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Not that it matters but androgens have more than one pathway to causing water retention. Androgens cause sodium retention similar to GH. Some worse than others and a general rule of thumb is the longer the ester, the higher the sodium retention. This is especially true with aromatizing steroids.

So an AI will keep fat gain around the waist down but dont be surprised if you still look a little blurry in places that are normally grainy and detailed. The only real fix to that is diuretic support and getting leaner.
 
fueledpassion said:
Not that it matters but androgens have more than one pathway to causing water retention. Androgens cause sodium retention similar to GH. Some worse than others and a general rule of thumb is the longer the ester, the higher the sodium retention. This is especially true with aromatizing steroids.

So an AI will keep fat gain around the waist down but dont be surprised if you still look a little blurry in places that are normally grainy and detailed. The only real fix to that is diuretic support and getting leaner.
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Im already on letro, I was originally taking armidex but it wasn't enough for the ment. so I should take diuretic support while bulking or save it for when I am leaning out. I know nothing about diuretic support..
 
Chados said:
No don't add masteron. Masteron is something that only really works on low body fat. You're not too fat to bulk but you should go for a lean bulk and my advice is primo, eq,winstrol.. add one of these, winstrol is fast and it's not something to be going for more than 6 weeks. Eq and primo are longer cycles and will put on more mass but not as lean as winstrol.. winstrol is a bit more, (the lower body fat you have the better).. I think all these will make a difference.
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this is so far from true, mast is very useful even at bf above 15%. maybe not as great as ppl below 10% but it still works and does a great job.
 
btur2915 said:
this is so far from true, mast is very useful even at bf above 15%. maybe not as great as ppl below 10% but it still works and does a great job.
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Based on what? It's known not to work that well , I never said it doesn't do anything. Winstrol also works at 50% body fat but you won't notice any difference. I bet dbol works too but not that good right?
 
big_pete said:
Im already on letro, I was originally taking armidex but it wasn't enough for the ment. so I should take diuretic support while bulking or save it for when I am leaning out. I know nothing about diuretic support..
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If staying dry matters to you yes, run a mild diuretic. If you have high blood pressure, yes, also take a diuretic. Suggestions include:

1) ACE-II Inhibitor such as Lisinipril or Enalipril daily

2) Aldactone preferrably or HCTZ
 
fueledpassion said:
If staying dry matters to you yes, run a mild diuretic. If you have high blood pressure, yes, also take a diuretic. Suggestions include:

1) ACE-II Inhibitor such as Lisinipril or Enalipril daily

2) Aldactone preferrably or HCTZ
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having a hard time finding these but thanks bro ill keep looking
 
Chados said:
Based on what? It's known not to work that well , I never said it doesn't do anything. Winstrol also works at 50% body fat but you won't notice any difference. I bet dbol works too but not that good right?
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based on what? personal experience. i ran it when i was 14%, it did a great job combating estrogen/prolactin sides and improving mood, hardness, increasing free test, and reducing water.

that isnt useful?
 
Chados said:
Based on what? It's known not to work that well , I never said it doesn't do anything. Winstrol also works at 50% body fat but you won't notice any difference. I bet dbol works too but not that good right?
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just because you read something someone else said on a forum doesnt mean you need to regurgitate it over and over. there are synergies out using 19-nor's with dht compounds that aren't really disputed. if you are above 20% you shouldnt be running any gear at all, but if you are say 15 or so yes it has uses
 
Just because I've read it? I know how these things work and just because it's possible to get results doesn't mean that it's effective. Masteron is easily together with the opposite in dbol the worst steroids to take it you're not in shape. All these cutters works better for people with low bf and there's no point taking it over something like and eq primo stack.
 
Chados said:
Just because I've read it? I know how these things work and just because it's possible to get results doesn't mean that it's effective. Masteron is easily together with the opposite in dbol the worst steroids to take it you're not in shape. All these cutters works better for people with low bf and there's no point taking it over something like and eq primo stack.
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i am not talking about dbol. i am talking npp and mast. yes there is a point to taking it over eq and primo. 1) it is soooo much cheaper plus not affordable for many people and 2) it was better synergy as eq and primo are very similar in results.
 
btur2915 said:
i am not talking about dbol. i am talking npp and mast. yes there is a point to taking it over eq and primo. 1) it is soooo much cheaper plus not affordable for many people and 2) it was better synergy as eq and primo are very similar in results.
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Sure for some people I can agree, price I can agree but you gotta think about health and benefits for an individual. As far as getting abs goes you don't pick deca over eq in ny opinion. Even if the results can be amazing why take a legit bulking steroid above lean gains of you wanna loose fat? And masteron is fantastic but I strongly disagree it's gonna be more beneficial here.
 
Just tried npp for first time and I expected joint relief and size that deca gives in short time, It didn't feel anything like deca, I did notice I couldn't hardly get sore for more than a day after training, if my npp was good then I'd say Deca is better, but like alot of people say, depends on urr body type, how u react, and what u want. I'm skinny as hell and cutting for me is the easiest thing in the world, I weight 190, and I can cut to 170 and hold it there in 10 days with minimal effort actually no effort cause all my effort is to block my body from cutting on its own, I stay ripped and vascular as hell on dbol, and I feel like superman on it, tbol puts on weight and half the strength dbol does for me and I don't "feel" any different, but deca is the only thing that kinda gives me moon face and I kinda like it lol, a bombs I could pass on too, makes me horns at first and good pumps but not the strength everyone else gets from it, I get big on deca on only 200 a week, and joints feel great, npp no joint relief for me and that's the deal breaker, it's so nice for old shoulder injuries to disappear and heal up on deca :)
 
Chados said:
Sure for some people I can agree, price I can agree but you gotta think about health and benefits for an individual. As far as getting abs goes you don't pick deca over eq in ny opinion. Even if the results can be amazing why take a legit bulking steroid above lean gains of you wanna loose fat? And masteron is fantastic but I strongly disagree it's gonna be more beneficial here.
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i am not a believer that there are bulking steroids. diet determines all. i have cut on deca - worked great. obviously you retain more water that some other options but that is largely diet dependent and bloat is easy to get rid of.

masteron can be beneficial in just about any cycle as long as you use it right. but you could also use 10mg winny a day or 25mg 3x per week. same concept - 19-nor + dht + test = great cycle.
 
btur2915 said:
i am not a believer that there are bulking steroids. diet determines all. i have cut on deca - worked great. obviously you retain more water that some other options but that is largely diet dependent and bloat is easy to get rid of.

masteron can be beneficial in just about any cycle as long as you use it right. but you could also use 10mg winny a day or 25mg 3x per week. same concept - 19-nor + dht + test = great cycle.
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I like masteron personally but I've always been quite lean, however winstrol beats masteron until you're at a lower body fat at least. Thing with masteron is just what you stated it works (stacked) with other compounds. If you go with 3-5 compounds of course masteron will help to lean you out no matter what size. I think masteron is a bit more advanced as a cycle than winstrol and you need to eat much cleaner
 
btur2915 said:
i am not a believer that there are bulking steroids. diet determines all. i have cut on deca - worked great. obviously you retain more water that some other options but that is largely diet dependent and bloat is easy to get rid of.

masteron can be beneficial in just about any cycle as long as you use it right. but you could also use 10mg winny a day or 25mg 3x per week. same concept - 19-nor + dht + test = great cycle.
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I agree diet determines all. I kno winstrol is dht is masteron dht as well?
 
Chados said:
I like masteron personally but I've always been quite lean, however winstrol beats masteron until you're at a lower body fat at least. Thing with masteron is just what you stated it works (stacked) with other compounds. If you go with 3-5 compounds of course masteron will help to lean you out no matter what size. I think masteron is a bit more advanced as a cycle than winstrol and you need to eat much cleaner
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this might be a dumb question but I'm gana ask it anyway. could you use winstrol and masteron together?
 
big_pete said:
interesting. you guys ever ran them both together?
I imagine it would be quite effective and spendy.
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Steroid cycling is a jungle. For me personally I know I would be effective cause im at a low bodyfat. Masteron by itself wouldn't be effective for the general person but I could see it do it's thing even at higher body fat if stacked with winstrol but I don't see the results being remarkable.

I also like primo stacked with these but it's expensive
 
Chados said:
Steroid cycling is a jungle. For me personally I know I would be effective cause im at a low bodyfat. Masteron by itself wouldn't be effective for the general person but I could see it do it's thing even at higher body fat if stacked with winstrol but I don't see the results being remarkable.

I also like primo stacked with these but it's expensive
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so much to choose from! so when ur cutting with these drugs is will you still loose muscle along with fat like natti cutting?
 
big_pete said:
so much to choose from! so when ur cutting with these drugs is will you still loose muscle along with fat like natti cutting?
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With steroids you can build muscles. Steroids aren't fatburners, they help you build muscle and winstrol will make you hard cause it decreases the bloat on you and will give you lean muscles easy to keep , while a bulker like dbol will do the opposite and make you look bloated.

Basically only you can decrease the musclemass and cut the fat
 
big_pete said:
interesting. you guys ever ran them both together?
I imagine it would be quite effective and spendy.
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i am doing so right meow. allows you to use less of each since they both have similar ways of presenting. winny is def stronger. really not pricey at all with a decent source. winny is dirt cheap and mast ... well it isnt but you dont need a whole lot unless you are going on stage.
 
btur2915 said:
i am doing so right meow. allows you to use less of each since they both have similar ways of presenting. winny is def stronger. really not pricey at all with a decent source. winny is dirt cheap and mast ... well it isnt but you dont need a whole lot unless you are going on stage.
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what are you dosing both at?
I would deff run the mast low I'm not going on stage for a year or 2
 
No but 25 is a bit low. I don't really see the point going under 40 but if you like it why not. It's safer that's for sure
 
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