I’ve been on for about 5 weeks. Biggest thing I’ve noticed is lean gains…no bloating from the dbol/npp combo and no weird side effects from having two 19 nors in the stack. The dbol has been the star of the show as I’ve ran a similar stack in the past and didn’t have the look or gains I’m getting now. I’m 6’1, currently 218 lbs
. Id be in for updates, food, training or gear there all interesting to me.
What made you decide to combine the 19's. Given the doses I wouldn't be worried but at the higher doses I heard lots of horror stories.
BP is completely normal. I take Carditone for that and works great. You’re right about food- thats 100% the hardest part of bodybuilding for me. I’m slowly developing habits around that though like meal prep- which is something I’ve never done. I’ve also found Animal meal to be super helpful in hitting my macros. Also cyclic dextrin as pre/intra/post workout for ensuring carbs. My goal is really just to have a great physique. My uncle was a Competitive bodybuilder in the 80’s and has been coaching me a bit.I'm shocked there's no bloat or gyno symptoms, being resilient to side effects is definitely a genetic bonus. You're just kind of hitting the peak of all these drugs so everything should really just be kicking into gear right now. I don't know what your overall goal is, but being lean and on those doses I'd be trying to push up my food and training volume a good bit and squeeze out as much as I could, I'd imagine you're strength has been going up significantly (this is usually where I would do something stupid and hurt myself). But yeah after goal is putting on size I'd be pushing the food and volume, Especially if you're feeling good and appetite is good. If you're going to stick around I'm interested in updates. You're probably going to get heckled a little bit by some guys for the doses, and the doses are pretty high, but at the same time I see plenty of people outside the forum running 2gm cycles. We're normally a little more dose conservative around here, but I like to see ppl push the gas pedal sometimes
What's BP looking like on this?
Well I wanted the size and joint relief from NPP, which is great for both, and the intensity/nutrient partitioning/strength from tren. I use a supplement called “Trensomnia” from Pro Muscle Labs to mitigate side effects and it surprisingly works really, really well. 10/10 recommend
Deca strictly at therapeutic dose for the joints; I have no back pain on it at this dose, it heals my strains from training faster, raises collagen synthesis and helps pad everything a little bit. Plus it keeps hydration/fullness up better while eating keto during the work week.
A lot of the anabolic influencers online take the position that Dbol is trash but I simply disagree. It is, to me, one of the best compounds I’ve tried next to NPP. I’ve only tried the orals but have 4 vials of injectable Dbol on the way. Looking forward to comparing it to the tablets.
My brovice is don’t take the injectable for too long - although it skips any gut stress & first pass on the liver, the solvents required to suspend it mean it’s actually worse for your cardiovascular system. Plus it adds a lot of frequent oil volume and can have some decent PIP from the solvent.
I was thinking about that yesterday, no bullshit. My thought was he could probably handle a lot of trestolone. There was someone here a while back running trest/tren/anadrol and saying no sides, I wish I was still resilient like that
I’ve used trest many times and saw decent results. Still have about 5 vials on hand. Replaced with NPP and haven’t turned back! Also tried Methyl Tren and didn’t compare to dbol or Anadrol for me. Superdrol is another oral I respond well to and see results almost instantly but rarely use it. I’ll typically use it if I know I’ll be somewhere with my shirt off a lot (vacation, pool party, etc).
What dose of Trest have you tried, and what dose did you like the best?
Yeah I was using 25mg per day of trest for 3 weeks then upped it to 50mg per day for weeks 4 and 5. It definitely gave a hardening effect like mast but not size like NPP. Mtren just made me feel loopy all day with no explosiveness at the gym which I had hoped for. I work out from 5-7am five days a week so I was using it as a pre-workout injection for 2 weeks before throwing in the towel. Going to work after the gym was just awful because I felt cracked out. Reminded me of my early 20’s when I’d go to work after pulling an all nighter lol. Dbol is the opposite. I feel explosive, and I feel good, like all is right in the world, and my pump lasts damn near all day. I brew my own test, mast and NPP now and considering my own dbol since these are my favorites.
Hardening from Trest just sounds crazy to me; I’ve never heard of that. Unless you were just undereating on it and leaning out so fast, because it can be a bit of metabolic powerhouse. But it can really give a feeling of fullness! Not as extracellular as Dbol, NPP, estrogen from test, but full as heck nonetheless.
Yeah not eating enough on trest could be why. I’ve struggled with eating enough (a surplus) in general, and still trying to crack that nut. I’m getting better though- just hard to eat when I feel full for hours!
Let there be no mistake - the training is the fun part. Everyone goes through times when you don’t feel like lifting, but the gym ultimately is the easy bit.
Thanks for the advice! For me it's steak, rice and canned green beans! I throw in some sourdough bread slices if I need to double up on carbs. It's expensive but you gotta eat to grow so worth it. I'm buying what I can from Costco now in bulk. I thought about buying a whole butchered cow and putting in a deep freezer to save even more $.
