Noob Supplement question

Getlifted99

Getlifted99

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Sup everyone! I'm new to the supplement game and wanted to give a few products a try. your thoughts regarding these products would be appreciated. My goals are muscle gain, weight loss, and hardening up. These products were a recommendation from a friend and are listed below.

Blackmarket DAA 3g per scoop.
Androgenix PCT

I plan on taking one scoop of DAA and one dose of PCT per day.

Will this be enough to accomplish my goals? Are there any major health concerns regarding this "stack"? Can I cycle this for a few weeks and then just stop taking them without any issues?

Thanks!
 
Why do you need a PCT for a DAA Product? you could do without out
Muscle Gain = Caloric Surplus
Weight Loss = Caloric Deficit
seems like you have your goals twisted, you will have to go a long long time to ever see results of both at the same time (Considering how long you have been lifting)

What is your diet and training plan like?
What is your cardio like?
Sometimes it may be "Easier" to pick one and chase it than try to do both, which is a lot harder for someone who is not very detailed with their training and diet.

Are you taking any other products/supplements? Are you covering your fishoil, multi, creatine or whey??
 
The Solution,

First, thanks for replying! Second, my understanding is that when using DAA, that increases natural test. When natural test goes up, so does estrogen. Is that correct? I think that is why I was suggested to take both. The PCT will hold down the increased production of PCT. Or so I was told.

I believe you're right by saying my goals are twisted and I apologize. It was the best way I could try and explain what I wanted to do lol.

I am taking a decent amount of prescription based fish oils for higher tryglicerides so I do have that covered. Currently I am trying to cover my protein through diet because the powder form really messes with my stomach. I also take a PWO (MP Assault).

I guess since I'm new, my main question is, is this stuff safe to take all together and will I see minor/major results? I know I need to maintain a strict and stable diet (which is hard bc I like food...all of it lol) but I'm trying. I also know I need to work harder on cardio.

I was getting frustrated with my results with no supplement interaction at all and thought it was time for a boost.

I'm sure these questions frustrate experienced people such as yourself, but I guess that's why I ask on here so I can get a real and honest answer.

I see so many guys with chiseled (what I call dry) looks and a lot of mass. And that's where I want to be I suppose. Like I said, I am not completely untrained at the gym, and have good results so far, I just feel like I want a bump and a little more result for what I do at the gym.

I hope I didn't make this even more confusing, it has been for me since there are millions of products out there with millions of people giving millions of testimonies lol.

Thanks again!
 
How old are you?

The PCT product is not needed for DAA regardless.

Effects on test from DAA will be minimal, differences are generally only noted if test is already very low from age or suppressed from anabolics.

That is why I asked your age, DAA will likely do nothing for you unless you are older.

I have alternate recommendations if this is the case.
 
Driven2lift,

I'm 37yrs old. I did go and have test levels checked a year ago bc I wanted to see if that test cream was available for me. That said, my levels were "normal". Well that's what I was told from my doctor. I really don't know what "normal" means, and should probably find out.

I like simple, and was hoping that DAA would boost my natural test, but friend suggested PCT to go with it once a day.
 
I'd be more inclined to go with a stack of x-gels+forskolin. I also liked Animal M Stak a lot.
 
Getlifted99 said:
Driven2lift, I'm 37yrs old. I did go and have test levels checked a year ago bc I wanted to see if that test cream was available for me. That said, my levels were "normal". Well that's what I was told from my doctor. I really don't know what "normal" means, and should probably find out. I like simple, and was hoping that DAA would boost my natural test, but friend suggested PCT to go with it once a day.
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DAA is a simple option for you to try then for sure.

Ask your friend his reasoning, because there is no need whatsoever for a PCT with DAA.

DAA is cheap in bulk and no harm in trying

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Or look into NMDA products, which some people find more effective

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That being said I would still suggest considering something other than DAA entirely, if you are looking for aesthetic body changes.

If you wanted to keep it simple I would suggest Forskolin, which also will raise test for you.
 
I appreciate the suggestion, and will most likely look into the other products, I already purchased these ones, so what the heck, I'll try anything once lol. If I don't need the PCT, maybe I'll leave that alone. Would be a shame since it's pretty expensive. Live ya learn I guess.

Thanks again!
 
Getlifted99 said:
I appreciate the suggestion, and will most likely look into the other products, I already purchased these ones, so what the heck, I'll try anything once lol. If I don't need the PCT, maybe I'll leave that alone. Would be a shame since it's pretty expensive. Live ya learn I guess. Thanks again!
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No issue using it, if anything it will just raise free test more for you I was just saying you didn't need it with DAA, good luck trying those out though brother
 
Getlifted99 said:
The Solution,

First, thanks for replying! Second, my understanding is that when using DAA, that increases natural test. When natural test goes up, so does estrogen. Is that correct? I think that is why I was suggested to take both. The PCT will hold down the increased production of PCT. Or so I was told.

it is not needed it a natural DAA product, no need for a PCT

I believe you're right by saying my goals are twisted and I apologize. It was the best way I could try and explain what I wanted to do lol.

Most people think they can do that, but in the reality of things, you just cannot or else you will mostly spin your wheels.

I am taking a decent amount of prescription based fish oils for higher tryglicerides so I do have that covered. Currently I am trying to cover my protein through diet because the powder form really messes with my stomach. I also take a PWO (MP Assault).

Aim for 2-3g EPA/DHA and i suggest Oxi-Omega as a great fish oil source if possible.
If powder messes with your stomach are you lactose intolerant? If so you may need an isolate, i would suggest Blue Star IsoSmooth or Allmax Isoflex

I guess since I'm new, my main question is, is this stuff safe to take all together and will I see minor/major results? I know I need to maintain a strict and stable diet (which is hard bc I like food...all of it lol) but I'm trying. I also know I need to work harder on cardio.

Creatine (5g), Multi ( a day Like Orange Triad or Animal Pak), Whey Protein to meet protein needs, and a good Fishoil like above.

If your goal is to gain some muscle cardio may be a bad idea, it is catabolic but needs to be limited. Your diet is key

I was getting frustrated with my results with no supplement interaction at all and thought it was time for a boost.

YOUR RESULTS COME FROM DIET/TRAINING, supps play such a minor part. You cannot supplement a bad diet.

I'm sure these questions frustrate experienced people such as yourself, but I guess that's why I ask on here so I can get a real and honest answer.

I see so many guys with chiseled (what I call dry) looks and a lot of mass. And that's where I want to be I suppose. Like I said, I am not completely untrained at the gym, and have good results so far, I just feel like I want a bump and a little more result for what I do at the gym.

I hope I didn't make this even more confusing, it has been for me since there are millions of products out there with millions of people giving millions of testimonies lol.

Thanks again!
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Id suggest reading these

Eat in a caloric surplus, meaning eating more kcals than you need to maintain in order to gain muscle, size, and strength.

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Philosophies, Macro intake, training , and cardio articles for you to understand and help set up what you need to do before moving forward towards more supplements or advanced workout routines.
 
If I were looking into your goals, and diet and training was in check, I would be looking at Performax Labs' Alphamax pretty hard. I took it with 3 grams of DAA and it definitely had strong effects and as discussed in another thread - it is good for cutting and bulking IMO.

Beyond this:

1. East plenty of protein - don't worry about the powders if you can't find one you like. Just eat a clean diet with lots of protein.

2. Fish oils - check

3. BCAAs - if these aren't in your pre-workout, I would consider adding them. Amino IV is popular, but there are a number of products out there. This and protein are probably your best bets for natural supplements that will improve lean body mass.

4. Be patient. As The Solution pointed out - it is often easier to chase one goal than both. This is going to take some time to get to where you want to be - maybe years. You need to have that perspective on it. You will see big improvements much sooner, but a great body isn't built in even 1-year for most people. Keep at it.

As was stated, diet and training are the big keys. A lot of supplements are a waste. Your PCT product looks decent - but I'm not sure it will have a dramatic effect moving you toward your goals.

How long have you been training?
 
Awesome! Just the info I need! I will take more time reading into the posted articles but again, I appreciate the info given by people who have been down this road. Their own trials and outcomes.

I have been training for approximately 12-15 years, mostly with little supplemental help. It does take time, a lot of time and perhaps that the frustrating part. I believe I should be at a different place than I am.

I am trying hard to remedy that. I think this little boost should help, but we'll see. I am loading some pictures so that I can track my progress more effectively.

Thanks again guys
 
Getlifted99 said:
Awesome! Just the info I need! I will take more time reading into the posted articles but again, I appreciate the info given by people who have been down this road. Their own trials and outcomes.

I have been training for approximately 12-15 years, mostly with little supplemental help. It does take time, a lot of time and perhaps that the frustrating part. I believe I should be at a different place than I am.

I am trying hard to remedy that. I think this little boost should help, but we'll see. I am loading some pictures so that I can track my progress more effectively.

Thanks again guys
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The Solution's post was awesome. I would have given him reputation points for that, but I wasn't allowed :)

What are your stats on your big 3 lifts? This will give me an idea of where you are at strength-wise, which I think plays a bigger role in bodybuilding than a lot of people fully admit.

I haven't been to an actual gym in a long time, but when I would go, I noticed what a lot of people notice. Lots of people go there week after week with NO results at all. They just don't make progress. This is one of the things that pulled me toward Mike Mentzer's philosophies - whether they are right or wrong is up for debate - but his viewpoint was that if something works, you should see some kind of measurable results during every workout. A lot of the volume advocates didn't preach this at the time 10-20 years ago, but now I have noticed more and more people (regardless of their style of training) have more focus on progressively increasing the workload.

This is really the key in my eyes - if you want to do any type of training, you should be able to progressively increase the load (either 1 or 2 more reps or additional weight) in EVERY workout. I am not happy when I get a 0 or negative improvement, I am satisfied with 1 rep increases, and I am happy with 2 rep increases. If I suddenly get 3 rep increases, I am really happy! I shoot for anywhere from 4-10 reps generally, and keep increasing the reps until I get to about 10 and then I will add some weight. Maybe you already do this, and maybe you are further along than you are letting on - but I think this is one of the #1 factors that many people miss.
 
I would say at the time being, my "big 3's" are average. Bench = 245, squat = 350, dead 340. I want to increase that obviously so I thought I would try DAA. I've been taking it the last two days. The only side effect I'm really noticing is my feet and hands get cold which is odd. My friend stated to give it two weeks, so that's what I'll do. I'll report back after that time on stats and physical/mental changes if any.
 
Getlifted99 said:
I would say at the time being, my "big 3's" are average. Bench = 245, squat = 350, dead 340. I want to increase that obviously so I thought I would try DAA. I've been taking it the last two days. The only side effect I'm really noticing is my feet and hands get cold which is odd. My friend stated to give it two weeks, so that's what I'll do. I'll report back after that time on stats and physical/mental changes if any.
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I don't think those numbers are average at all. If those are your 1RM then they are slightly above average IMO, and if they are what you use for reps then you are solidly well above average. There is still a long way to go, so I know how you feel though. You are comparable to what I lift...I'm a little stronger on the deads and can probably do 250 or so for 1RM on the Bench so I'm probably comparable or weaker there - but I don't think the average person can deadlift 300 pounds. They can get their quickly, but they aren't there yet.

At any rate, I think you are at the point where it starts to become harder to make strength gains. I think LOTS of food, LOTS of protein, and proper training with a lot of attention paid to how much intensity you are using vs. your frequency and volume is necessary. Getting from 200 to 350 on a deadlift takes some effort, but in my experience getting from 350 to 400 takes more time and a lot more discipline and effort. I think you will see more from food, rest, and intense training than from the DAA - but I experiment with plenty of supps so I don't blame you there. It helps a little, but the test boost is so small in my opinion the gains will be slight.
 
HIT4ME,

Thanks for the props! I should've stated that those numbers are what I use to work out with. Usually, I do 5 sets of 5 of each. I honestly have no idea what my 1RM would be, I should probably try lol. I have a busy life with a wife and 3 kids (all boys) so when I hit the gym, I just hit it hard with weight I can handle. Maybe I need to just get out of my comfort zone and see what more I can do there. I agree there is a lot more I need to learn and practice. I have been training for some time but maybe if I just listen to all of you guys and perhaps start keeping track of what I'm doing I could increase gains. I guess I just don't want to get busted up. I've had my fair share of shoulder aches and pains, tennis elbow, and nothing frustrates me more than being out of commission. I hope with some extra help (Supps) it will push both my mind and body to go harder.

Thanks for all your feedback and I'll keep relaying data, maybe it will help others out as well.
 
Getlifted - in my experience there are a few things that get people hurt.

The most obvious is that someone tried to do too much and is not honest with themselves. This could be either weight, as most people think of first or volume. Exercise, itself, is NOT healthy. It is the adaptations that are healthy. Exercise is a stress. Stress can stimulate positive change - but chronic stress is never good. Too much volume and you can't recover and over time you will break. Too much weight and you start doing stupid things (poor form, cheating, twisting, jerking) and you can get hurt quickly.

But on the other side, people often get injuries out of fear. You deadlift 350, but I know a lot of people who NEVER put any real weight on that bar when they deadlift, because they are worried they will hurt their back. They never progress, never build a strong back, and they become primed for injuries because they stay weak.

Be safe, but be progressive. Add more weight to that bar on a regular basis - it is the ONLY way you will improve.
 
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