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Not Recovering, Please Help!!

j.swishh

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Hi everyone, please do not bash me seeing how that is not going to resolve anything but i would really appreciate your help. I have made some very stupid decisions in the past, I already know that and am paying the price now, so all i ask is if you can help or provide some input please post otherwise i already know what i did was idiotic, no need to let me know.

To begin i am currently 21 years old. I ran my first cycle at 19 which i believe was just hdrol and used nolva for PCT. I believe i ran the nolva at 20/20/20/20 but at this point i dont remember exact doses anymore.

Second cycle was probably about 6 months after the first cycle at age 20 and consisted of 500 mg testosterone enanthate /week for 11 weeks. adex was run during cycle and clomid and nolva for PCT.

Third and final and dumbest cycle of them all was blackstone labs super dmz with there trenabol prohormone for probably 4-6 weeks. clomid and nolva PCT.

Bloodwork Stupidly i never got bloodwork before the first hdrol cycle for a baseline but following that cycle right before i ran my second cycle of testosterone enanthate my bloods were as follows (12/11/12)
test- 670
lh - leutenizing hormone - -4.5
FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - -1.7
Estradiol- 33

Probably about 6 months after i finished my 3rd and last cycle i got bloodwork done (bloodwork was done march 2014) and it was as follows
test-558
lh - leutenizing hormone - -4
FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - - 1.8
Estradiol- 17.9

At this time I had very low libido, testes still a little atrophied, some ED, weak ejaculations and depression when i got that bloodwork done. I waited it out hoping everything would work it self out but my libido, ED, atrophied testes and depression remained. So in June 2014 or so i decided to try the scally power PCT to get everything back to normal again. I think he recommends 2000 or 2500 iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in it but i ran 1500 iu since thats what the amps came in. I finished this pct probably about 4-6 weeks ago and i still have all of the previous issues. I got bloodwork done yesterday and the results were as follows.
Test-467
lh - leutenizing hormone - -2.2
FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - -1.4
estradiol-25.2
prolactin-4.9

After doing tons of research and reading other posts I have no idea what to do at this point. I do not understand what is going in in my body, and why my test levels have continued to drop (last cycle was September 2013, test levels March 2014 were 558 and now test levels as of yesterday were 467) At 21 years old TRT is not something I am considering, and the fact that I am not getting any results in recovering is mentally and physically ruining my life. Please if you can, provide some input on what to do to fix this and get back to normal.

Thank you
 
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this exactly why it's not recommended to do cycles under 21 I hope this is not the case but it has happened where young people went on àas too early permanently damaged their system and needed trt for life hopefully your early cycles didn't do this too you best of luck
 
Your kinda at where I was at your age, no doc wanted to work with me so I supplied my self with the testosterone and paid for private labs and adjust doses of AI and other health issue, once the doc realized what I had potential to do with out there help they then took me under there wing and wrote the RX.
 
its not like 21 is a magic number where you would not have this problem, plus you ran a serm .
my advice would be to ask your doctor for help not us
 
letsdoitfool said:
its not like 21 is a magic number where you would not have this problem, plus you ran a serm .
my advice would be to ask your doctor for help not us
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No 21 is not a magic number just like everyone goes through puberty at different times however it's a pretty established fact that 18 and 19 is a high point for natural test production in a high percentage of males and when you interfere with that you the risk of complications is higher
 
I agree,personally i say 25 is a good age. My point was that he did his research like taking a serm and getting blood work. Most people wont even do that for when they first begin cycling. I know few people who started cycling at 14 with no pct and 8 years later they are still huge. It pretty much comes down to the individual.
 
Thank for the comments everyone, I understand why this is happening and how it's gonna be a rough road ahead but does anyone have any suggestions on how to make it up that road. And those suggesting find the right doctor to get a trt prescription, that is not what I am trying to do. I am hoping to actually recover and not be on test the rest of my life. Does anyone have any actual suggestions on how to go about recovering from here. From what I've searched online should I run hcg nolva and clomid again, should I do a real short text cycle and then a good pct? Please if you have any insight or suggestions to actually recover please post them
 
The only thing that anyone can really suggest is a clomid restart protocol. Best of luck to you homie
 
Are your blood tests being done in the early morning?
 
Yeah I agree, try a solid RX grade clomid restart. That could get your system back up and rolling. It's a shot in the dark, but worth a try.
 
Go to the doctor...tell them what you did....hopefully they can send you to an endo who can get you back on tract.

You cant compare RC to a pharma script. A good pharma script plus checking levels of prolactin and other hormone/markers will be benficial to you.

There may be more going on then just not recovering from past cycles.
 
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