NPP / Test - DHT<DHN

[Dominus]

Approaching the end of a 20 week cycle of Test/Deca, Deca swapped for NPP around week 12 due to quality concerns with the Deca. I’ve got about 3.5 weeks to go and I have started feeling like absolute **** in the gym. I admittedly have body dysmorphia, but I swear I am losing size as well as strength. Currently at 600mg Test cyp / 100mg NPP EOD. Estrogen is riding in the 60-90 range, prolactin was 15.7 at its highest, hovering around 12 now. The only thing I haven’t checked is DHT. I am wondering if DHN is competing against DHT, could this cause loss of muscle tissue? Erections have been lackluster as well. Wondering if Proviron would be the answer here, or I slowly back off the NPP while simultaneously increasing testosterone in hopes of sparking DHT (if labs indicate DHT is low).

diet has been pretty well on point, about 4000 calories a day currently.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Damn dude this sucks..it's gotta be something with the nandrolone. Big Paul and Dave Crossland are always talking about how once guys get older they can't run nandrolone anymore

 

[Hyde]

The erections being lackluster is certainly due to the NPP, and Proviron would certainly help that out a bit here.

As far as loss of size - it’s been over a month off the deca now, so you’re bound to have dropped some water retention. I know you mentioned quality concern, but even if it’s barely half as strong as advertised, a little Deca massively increases my aromatization. 150mg can bloat me pretty fast. NPP really is much drier at same dose.

And if the deca was underdosed, and now the NPP isn’t, you could actually be taking more nandrolone. Between that and more time/exposure occurring, the libido changes certainly aren’t crazy.

 

[Smont]

I highly doubt dht is low. Nandrolones can make you depressed and give you anxiety. I'm being a talking parrot right now but from my understanding a lot of guys tolerate Nandrolones for x amount of years and all the sudden they no longer can. Mikey mentioned something above about Paul Barnett and Dave Crossland. I believe both of them discovered in there late 40"s they couldn't use deca or npp any more

 

[Mikereyn513]

I highly doubt dht is low. Nandrolones can make you depressed and give you anxiety. I'm being a talking parrot right now but from my understanding a lot of guys tolerate Nandrolones for x amount of years and all the sudden they no longer can. Mikey mentioned something above about Paul Barnett and Dave Crossland. I believe both of them discovered in there late 40"s they couldn't use deca or npp any more

It's the reason I'm gonna run eq and not deca in October. I just turned 42 and I don't even want to take a chance things are going to well. Also my body seems to respond really well to eq

 

[Smont]

It's the reason I'm gonna run eq and not deca in October. I just turned 42 and I don't even want to take a chance things are going to well. Also my body seems to respond really well to eq

It's funny, now that I'm getting older I'm leaning more twords deca/npp (for growth)but I've also used very little nandrolones in my life. But I still plan on building my cycles around test/eq and mast. Npp is something I've been wanting to work into future cycles. But you know me, IL pull the plug Hella fast if something goes wrong.

 

[Dominus]

It's the reason I'm gonna run eq and not deca in October. I just turned 42 and I don't even want to take a chance things are going to well. Also my body seems to respond really well to eq

This cycle has showed me that 19-Nors are probably not a good choice for me in my older years. I went into this one for experimentation, guess I got the data I needed lol. Going to cruise for a few months and then decide on the next one. Leaning towards EQ myself, I’ve always tolerated it well and I like the look I get on it.

 

[Dominus]

It's funny, now that I'm getting older I'm leaning more twords deca/npp (for growth)but I've also used very little nandrolones in my life. But I still plan on building my cycles around test/eq and mast. Npp is something I've been wanting to work into future cycles. But you know me, IL pull the plug Hella fast if something goes wrong.

I made some decent gains on the Deca… up about 15ish pretty clean pounds. It was so subtle I really didn’t notice until I hopped on the scale at about week 13. Everyone I encounter is telling me I look way bigger but I don’t see it, guess that’s the curse most of us have…. Never satisfied and always could be bigger.

 

[Smont]

I made some decent gains on the Deca… up about 15ish pretty clean pounds. It was so subtle I really didn’t notice until I hopped on the scale at about week 13. Everyone I encounter is telling me I look way bigger but I don’t see it, guess that’s the curse most of us have…. Never satisfied and always could be bigger.

I'm the same, I have to put on or loose close to 15-20lbs usually before I notice a ton of change. I don't actually care about the scale, that's just typically the amount of change that happens before I notice much. I usually base my cycles effectiveness on the changes in my log book until the mirror says otherwise

 

[Mikereyn513]

This cycle has showed me that 19-Nors are probably not a good choice for me in my older years. I went into this one for experimentation, guess I got the data I needed lol. Going to cruise for a few months and then decide on the next one. Leaning towards EQ myself, I’ve always tolerated it well and I like the look I get on it.

That's what most guys seem to be doing these days. Even nick walker runs eq in the off season with just a little npp. Big Paul and chase irons swear by test, primo, and eq. Chase has been running mast lately which I was what I'm gonna do. And we didn't even get into the neuro degeneration that deca causes, like most 19 nors ( think of what tren does to guys mentally) Again I haven't had any mental health issues on nandrolone but now that I'm getting closer to my mid 40s I'm not taking the chance

 

[Smont]

That's what most guys seem to be doing these days. Even nick walker runs eq in the off season with just a little npp. Big Paul and chase irons swear by test, primo, and eq. Chase has been running mast lately which I was what I'm gonna do. And we didn't even get into the neuro degeneration that deca causes, like most 19 nors ( think of what tren does to guys mentally) Again I haven't had any mental health issues on nandrolone but now that I'm getting closer to my mid 40s I'm not taking the chance

I don't think the link has much to do with age, I think it's more total accumulative use over the years. Thst certainly is the case with tren for many people. I assume deca to be the same. 42 year old Bob with 15 deca cycles will have more problems then 42 year old Mike with 2 deca cycles. At least that is my theory based on what I know on the topic

 

[Smont]

No gurentee here, just some educated guesses based on some science, some broscience and some hearsay

 

[Mikereyn513]

I don't think the link has much to do with age, I think it's more total accumulative use over the years. Thst certainly is the case with tren for many people. I assume deca to be the same. 42 year old Bob with 15 deca cycles will have more problems then 42 year old Mike with 2 deca cycles. At least that is my theory based on what I know on the topic

That's actually a good point...also it seems guys that have issues have also run nandrolone only cycles which I woukd never do

 

[Dominus]

That's what most guys seem to be doing these days. Even nick walker runs eq in the off season with just a little npp. Big Paul and chase irons swear by test, primo, and eq. Chase has been running mast lately which I was what I'm gonna do. And we didn't even get into the neuro degeneration that deca causes, like most 19 nors ( think of what tren does to guys mentally) Again I haven't had any mental health issues on nandrolone but now that I'm getting closer to my mid 40s I'm not taking the chance

I actually have a female client on Primo/EQ/ Anavar right now, seeing really good results. She’s women’s physique, IFBB pro. Granted she has to shave her face daily and has a clit the size of my flaccid penis lol. Happened long before I came into the picture though.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I actually have a female client on Primo/EQ/ Anavar right now, seeing really good results. She’s women’s physique, IFBB pro. Granted she has to shave her face daily and has a clit the size of my flaccid penis lol. Happened long before I came into the picture though.

That's a legit stack man or woman..I personally would add atleast a trt dose of test if I were to run it myself but anyone else for sure they're going to see results

 

[Dominus]

That's a legit stack man or woman..I personally would add atleast a trt dose of test if I were to run it myself but anyone else for sure they're going to see results

Same here on the test… I may give this exact stack a run plus the test beginning of next year

 

[Mikereyn513]

Same here on the test… I may give this exact stack a run plus the test beginning of next year

What lab do you prefer for your primo? Dragon or geneza or maybe a different one?

 

[Dominus]

What lab do you prefer for your primo? Dragon or geneza or maybe a different one?

I’ve been using a private/invite only source/lab lately that I am very pleased with. I have never seen the brand advertised on any of the boards but I was referred by a highly respected prep coach in the industry who I trust.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I’ve been using a private/invite only source/lab lately that I am very pleased with. I have never seen the brand advertised on any of the boards but I was referred by a highly respected prep coach in the industry who I trust.

Gotcha I wouldn't be able to afford what I woukd need as far as dose anyways more curious than anything

 

[Smont]

What lab do you prefer for your primo? Dragon or geneza or maybe a different one?

Gotcha I wouldn't be able to afford what I woukd need as far as dose anyways more curious than anything

I had a good source a while back but it would have cost me $90 per week basically just to get 10 weeks on primo. So I opted for masteron lol, like everyone else that's broke

 

[Dominus]

Gotcha I wouldn't be able to afford what I woukd need as far as dose anyways more curious than anything

This goes for 75 bucks, 100mg/Ml.

 

[BBiceps]

Gotcha I wouldn't be able to afford what I woukd need as far as dose anyways more curious than anything

It’s affordable Primo out there, or do like me, befriend a drug dealer and get the price he gets it for

 

[BBiceps]

This goes for 75 bucks, 100mg/Ml.

That’s pretty standard nowadays, 100mg/ml can be found cheaper though and if you get 200mg/ml it can even be cheaper than that.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I had a good source a while back but it would have cost me $90 per week basically just to get 10 weeks on primo. So I opted for masteron lol, like everyone else that's broke

Lol..yea if I had that kinda budget for gear I would rather up my growth and add slin

 

[Smont]

Lol..yea if I had that kinda budget for gear I would rather up my growth and add slin

Same, my first thought was if I wanna spend $100 a week it's gonna be on growth lol

 

[Smont]

It’s affordable Primo out there, or do like me, befriend a drug dealer and get the price he gets it for

I did that with the weed dispensary grower, gives me stuff for 1/3 the dispensary price

Honestly I'm about ready to be my own dealer lol. Talked to a home brew guy recently and it cost him about $7-10 to make a 10ml bottle of test and when he had primo raws it still only cost about $15-18 to make 10ml. I feel like someone could easily be selling basic stuff for 25-30 and the primo and exotic stuff 50-60 and completely take over the game lol

 

[Smont]

75 is not bad, especially if your just pounding test and primo. 1cc primo and 1/2cc test daily is 10 weeks on 700primo and 875test. The whole cycle minus ai and whatever you would normally have on hand is $685 or $68.50 per week. Very doable and a pretty big dose at 1.5gm/week

 

[Mikereyn513]

75 is not bad, especially if your just pounding test and primo. 1cc primo and 1/2cc test daily is 10 weeks on 700primo and 875test. The whole cycle minus ai and whatever you would normally have on hand is $685 or $68.50 per week. Very doable and a pretty big dose at 1.5gm/week

That's such a legit cycle maybe a little npp on the side

 

[Smont]

That's such a legit cycle maybe a little npp on the side

You read my mind

 

[Mikereyn513]

You read my mind

Great minds think alike brother

 

[Stopstalking2]

I’ve been running test/Deca/mast for 12 weeks so far. First time using mast and I do think it has been helping with aggression and erections compared to test/deca. I do take a daily Cialis but that’s all the time anyway