand out. That isn't something to bridge them through a crisis. That is a prevailing lifestyle. And that lifestyle is tragic.

There is a parable about handing someone a fish, vs. teaching them to fish. That is what I am talking about. I do not want anyone living in abject poverty. I want people to prosper.

As to your mistaken view of my views on the poor, you have no idea how many hundreds of hours I have spent through my church helping others; raising funds, supporting people, being involved in homeless programs. But you probably wouldn’t have thought that. What I choose to do to help others is much different than what I believe should be the role of Government. The role of Government is not to be Robin Hood. They don't give from themselves; they give from taking from others. There are entire industries based on, and which profit from, the government programs of this nature.

A short term program to assist other is needed and necessary. A long term program to subsidize people with the proceeds from others is wrong.

 

[thebigt]

He comes from a CIA family, and even his stepfather was an Exxon executive and Corporal for one of the most brutal dictators in world history.

Anyways, no matter what his past all his policies are pro military industrial complex, police state and corporatist/fascist. He only helps the top get richer and more powerful.

sounds a lot like george bush....both of them....

 

[thebigt]

r

The last sentence is an economic reality and the foundation of our economic system. Nothing more.

Maybe this will temper the apparent sting out of what I wrote. People come across hard times during which they legitimately need help. My father lost his job in the mid 1970s. It was emotionally devastating for him. We, as a family, benefitted from unemployment benefits for so long as we had to. But, my Dad made damn sure he busted his butt to find another job. He accepted a position at a lower salary, because he had to. He didn’t look at this as an opportunity for some time off.

That is different than people who are 3rd or 4th generation welfare recipients. For three of four generations they have been receiving a hand out. That isn't something to bridge them through a crisis. That is a prevailing lifestyle. And that lifestyle is tragic.

There is a parable about handing someone a fish, vs. teaching them to fish. That is what I am talking about. I do not want anyone living in abject poverty. I want people to prosper.

As to your mistaken view of my views on the poor, you have no idea how many hundreds of hours I have spent through my church helping others; raising funds, supporting people, being involved in homeless programs. But you probably wouldn’t have thought that. What I choose to do to help others is much different than what I believe should be the role of Government. The role of Government is not to be Robin Hood. They don't give from themselves; they give from taking from others. There are entire industries based on, and which profit from, the government programs of this nature.

A short term program to assist other is needed and necessary. A long term program to subsidize people with the proceeds from others is wrong.

dude...you take away every subsidy, all of them....i bet within a week total anarchy will be the rule.

you know those pics you see on tv about those impoverished kids in the philipines....well guess there isn't any subsidies in the philipines....marcos had to institute martial law to keep the communist from taking over. take away subsidies in a country as heavily armed as the united states what do you think you are going to get?

 

[ax1]

What I choose to do to help others is much different than what I believe should be the role of Government. The role of Government is not to be Robin Hood. They don't give from themselves; they give from taking from others. There are entire industries based on, and which profit from, the government programs of this nature.

The fact is you cant trust goverment, goverment by nature is evil. Even if there is a compassionate goverment, the question is not if but when will it be infiltrated and taken over by evil. Best to limit goverment powers and not let them put their grubby hands on our paychecks.

 

[ax1]

r

dude...you take away every subsidy, all of them....i bet within a week total anarchy will be the rule.

you know those pics you see on tv about those impoverished kids in the philipines....well guess there isn't any subsidies in the philipines....marcos had to institute martial law to keep the communist from taking over. take away subsidies in a country as heavily armed as the united states what do you think you are going to get?

You would never just end subsidies overnight. You need to start with many things and slowly phase them out. We can start with auditing the Federal Reserve and then getting rid of it. The people need a stable currency before we do anything.

There are many ideas we can do to help the poor and try to lift them up and support them.

 

[Beau]

r

dude...you take away every subsidy, all of them....i bet within a week total anarchy will be the rule.

you know those pics you see on tv about those impoverished kids in the philipines....well guess there isn't any subsidies in the philipines....marcos had to institute martial law to keep the communist from taking over. take away subsidies in a country as heavily armed as the united states what do you think you are going to get?

I never said take away all subsidies. I don't think that would make any sense.

You know those commercials that have been running for the past 40 years about kids starving in impoverished countries; well, they still are. Those kids, or the ancestors, are still starving. The reason is because the money only treats a symptom, but it does not address the problem. The problem is that there isn't sufficient economic propserity and growth. Hand outs (at least not by themselves and certainly not in the long run) do not address or correct that.

If I am incorrect, please tell me how a hand out corrects the long term issue over time.

 

[ax1]

I never said take away all subsidies. I don't think that would make any sense.

You know those commercials that have been running for the past 40 years about kids starving in impoverished countries; well, they still are. Those kids, or the ancestors, are still starving. The reason is because the money only treats a symptom, but it does not address the problem. The problem is that there isn't sufficient economic propserity and growth. Hand outs (at least not by themselves and certainly not in the long run) do not address or correct that.

If I am incorrect, please tell me how a hand out corrects the long term issue over time.

And with all our subsidies and handouts, we still have extreme poverty and homelessness across the country. We can tax the Rich 90% and we still will have extreme poverty and homelessness, probably will end up with more in the long run.

 

[thebigt]

And with all our subsidies and handouts, we still have extreme poverty and homelessness across the country. We can tax the Rich 90% and we still will have extreme poverty and homelessness, probably will end up with more in the long run.

it all comes full circle....the rich don't pay squat in actual taxes that go to help the economy...they have much better lawyers than the government lawyers who write the tax laws ...he who has the best lawyers wins...warren buffet said he pays a lower percentage of tax than his secretary, if you tax the rich 90% i will still pay a higher % than they will.....

now we get down to it...the rich control business...if their dumb greedy asses would reaize that paying a fair wage for an honest days work would not only mean less people qualifying for subsidies, which not only would reduce taxes for everyone...but it would put more money into the hands of people who will spend more money, which not only is good for the economy...it is also good for them, more money in the hands of poor people will absolutely generate more sales=more profits...

i f'ing guarantee it!!!!

 

[ax1]

it all comes full circle....the rich don't pay squat in actual taxes that go to help the economy...they have much better lawyers than the government lawyers who write the tax laws ...he who has the best lawyers wins...warren buffet said he pays a lower percentage of tax than his secretary, if you tax the rich 90% i will still pay a higher % than they will.....

now we get down to it...the rich control business...if their dumb greedy asses would reaize that paying a fair wage for an honest days work would not only mean less people qualifying for subsidies, which not only would reduce taxes for everyone...but it would put more money into the hands of people who will spend more money, which not only is good for the economy...it is also good for them, more money in the hands of poor people will absolutely generate more sales=more profits...

i f'ing guarantee it!!!!

On the other hand if we address issues as to why the cost of life keeps going up (energy, inflation, fake currency, taxes, mandates such as Obamacare) people will also have more money to spend.

The issue is we can mandate $14 minimum wage, but in just a few years thats not livable anymore. Before you know it $50 an hour is only livable.