Non hormonal (lean) muscle builders??

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It’s been a while and I’m hunting for a natural, non-hormonal, muscle builder. I’ve tried X-Gels, Vector, and FD2 several times with marginal results- nice Viagara like effects from the BLR products, but not much else. I like the looks of TopMuscle but don’t see much feedback.
What would y’all recommend?
Thank you in advance.
 
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Nothing.
We still waitting for such thing but doubt it will ever exist.
Creatine if you not already taking it ( only nonanabolic thing that works).

Everything else is either placebo, or helps with libido, but does NOT build muscles.
Look at it this way: if it works then it has side effect and its mostly ilegal ( or your need doctors presc.).
 
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It’s been a while and I’m hunting for a natural, non-hormonal, muscle builder. I’ve tried X-Gels, Vector, and FD2 several times with marginal results- nice Viagara like effects from the BLR products, but not much else. I like the looks of TopMuscle but don’t see much feedback.
What would y’all recommend?
Thank you in advance.
Not many options better than what you have already tested.

The natty stuff can be nice for libido boosts, slight strength gains, well-being and better recovery.
 

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I would stick to the basics. A good protein powder, creatine and lots of food. Lift heavy, rest and repeat.
I'm not a big supplement user but I do like FD2 a lot. I have tried a bunch of things over the last 2 years but like you i have had marginal results at best.
 
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I would stick to the basics. A good protein powder, creatine and lots of food and sleep. Lift heavy, rest and repeat..
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I have liked UR spray. Quite a bit, in fact. Was going to reorder but wanted opinions on others first. I’m surprised no one suggesting any OL products. Last I was paying attention, they had released a couple new things and initial reviews were very good.
 
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best price on massmax?
You can check over at Strong Supplement Shop for our price...

In terms of MassMax I agree it is one of the better natural mass builders ever since ABE went away.
 
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It’s been a while and I’m hunting for a natural, non-hormonal, muscle builder. I’ve tried X-Gels, Vector, and FD2 several times with marginal results- nice Viagara like effects from the BLR products, but not much else. I like the looks of TopMuscle but don’t see much feedback.
What would y’all recommend?
Thank you in advance.
Maybe somehting different like SNS growth factor xt? really solid sleep and recovery benefits that should help any natty lifter.

Either that or a different epicatechin product like CEL Epi-Plex. Open label allows for more user-friendly dosages vs something like FD2
 
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Someone needs to use the combo

X gels and testify

In theory should be similar to x gels and anabeta

The both share the same main ingredient
 
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Someone needs to use the combo

X gels and testify

In theory should be similar to x gels and anabeta

The both share the same main ingredient
Although I agree that’d be a great combo, it was the Lodhra in AnaBeta Elite that complemented X-Gels so well
 
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If you’ve a tried all those products and are not satisfied with the results I would tell you your not going to get what your looking for in a supp. Eat, eat, eat, train, eat, eat, sleep, repeat. Keep a log book and track your intake and sleep
 
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Maybe somehting different like SNS growth factor xt? really solid sleep and recovery benefits that should help any natty lifter.

Either that or a different epicatechin product like CEL Epi-Plex. Open label allows for more user-friendly dosages vs something like FD2
I’m on my sixth week of SNS GFXT. The benefits from a solid eight hours of deep sleep are more than enough for me, which I’ve been getting at about the end of the second week. Recovery goes hand in hand with a better quality of sleep so I’m reaping benefits there as well.
 
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Maybe somehting different like SNS growth factor xt? really solid sleep and recovery benefits that should help any natty lifter.

Either that or a different epicatechin product like CEL Epi-Plex. Open label allows for more user-friendly dosages vs something like FD2
I’m personally taking growth factor xt right now and have noticed I haven’t been waking up at all throughout the night and recover has been increased, where I’m actually able to add more weight to my lifts. I have added glycophase at the same time and the pumps have been amazing as well.
 
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I’m personally taking growth factor xt right now and have noticed I haven’t been waking up at all throughout the night and recover has been increased, where I’m actually able to add more weight to my lifts. I have added glycophase at the same time and the pumps have been amazing as well.
X Gels/Focus XT pre workout (for the Carnitine salt w/X Gels) + GlycoPhase before heavy carb meals + Growth Factor XT at night is a great combo
 
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MassMax is the best bulking/lean muscle non hormonal anabolic out there IMO
Really? I’m curious as I was looking at ingredient and it just looks like ECDY with the main active in Letrone? And some other things I haven’t heard of.
What do you notice exactly? Genuinely curious and interested.

Thanks mate
 
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Epicatechin is the one thing I noticed that changes my composition. Not building slabs of muscle , but it definitely changes you
 
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Your not gonna get much more out of anything else than you already have. Unfortunatley the natural route is a long one - most of the gains come from diet, good sleep and low stress. The supps work much better in that environment as well. Btw, Top Muscle is a great supplement - I have been using it to specifically rehab a shoulder for a few months now - and its really really helped. And its more than just rehab - strength has shot up big time. BMP is another great supplement I would recommend, but again don't expect much more than BLR type results. But expect different results....
 
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Never tried it. Any particular product you recommend? Thanks
Follidrone 2.0 is our epicatichan product with ecklonia cava, wrapped up in an enhanced delivery system. There is a sale running right now, so if you want to try epicat, get on it.
 

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The only two that really stick out for me would be Massacre and Ep1logue, I ran both individually and also together and always liked my results, we aren't talking ph gains or any crap like that, but I did recover a lot better, joints felt good and lost a little bit of fat with retention or slight muscle gain over the 12 weeks

edit- Slight makes it not sound worth it, but it was worth it lol
 
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Never tried it. Any particular product you recommend? Thanks
Yeah, I’d just go with Ep1logue if it was me as I haven’t tried follidrone but they seem to be fighting between users on which is better. Similar effects it seems. Ep1logue gave me dryness, hardness, fullness, vascularity and a slight metabolism increase.

Other single Epicatechin products I tried weren’t as strong but epiplex did the work but I’d up the dose . I like Epicatechin at 600-1g , or I honestly don’t see much.

Maybe it’s a quality thing too though. But the caps which smell like cocoa or green tea work best for me lol

Anabolic warfare epigrow was good too and that’s 500mg for one cap

I notice literally 0 strength from Epicatechin but the endurance is absolutely insane
 
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MassMax contains a full dose of Epi as well as a full spectrum of ecdysterones from RCE Extract which was shown to be more beneficial then any single ecdy alone. Both are considered bcs class III compounds, meaning high solubility, low permeability. We included Sodium Caprate which increases intestinal permeation greatly enhancing the absorption of both ingredients. We also included Green Tea Extract which enhances absorption of Epicatechin more then when dosed alone.

While those two are main ingredients we also included ARE which enhances ghrelin release, improving appetite, digestion and motility. Methyl O/P have also been shown to posses both an Androgenic and Anabolic effect as long as both compounds are utilized together. It’s been a pretty solid product with amazing user feedback!
 
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MassMax contains a full dose of Epi as well as a full spectrum of ecdysterones from RCE Extract which was shown to be more beneficial then any single ecdy alone. Both are considered bcs class III compounds, meaning high solubility, low permeability. We included Sodium Caprate which increases intestinal permeation greatly enhancing the absorption of both ingredients. We also included Green Tea Extract which enhances absorption of Epicatechin more then when dosed alone.

While those two are main ingredients we also included ARE which enhances ghrelin release, improving appetite, digestion and motility. Methyl O/P have also been shown to posses both an Androgenic and Anabolic effect as long as both compounds are utilized together. It’s been a pretty solid product with amazing user feedback!
Agreed - I just used it for the first time and was very impressed with the results. Terrific product. Will buy again.
 
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Olympus Labs Ep1logue if you want a more comprehensive product (Epicatechin, Vaso6 and UroB).

CEL Epi-plex if you just want Epicatechin (won’t surpass the value or quality).

Yeah, I’d just go with Ep1logue if it was me as I haven’t tried follidrone but they seem to be fighting between users on which is better. Similar effects it seems. Ep1logue gave me dryness, hardness, fullness, vascularity and a slight metabolism increase.

Other single Epicatechin products I tried weren’t as strong but epiplex did the work but I’d up the dose . I like Epicatechin at 600-1g , or I honestly don’t see much.

Maybe it’s a quality thing too though. But the caps which smell like cocoa or green tea work best for me lol

Anabolic warfare epigrow was good too and that’s 500mg for one cap

I notice literally 0 strength from Epicatechin but the endurance is absolutely insane
Keep in mind Ep1logue is more than just epicatechin so I wouldn’t expect 1=1 results when comparing it to a solo ingredient product.
 

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I like the RCE products best out of everything I've tried.

Anabol 5
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Olympus Labs Ep1logue if you want a more comprehensive product (Epicatechin, Vaso6 and UroB).

CEL Epi-plex if you just want Epicatechin (won’t surpass the value or quality).



Keep in mind Ep1logue is more than just epicatechin so I wouldn’t expect 1=1 results when comparing it to a solo ingredient product.
Yep, exactly
 
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It’s been a while and I’m hunting for a natural, non-hormonal, muscle builder. I’ve tried X-Gels, Vector, and FD2 several times with marginal results- nice Viagara like effects from the BLR products, but not much else. I like the looks of TopMuscle but don’t see much feedback.
What would y’all recommend?
Thank you in advance.
Check out the new CEL Anabolic Effect - 100% non hormonal and thus far every log has been unanimously positve in regards to results (even very early on)
 

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