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Reasonable goals, kinda similar to mine lol.

Id say **** the orals, keep total gear under a gram and keep your diet tight, do that for the majority of the cycle and then turn it up a knotch 4-6 weeks before your ready to look your best.

Also, the higher you run test the more water your gonna start holding and that's gonna take away from the look
 
The entire point of a blast phase is to shock your body with androgens as much as possible. That is why 12 weeks is more optimal for a blast. But that is only assuming @manifesto will be going straight back to his cruising dose after those 12 weeks. Your basically shocking the body with androgens and pushing the food and training to the max. Then after 12 weeks you can maintain most of those gains just by staying on 200 mg of test.

Not that I'm saying 20 weeks of test and primo isn't good for an off season bodybuilder; but that's about it. Not to mention the amount of $$$ for 20 weeks of primo

As for controlling lipids during a blast I would recommend a ppar agonist like GW or SR 9009 in oil. This way you can run orals pretty much straight through, granted you have all your other ancillaries and bases covered. But to keep the orals at a conservative dose and to use traditional AAS like anadrol and dbol that have been used at 50 mg and 20 mg respectively for 12 weeks in the literature
 
Smont said:
Reasonable goals, kinda similar to mine lol.

Id say **** the orals, keep total gear under a gram and keep your diet tight, do that for the majority of the cycle and then turn it up a knotch 4-6 weeks before your ready to look your best.

Also, the higher you run test the more water your gonna start holding and that's gonna take away from the look
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When you say "turn it up a notch" what u mean bro? I like the sounds of it
 
ugsavage said:
The entire point of a blast phase is to shock your body with androgens as much as possible. That is why 12 weeks is more optimal for a blast. But that is only assuming @manifesto will be going straight back to his cruising dose after those 12 weeks. Your basically shocking the body with androgens and pushing the food and training to the max. Then after 12 weeks you can maintain most of those gains just by staying on 200 mg of test.

Not that I'm saying 20 weeks of test and primo isn't good for an off season bodybuilder; but that's about it. Not to mention the amount of $$$ for 20 weeks of primo

As for controlling lipids during a blast I would recommend a ppar agonist like GW or SR 9009 in oil. This way you can run orals pretty much straight through, granted you have all your other ancillaries and bases covered. But to keep the orals at a conservative dose and to use traditional AAS like anadrol and dbol that have been used at 50 mg and 20 mg respectively for 12 weeks in the literature
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So write out what you would consider an ideal 12 week blast would be for me? With what I have at hand. I have some Cardarine as well for lipid control
 
Test cyp
Primo
SD
Anadrol
Cardarin
L Carnitine
Injectable yk 11

Lots of all these
 
manifesto said:
How much is the surgery running you @match ?
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Unfortunately, because of the cost of living in my area, the lowest price I could find was $11k. I spent 3 weeks shopping around, and that was unfortunately the best price I could get (there were places charging either the same or significantly more).

It's an obscene amount to pay, and I sincerely hope that you (and anyone else reading this) are able to get yours at a much lower price. I'm sure some folks might have the luxury/freedom to travel somewhere and get it done cheaper, but that's not my situation.

Good news for me is that I make way more money than I really think I deserve, so it won't break the bank for me and my family. Still a lot of dough to be spending on something cosmetic, but once this is done I (hopefully) don't ever have to worry about things getting worse for me in the gyno department. It's not super bad right now, but I've got enough to know that I'd rather have none, than to risk it getting any worse than it already is.
 
match said:
Unfortunately, because of the cost of living in my area, the lowest price I could find was $11k. I spent 3 weeks shopping around, and that was unfortunately the best price I could get (there were places charging either the same or significantly more).

It's an obscene amount to pay, and I sincerely hope that you (and anyone else reading this) are able to get yours at a much lower price. I'm sure some folks might have the luxury/freedom to travel somewhere and get it done cheaper, but that's not my situation.

Good news for me is that I make way more money than I really think I deserve, so it won't break the bank for me and my family. Still a lot of dough to be spending on something cosmetic, but once this is done I (hopefully) don't ever have to worry about things getting worse for me in the gyno department. It's not super bad right now, but I've got enough to know that I'd rather have none, than to risk it getting any worse than it already is.
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Right on. I'm happy for you bro.

It's gonna feel great to get rhat cut out once and for all and never look back
 
manifesto said:
So write out what you would consider an ideal 12 week blast would be for me? With what I have at hand. I have some Cardarine as well for lipid control
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Hit me wit it @ugsavage
 
manifesto said:
Test cyp
Primo
SD
Anadrol
Cardarin
L Carnitine
Injectable yk 11

Lots of all these
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A few things to consider. If your going to be using injectable YK 11 then it may benefit you to mix that with your test and pin every day. Even with a longer ester; pinning everyday will help prevent large fluctuations in circulating T and a bunch of unnecessary estrogen from building up and hitting you all at once. If you have 300 mg/ ml then .7 ml would be around 100 mg a day putting you at 700 mg/ week.

But if you plan on keeping test that high; I would keep the Ralox/ AI combo in the mix. I would also lower the Primo to 200 mg since Anadrol will probably overshadow anything your getting from Primo with the exception of estrogen control. I have also heard of anadrol causing gyno on its own through activation of PR so throwing in Inhibit P and keeping estrogen low with serms/ AI would be ideal

Weeks 1 through 12
Test C @ 700 week
Primo @ 200 week
Yk 11 @ 10 mg a day
Cardarine @ 15 mg a day
Ralox @ 30 mg a day
Adex @ .5 ml every second or third day

Weeks 1 - 8
Anadrol @ 50 - 100 mg a day

Try throwing in 10 mg SD preworkout on your heavy lifting days and see how you feel. Two or three days a week. I have heard of people stacking the two, but that's just how I would run them.

Plenty of Liv 52, antioxidants, injectable glutathione, and 750 mg Tudca should have you covered
 
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ugsavage said:
A few things to consider. If your going to be using injectable YK 11 then it may benefit you to mix that with your test and pin every day. Even with a longer ester; pinning everyday will help prevent large fluctuations in circulating T and a bunch of unnecessary estrogen from building up and hitting you all at once. If you have 300 mg/ ml then .7 ml would be around 100 mg a day putting you at 700 mg/ week.

But if you plan on keeping test that high; I would keep the Ralox/ AI combo in the mix. I would also lower the Primo to 200 mg since Anadrol will probably overshadow anything your getting from Primo with the exception of estrogen control. I have also heard of anadrol causing gyno on its own through activation of PR so throwing in Inhibit P and keeping estrogen low with serms/ AI would be ideal

Weeks 1 through 12
Test C @ 700 week
Primo @ 200 week
Yk 11 @ 10 mg a day
Cardarine @ 15 mg a day
Ralox @ 30 mg a day
Adex @ .5 ml every second or third day

Weeks 1 - 8
Anadrol @ 50 - 100 mg a day

Try throwing in 10 mg SD preworkout on your heavy lifting days and see how you feel. Two or three days a week. I have heard of people stacking the two, but that's just how I would run them.

Plenty of Liv 52, antioxidants, injectable glutathione, and 750 mg Tudca should have you covered
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Are you lowering the primo for the cost savings? Or simply because it will be overshadowed?
 
And. 7 of a 300mg/ml is like 210 mg bro
 
manifesto said:
And. 7 of a 300mg/ml is like 210 mg bro
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My bad!

Half of that is .35 ml; puts you at 100 mg. Then your YK 11 is 40 mg/ ml so .25 ml should be 10 mg

manifesto said:
Are you lowering the primo for the cost savings? Or simply because it will be overshadowed?
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I personally don't think an extra 200 mg of Primo will add anything to your blast. The 700 mg test and the orals will be doing most of the work. I would keep it in strictly to control estrogen so you can use less serms/ AI
 
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Thanks for all the info @ugsavage

The more info the better. I'll consider everything
 
What's the trick to take these liquid research chemicals without fvcking your mouth up?

I've been taking liquid Accutane for a couple weeks now and my mouth is raw. Anything spicy, carbonated drinks, really hurt. I have just been putting the oral syringe in my mouth with the straight solution.

I've never had this happen with any other research chem.....should I be diluting this stuff with water or something?
 
manifesto said:
When you say "turn it up a notch" what u mean bro? I like the sounds of it
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Up the dose or add a oral when your ready to do a photo shoot or your creeping up on the end.

I also think planning cycle length is kinda stupid unless you have a deadline.

Start a cycle, start low, after 6-8 weeks get blood work, if everything looks good up the dose and keep going. After 12-14weeks get bloods again, if everything looks good then keep going.

The guys I know that coach and compete all do it this way, there offseasons are usually 20-24 weeks if things stay healthy. Building quality mass takes time. and if your starting your cycles with a oral your definitely not going to have good bloods to run a longer cycle, you probably won't even have good bloods after after the first 6 weeks
 
manifesto said:
What's the trick to take these liquid research chemicals without fvcking your mouth up?

I've been taking liquid Accutane for a couple weeks now and my mouth is raw. Anything spicy, carbonated drinks, really hurt. I have just been putting the oral syringe in my mouth with the straight solution.

I've never had this happen with any other research chem.....should I be diluting this stuff with water or something?
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WOW...... Yeah, I'd mix it with a little bit of another liquid right before taking it.

... And if it's doing that to your mouth ... "Keep an eye on" your stomach, as well.
 
Renew1 said:
WOW...... Yeah, I'd mix it with a little bit of another liquid right before taking it.

... And if it's doing that to your mouth ... "Keep an eye on" your stomach, as well.
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Thanks my brother...

Yeah, i was trying to figure out how to write that without sounding completely gay

"I've been shooting it straight in the mouth"

"I've been swallowing it with no other liquid"

It all sounded really bad to be honest lmao
 
manifesto said:
Thanks my brother...

Yeah, i was trying to figure out how to write that without sounding completely gay

"I've been shooting it straight in the mouth"

"I've been swallowing it with no other liquid"

It all sounded really bad to be honest lmao
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At least I didn't ask you if you swallowed.
LOL
:ROFLMAO:
 
match said:
Unfortunately, because of the cost of living in my area, the lowest price I could find was $11k. I spent 3 weeks shopping around, and that was unfortunately the best price I could get (there were places charging either the same or significantly more).

It's an obscene amount to pay, and I sincerely hope that you (and anyone else reading this) are able to get yours at a much lower price. I'm sure some folks might have the luxury/freedom to travel somewhere and get it done cheaper, but that's not my situation.

Good news for me is that I make way more money than I really think I deserve, so it won't break the bank for me and my family. Still a lot of dough to be spending on something cosmetic, but once this is done I (hopefully) don't ever have to worry about things getting worse for me in the gyno department. It's not super bad right now, but I've got enough to know that I'd rather have none, than to risk it getting any worse than it already is.
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I'm guessing you weren't allowed to use health insurance? I have great insurance through work i asked my friend at works sister who thinks she's a man ( got her breaststroke removed) and her/his insurance covered it because it was a mental health thing or whatever. Look I have no problem with anything like that but to me it's still cosmetic so for us bodybuilders it should be covered as well IMO
 
Mikereyn513 said:
I'm guessing you weren't allowed to use health insurance? I have great insurance through work i asked my friend at works sister who thinks she's a man ( got her breaststroke removed) and her/his insurance covered it because it was a mental health thing or whatever. Look I have no problem with anything like that but to me it's still cosmetic so for us bodybuilders it should be covered as well IMO
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I have health insurance but I heard the plastic surgeons are not very good. I don't want to walk out with a concave chest because the doc got heavy handed...nah mean?
 
manifesto said:
What's the trick to take these liquid research chemicals without fvcking your mouth up?

I've been taking liquid Accutane for a couple weeks now and my mouth is raw. Anything spicy, carbonated drinks, really hurt. I have just been putting the oral syringe in my mouth with the straight solution.

I've never had this happen with any other research chem.....should I be diluting this stuff with water or something?
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I had this happen to me with a few RC's. I would just get some empty caps and use the syringe to fill the caps
 
manifesto said:
I have health insurance but I heard the plastic surgeons are not very good. I don't want to walk out with a concave chest because the doc got heavy handed...nah mean?
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Yes, this is exactly why I didn't go through my GP. This is cosmetic and I want someone who takes pride in the finished product. They're expensive, but not more than anyone else in my area, and I've seen some of their work first hand.
 
match said:
Yes, this is exactly why I didn't go through my GP. This is cosmetic and I want someone who takes pride in the finished product. They're expensive, but not more than anyone else in my area, and I've seen some of their work first hand.
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Down payment on a house or gyno surgery...hmmm...what to do oh what to do
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Down payment on a house or gyno surgery...hmmm...what to do oh what to do
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Hahaha, not even close to a down payment on a condo where I live, much less a house!

Fortunately I already own a house here, so a down payment isn't something I'm saving up for.

Still you do make a great point!
 
match said:
Hahaha, not even close to a down payment on a condo where I live, much less a house!

Fortunately I already own a house here, so a down payment isn't something I'm saving up for.

Still you do make a great point!
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It wouldn't be wherever live either California isn't cheap
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Where I live* I should said money towards a down payment
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Yeah, Cali is ridiculous....

Gyno is such a pain in the ass, I'd probably take some equity out to get it cut the fvck out
 
@manifesto you start this cycle yet brother? I wanted to ask you since you were recommending and had some experience with injectable YK 11. I'm thinking about adding to the second half of my 12 week test/ tren cycle. My question is what was your dosage and do you think it caused any suppression that was noticeable. Just picked up a new girl and don't want to mess around with YK if the suppression is anything other than mild
 
ugsavage said:
@manifesto you start this cycle yet brother? I wanted to ask you since you were recommending and had some experience with injectable YK 11. I'm thinking about adding to the second half of my 12 week test/ tren cycle. My question is what was your dosage and do you think it caused any suppression that was noticeable. Just picked up a new girl and don't want to mess around with YK if the suppression is anything other than mild
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YK 11 felt great to me bro. I didn't notice it affecting my sex drive. If anything, I had increased libido. I ran 30 mg per day for 4 weeks. 15mg in the am pre workout and 15 in the pm.

I felt great. Got big and strong pretty fast. No water retention or anything
 
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