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Renew1
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This is what my reference to Anavar was about. One tab of Anavar might not do anything positive or negative for you....12 weeks of Osta might suppress you, but 5 weeks might not. I TOTALLY do not understand why anyone would want to take a suppressive substance during PCT. I just don't get it. ....But I don't have to, because I'm not the one(s) doing it.
Georgiepecker
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I don’t care personally just saying orals are so much easier to obtain for people...well for people who don’t research for like 30 more minutes lol
swimfan65
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Orals easier to obtain..not really. And they are so hard on your your body and ineffective..comparably. But I get the legality of the argument. But honestly, if you get caught, you are doing something very very very stupid. I get it though.
Georgiepecker
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They are not ineffective, and some of the biggest body builders (Rich) would turn them when he needed massive strength increases. So you are wrong.
A HUGE problem with people running orals is they use no test base, and they eat terribly on AND after cycle. And they don’t recover. They are very effective. And to the first point, they are absolutely easier to obtain; you can order them from supplement stores overseas, and some you can even obtain in local supplement stores.
swimfan65
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And by test base I'm assuming you are talking about IM test. If that is the case, why in the world would someone by a crap prohormone (legal) and use IM test (illegal) as a base. If legality is the issue that makes no sense. And, prohormone are just that..crap. Anadrol or D-bol for a kick until a real cycle starts are good ideas, but a 4 to 6 week, super harsh, oral only, prohormone is just dumb. I've been doing this for 20 years and competing for 15. I have actually learned a few things from experience...usually because I do something stupid and learn from it.
Georgiepecker
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A few actual AAS (not prohormones) are still obtainable locally, and AAS do not equal prohormones.
And most people using prohormones due to legality are not going to be using a test base, or they would’ve bought some real AAS, I’m not sure where I ever said that.
Georgiepecker
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I don’t think strength gains from Halotestin can be compared to much of anything from the limited research I’ve done....ESPECIALLY NOT comparable to trest. Whole different ball game
Renew1
Legend
Well....I'm not a hypocrite, but I will give you my honest opinion, and the facts as I know them (and have seen them) to be. Halotestin is a very dangerous, toxic drug (not only to the liver)...And if you were my brother or best friend, I'd give you the same advice I am now. Don't ever mess with it, bro. And it's the general consensus,from what I've seen and heard. Most people will tell you, it's just not worth it (and I fully agree).
However, I haven't always made the smartest choices, and I did use it years ago. Agression....some, yes...And some I had to work to control. Strength....Yes, a lot. However, I have done other cycles that gained me more strength, and weren't nearly as worrisome for me...Or as hard on my body. Now I know that it's too dangerous for me to (legitimately) use AND, there's absolutely no reason for me to.
I did a recent cycle of DMZ, Msten, and Trest (oral and TD). The strength gains beat Halo, hands down.
Georgiepecker
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I’d imagine taking all of those would be far worse than Halotestin. Maybe I’m wrong but did you get blood work?
Renew1
Legend
By ALL, I'm going to assume that you mean, Trest, DMZ and Msten, the 3 I mentioned. Yes, I got bloods, and yes, in this case, you're wrong.
Chados
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I guess that depends on the dosage. I believe every steroid is dangerous and halo is at the top. What makes steroids really dangerous is the dosage and abusing them. Unfortunately you want these strong steroids to be strong else you could go for the weakest one, this will make you push the dosage to get the benefits from halo, tren etc. the key is always to find the balance to wear it beats the weaker steroids and keeps you as safe as possible. Not saying anything you don't already know, more that I get what you're saying about stacking many compounds.
unitas27
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I would say methyl-tren and cheque drops are more if not equally dangerous to halotestin, but like you said, it's all about dosing properly and not pushing it to the point of abuse. No one needs to mess with harsh orals when we have Test, Tren, Trest, and Mast which can be run safely for 12-16-week cycles with proper diet, bloodwork and support.
Georgiepecker
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Show is the bloods. What were you liver enzymes like compared to Halo? And Methyl Tren would probably top the cake anyways yet people HAVE successfully taken that before. This stuff is all toxic, but can you recover or not should determine if you’re willing to go along with it. And you took all 3 of those at the same time and Halo was still worse for you? I know it’s molecules are harder to break down than other orals but I’d imagine those 3 orals to have been worse. Was the trest topical by the way? I misread it as Tren
Renew1
Legend
I didn't stutter, and see no point in LYING. Yeah, Methyl TREN would definitely be different added with that cycle. ..By "is", I'm assuming that you meant us. You're so up on this compound ...Run it yourself. Have a blast. I was just trying to help out the one who posed the question.
Georgiepecker
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I’m just saying no one ever posts bloodwork so If you actually have some for
Halotestin so we can actually prove your claims with results then why can’t we see it. If you don’t have it anymore I don’t care just curious to look at results of liver enzymes. There is a varying degree in how much worse Halo really is for you, and bloodwork will show us. If my enzymes are only 10 higher than superdrol, it’s not really
that much more toxic, for example.
And no I’m not going to run Halo, not because it’s more liver toxic, because there is no point in me running it when it is primarily a temporary strength drug.