i had the security guard of my apartment building chat away on how great celltech and nitrotech is. (he had a 4lb tub next to him on his desk) i asked what he thought about it for my entertainment and he went on about it saying (and i quote), "celltech is revolutionary man. it got all this extra stuff in it, makes you hella swole" I kept my mouth shut, with a smart ass grin on my face the whole 3 minutes. after he was done, i said "why dont you make your own creatine transport? get some dextrose, ala and a pure creatine powder and save 1/2 the price." (wait, he also told me he got it at gnc so....make that save 3/4 of the price) he is like..."**** that man, this thing got something called...(as he reaches and looks at the tub) "alpha lip...lip...lipoic...lip acid" (i say ala....) he says, "oh...right, but its suppose to like have this sugar that puts creatine into your body quicker. I reply (with still the smart ass grin on my face, "dextrose?" he says ya! thats the bomb dogg. (the smile gets even bigger) I felt great. After being bombarded with ads and questions about how fantastic celltech and nitrotech is...i got to a point where i just play along....trying to still preach that there are others choices to be had but still...having a little tease. SO i walked away by saying, "that 900 times better than creatine working for ya?" You like muscletech? And this tool replies., "for sure. but i dont use muscletech....its celltech and nitrotech i use man." (sigh) I left him with a "have a nice day" Sage