NEXT CYCLE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!! input on pct anyone? slappin this together

[cardiobro]

OK so as for my next cycle before a 6 month break i have decided to go with RS TRANSADERM 5-7pumps/day for 6-8 weeks as well as ultradrol(havent decided on dose yet)

Pros: UD doesnt convert to estrogen, and transaderm shouldnt be too harsh. therefore no SERM needed!( although i have one on hand just in case as always...)


Thinking about erase+DAA+endosurge for pct.... Ive never use any of these products and basically just want to try some new stuff. Also i havent used formastanzol either which i hear amazing things about.


So many great products to try out there... but as far as this goes i am trying to be a bit creative...

Whatever i decide, ill be going at it in about 2 weeks.

so.... anyone want to critique my stack?

 

[mattrag]

OK so as for my next cycle before a 6 month break i have decided to go with RS TRANSADERM 5-7pumps/day for 6-8 weeks as well as ultradrol(havent decided on dose yet)

Pros: UD doesnt convert to estrogen, and transaderm shouldnt be too harsh. therefore no SERM needed!( although i have one on hand just in case as always...)


Thinking about erase+DAA+endosurge for pct.... Ive never use any of these products and basically just want to try some new stuff. Also i havent used formastanzol either which i hear amazing things about.


So many great products to try out there... but as far as this goes i am trying to be a bit creative...

Whatever i decide, ill be going at it in about 2 weeks.

so.... anyone want to critique my stack?

my god thats a sick cycle. But I wouldn't say that you dont need a SERM, maybe you dont need a SERM on cycle but PCT I would add in something. About the recovery OTC PCT recovery I would say DAA, and maybe some trans rev for estro balance.
If you can hit up the serm DAA+SERM, and maybe either erase OR formastanzol for AI in weeks 3-6 of PCT. I not sure if you will need a cortisol blocker if you only use formastanzol but erase should have you covered in the cortisol dept. If not 3g of Vit C a day.

Just my thoughts, I havent run either of those so I am not sure. But I usually always PCT with a SERM if I can, and I try not to add too many other things in my PCT.

 

[cardiobro]

my god thats a sick cycle. But I wouldn't say that you dont need a SERM, maybe you dont need a SERM on cycle but PCT I would add in something. About the recovery OTC PCT recovery I would say DAA, and maybe some trans rev for estro balance.
If you can hit up the serm DAA+SERM, and maybe either erase OR formastanzol for AI in weeks 3-6 of PCT. I not sure if you will need a cortisol blocker if you only use formastanzol but erase should have you covered in the cortisol dept. If not 3g of Vit C a day.

Just my thoughts, I havent run either of those so I am not sure. But I usually always PCT with a SERM if I can, and I try not to add too many other things in my PCT.

Running with a pct is not only smart, its really the only way to do a cycle properly. The reason why i am not going to use one is basically a personal experiment... If all goes well this could be my next legal bread and butter cycle. As pretty soon i wont be able to use anything illegal(including serms)

Good advice, i will probably go with erase rather then forma, just because of the price/anti cort.

 

[mattrag]

Well if it works for you then that'd be GREAT!!

I dont promote the usage of SERMS I just think that its probably the most proven way to run a cycle. But if it works for YOU then do it man. I hate having to buy SERMs, plus the SERM can have horrible effects on liver values and lipid levels too! Not to mention some other sides....

Good luck and be sure to report back!

 

[cardiobro]

Oh i will. Incredibly pumped for this next one.

 

[romapwr88]

So, wheres the serm bro? If you're not worried about gyno and estrogen issues (not sure these compounds will give you those issues or not), but at least add clomid which will help restart your hpta and you will keep a lot more of your gains compared with otc pct...

 

[cardiobro]

So, wheres the serm bro? If you're not worried about gyno and estrogen issues (not sure these compounds will give you those issues or not), but at least add clomid which will help restart your hpta and you will keep a lot more of your gains compared with otc pct...

lol read dude

 

[mattrag]

Nice avatar man. Lol

 

[romapwr88]

lol read dude

So your cycle will not suppress your hpta AT ALL? Because if it does you do need a serm. People told me I should only do otc pct for bold when I ran it, and if I had listened to them, my nuts would still be half sized. To be honest I'm not too familiar with the compounds you're running, but anything hormonal will cause a shutdown (however mild) and imo opinion a serm is best to bring you back to normal.

 

[mattrag]

So your cycle will not suppress your hpta AT ALL? Because if it does you do need a serm. People told me I should only do otc pct for bold when I ran it, and if I had listened to them, my nuts would still be half sized. To be honest I'm not too familiar with the compounds you're running, but anything hormonal will cause a shutdown (however mild) and imo opinion a serm is best to bring you back to normal.

Well he said he is running an experiment. It's his body, I'm sure he knows if he screws it up it's on his balls.

Also, he has a serm on hand. I'm sure he knows the risks involved as well.

With that said, all I can say is good luck.

Other compounds that might help you recover normally would be bulbibe, stinging nettle root, and you might want to look into triazole and test force from AFX.

 

[romapwr88]

Well he said he is running an experiment. It's his body, I'm sure he knows if he screws it up it's on his balls.

Also, he has a serm on hand. I'm sure he knows the risks involved as well.

With that said, all I can say is good luck.

Other compounds that might help you recover normally would be bulbibe, stinging nettle root, and you might want to look into triazole and test force from AFX.

Just trying to help because I know first hand how even mild stuff can shut you down hard and I've heard the no serm needed crap before. Estrogen conversion is not the only reason to use a serm. With that said everyone handles things differently, so it's good you have the serm on hand, just feel it out and see how bad you get/or dont get shut down and decide from there if you're gonna use it or not.

 

[mattrag]

Just trying to help because I know first hand how even mild stuff can shut you down hard and I've heard the no serm needed crap before. Estrogen conversion is not the only reason to use a serm. With that said everyone handles things differently, so it's good you have the serm on hand, just feel it out and see how bad you get/or dont get shut down and decide from there if you're gonna use it or not.

I know what you mean about hpta axis being messed up for good though. Look into test force though cardiobro. It supposedly helped Flex get off trt. Donno if it's true but it's worth a look into if you don't want to use serms anymore.

 

[cardiobro]

Using test force efx now actually, the dropper tastes a bit gross but the stuff does work! luckily theres a gray market shop about 3 min from my casa here.(where i got the test force) There prices are somewhat ridiculous, but nonetheless i can basically get whatever i need at the drop of a hat, but yeah ive ran no serms in the past smart or unsmart i usually recover in about a month nonetheless. Never had nipp sensitivity or any of that other fun stuff. However ive never been daring enough to try after a 12 week cycle of real gear, that would be plain retarded, hahahaha

 

[mattrag]

Using test force efx now actually, the dropper tastes a bit gross but the stuff does work! luckily theres a gray market shop about 3 min from my casa here.(where i got the test force) There prices are somewhat ridiculous, but nonetheless i can basically get whatever i need at the drop of a hat, but yeah ive ran no serms in the past smart or unsmart i usually recover in about a month nonetheless. Never had nipp sensitivity or any of that other fun stuff. However ive never been daring enough to try after a 12 week cycle of real gear, that would be plain retarded, hahahaha

I'm thinking as long as your diet remains bulk or @maint hpta restoration might be smoother. I've cut in pct stupidly and loss more than I should've.

Yes after a 12 weeker no serm would be pretty risky. Unless you run a shot of foliststin. Even then you only have anecdotal evidence.