ya well i've used wms products for a while, i used to use kwik carb alot, then switched to carbslam... i ran out today and had a full tub of kwik carb, maybe i just forgot how it tastes and smells.. i just dont remember it being like this.. it was hard for me to drink it today.. and i mix it with the same thing i always have preWout... i guess the switch is what made me notice the flavor.. i will def be sticking with carbslam from now on though i can say that much for sure...