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Next Cycle Plan

manifesto

manifesto

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Looking for some advice on my next blast. This will be my 3rd blast and I'm on TRT

I'm 36 years old 6'0 200 lb approximately 10 body fat. Training consistently for 4 years.

-For oils, I have test cyp and primo. I have enough for any layout and length.

-Orals I have SD and Anadrol, injectable YK

-Injectable Sarm Rad 140

I can get other stuff but would like to use what I have.

I really want to push the envelope with this one. GOAL is to add muscle and keep body fat as low as possible.

I respond well to SD and Anadeol it appears. And respond great to YK.

I have arimidex, exemstane, and ralox on hand. Lots of all of them. I don't aromatize heavy, especially with primo in the mix.

My last blast was 600 test, 400 primo, and injectable YK 11 at the end.

I need to keep body fat pretty low for my side business.

@Hyde
@Smont
@Renew1
@Alchemist11
@WesleyInman
@ugsavage
 
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This is me a few days back.
 
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Current body fat levels
 
Sorry if I forgot to mention anyone else. Just thought of my boy

@xR1pp3Rx
 
If your last cycle went well, 600/400 then I would either repeat it or go to 600/600 and add a oral at the end. Time the oral for about 3 weeks before you want to look your best.

Keep it simple, if stuff has been working then stick with what you know works
 
Smont said:
You hold your bodyfat just like I do, il get lean, have abs, the v on the waist with veins showing and still have that little layer of lower ab fat. I don't fukin get it lol
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Yeah I would probably have to push the cardio harder to lose all that completely
 
Smont said:
If your last cycle went well, 600/400 then I would either repeat it or go to 600/600 and add a oral at the end. Time the oral for about 3 weeks before you want to look your best.

Keep it simple, if stuff has been working then stick with what you know works
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I guess I'm wondering if perhaps I've built a tolerance to test at the 600 dosage? I'm not sure if that's even a thing lol
 
Also wondering if I go for a longer run,

What about an oral at the beginning, a break, and then another at the end
 
manifesto said:
I guess I'm wondering if perhaps I've built a tolerance to test at the 600 dosage? I'm not sure if that's even a thing lol
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No, tollerence it's not a thing, you will eventually get to a point where you need more but your nowhere near that point, I don't think anyone on this forum is.

I know guys that step in stage weighing 230+ at low single digit bf and they use 500-750 test, guys like us weighing 200lbs at 10-12% are not even remotely close to the guy I listed above. He's probably got 50lbs of muscle more then we do.

My past few cycles were 600mg total combined injectables
 
i think you should buy smonts dien and add that to the primo and do 20 weeks
massive anabolic action with low andronicity keep test where you like it
 
manifesto said:
Also wondering if I go for a longer run,

What about an oral at the beginning, a break, and then another at the end
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You can do whatever you want but I think orals in the beginning ruin cycles, your cholesterol and everything goes out of whack, then you spend the whole cycle in suboptimal health for making gains, and honestly think about this.

We all use to take our orals in the beginning, some in the beginning and the end and now we take them at the end.

The results from the various methods don't really look any different
 
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Thought we were talking about injectable dienolone here, there's quite a difference between the inject and TD dienolone. I don't personally want either but I know someone looking for the Injectable
 
Smont said:
Thought we were talking about injectable dienolone here, there's quite a difference between the inject and TD dienolone. I don't personally want either but I know someone looking for the Injectable
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Sorry man, I thought Rip was talking about the TD. . (y)

... My AC went out yesterday, so I'm basically working on Zero sleep.
:-(
 
Renew1 said:
Sorry man, I thought Rip was talking about the TD. . (y)

... My AC went out yesterday, so I'm basically working on Zero sleep.
:-(
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Well good thing your not working for me because I would fire you and give your office to whoever you hate the most, then I'd have the janitor pop your tires so you got stuck in the parking lot and had to watch Bob from accounting move his stuff into your old office!
 
Smont said:
Well good thing your not working for me because I would fire you and give your office to whoever you hate the most, then I'd have the janitor pop your tires so you got stuck in the parking lot and had to watch Bob from accounting move his stuff into your old office!
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Dannggg!
Remind me not to come work for you!
LOL!
 
Smont said:
Well good thing your not working for me because I would fire you and give your office to whoever you hate the most, then I'd have the janitor pop your tires so you got stuck in the parking lot and had to watch Bob from accounting move his stuff into your old office!
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.... But now I'm glad I Schtupped Bob's wife.
:D💪:unsure::cool:
 
SD or Anadrol at the end fellas?
 
What about titration up in dosages of the test and primo? I have never really done this intentionally.

On my last blasts, I just picked a number and stuck with it
 
manifesto said:
What about titration up in dosages of the test and primo? I have never really done this intentionally.

On my last blasts, I just picked a number and stuck with it
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I always start my cycles now at 300 test and 300 mast or eq or in your case primo. After about 6 weeks I make a decision I recently started test and eq @300 each and I'm finishing the 3rd week. Il probably do another week or 2 at 300/300 while I kinda deload and fix the diet up a little and then go 450/450. I always start low and work up because if you gaining good on 300/300 then 600/600 might have been just pouring money in the toilet for the first however many weeks.

I'm willing to bet any here that's ran a couple cycles that if they started a cycle on say 400mg of 2 compounds each and then next cycle you picked 600mg of the same 2 compounds that if everything else was equal then results would be very similar for the simple fact that you can only build muscle at a certain pace. If you did everything right on 500total mg of gear and put on 7.5lbs of muscle then 1000mg dosent mean your gonna get 15lbs of muscle.
 
Smont said:
I always start my cycles now at 300 test and 300 mast or eq or in your case primo. After about 6 weeks I make a decision I recently started test and eq @300 each and I'm finishing the 3rd week. Il probably do another week or 2 at 300/300 while I kinda deload and fix the diet up a little and then go 450/450. I always start low and work up because if you gaining good on 300/300 then 600/600 might have been just pouring money in the toilet for the first however many weeks.

I'm willing to bet any here that's ran a couple cycles that if they started a cycle on say 400mg of 2 compounds each and then next cycle you picked 600mg of the same 2 compounds that if everything else was equal then results would be very similar for the simple fact that you can only build muscle at a certain pace. If you did everything right on 500total mg of gear and put on 7.5lbs of muscle then 1000mg dosent mean your gonna get 15lbs of muscle.
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I'll be honest, it crossed my mind to start at 750 test next time lol

Oh the greed of mankind
 
manifesto said:
I'll be honest, it crossed my mind to start at 750 test next time lol

Oh the greed of mankind
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Think about it like this, your last cycle was 1000mg total to start and you added 30mg yk11 at the end making the total mg 1200+

Do you think your physique is beyond what 1.2 grams of gear has the potential to build? While it's not a ton of gear, I know plenty of big dudes that use a lot less in there offseason. You can use whatever you want, but the way I look at it is if I haven't maxed out say 600mg of gear and I'm taking 1000mg, I'm pouring 400mg down the toilet every week. Its just our nature to want more, and more gear = more gains to a small degree given the right amount of variables are in place, you wanna keep your bf low so obviously your not willing to go into a big surplus. So that may give you reason to use more gear because you don't want more calories.

Idk man we could talk about this all day but regardless of weather you start at 500, 600 or 750 it's going to make very little difference.

I'd start where you left off last time and if you feel like you need more then take more.

It's your body, you make the rules.

Now your making me wanna bump up my dose for no reason lol. Talking about gear makes me wanna do more gear 😂
 
Smont said:
Think about it like this, your last cycle was 1000mg total to start and you added 30mg yk11 at the end making the total mg 1200+

Do you think your physique is beyond what 1.2 grams of gear has the potential to build? While it's not a ton of gear, I know plenty of big dudes that use a lot less in there offseason. You can use whatever you want, but the way I look at it is if I haven't maxed out say 600mg of gear and I'm taking 1000mg, I'm pouring 400mg down the toilet every week. Its just our nature to want more, and more gear = more gains to a small degree given the right amount of variables are in place, you wanna keep your bf low so obviously your not willing to go into a big surplus. So that may give you reason to use more gear because you don't want more calories.

Idk man we could talk about this all day but regardless of weather you start at 500, 600 or 750 it's going to make very little difference.

I'd start where you left off last time and if you feel like you need more then take more.

It's your body, you make the rules.

Now your making me wanna bump up my dose for no reason lol. Talking about gear makes me wanna do more gear 😂
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All good points my brother.

On a side note, I haven't had a drop of alcohol for 5 months. My phone just alerted me......man feels good. I don't miss it all
 
Smont said:
That's awesome dude, good job 👍
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Thanks. Everything in my life has improved big time. Relationships, mental health, and of course my physique
 
manifesto said:
Thanks. Everything in my life has improved big time. Relationships, mental health, and of course my physique
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Yep, when I quit everything got better for the most part, life is definitely a lot more boring but in the past 3 years I haven't been arrested, I haven't missed work, I haven't disappointed people because I was drunk or didn't show up.

In those 3 years I paid of 10 years of debt, most of which was in the first 10 months. My credit score was 530, now it's in the 790's.

In these 3 years I got my body back to 90% of where it was in my mid 20's when I used double the gear I do now. Since quitting drinking my skin looks better, I look much younger and even tho time is running short because of age (37) I'm slowly accomplishing all the things I wanted to 10 years ago.

Of course none of that is ever good enough for my girlfriend but everyone else says I'm doing great 😂
 
Smont said:
Yep, when I quit everything got better for the most part, life is definitely a lot more boring but in the past 3 years I haven't been arrested, I haven't missed work, I haven't disappointed people because I was drunk or didn't show up.

In those 3 years I paid of 10 years of debt, most of which was in the first 10 months. My credit score was 530, now it's in the 790's.

In these 3 years I got my body back to 90% of where it was in my mid 20's when I used double the gear I do now. Since quitting drinking my skin looks better, I look much younger and even tho time is running short because of age (37) I'm slowly accomplishing all the things I wanted to 10 years ago.

Of course none of that is ever good enough for my girlfriend but everyone else says I'm doing great 😂
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Yeah I was getting I trouble like a dumbass kid... it was effecting my work, my marriage, my kids were always looking at my eyes when I got home, to see if I'd been drinking.

It really breaks my heart to think I caused them worry like that. But never again...it took me a few tries but im not looking back.
 
Smont said:
Think about it like this, your last cycle was 1000mg total to start and you added 30mg yk11 at the end making the total mg 1200+

Do you think your physique is beyond what 1.2 grams of gear has the potential to build? While it's not a ton of gear, I know plenty of big dudes that use a lot less in there offseason. You can use whatever you want, but the way I look at it is if I haven't maxed out say 600mg of gear and I'm taking 1000mg, I'm pouring 400mg down the toilet every week. Its just our nature to want more, and more gear = more gains to a small degree given the right amount of variables are in place, you wanna keep your bf low so obviously your not willing to go into a big surplus. So that may give you reason to use more gear because you don't want more calories.

Idk man we could talk about this all day but regardless of weather you start at 500, 600 or 750 it's going to make very little difference.

I'd start where you left off last time and if you feel like you need more then take more.

It's your body, you make the rules.

Now your making me wanna bump up my dose for no reason lol. Talking about gear makes me wanna do more gear 😂
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The only drawback to talking with my AM bros...I'm currently on a cruise and everyday im like eff it let's blast off. Talking about gear for sure makes you wanna do more gear
 
Mikereyn513 said:
The only drawback to talking with my AM bros...I'm currently on a cruise and everyday im like eff it let's blast off. Talking about gear for sure makes you wanna do more gear
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I've read some old logs on here where dudes were running 900-1000 test, tren for several months at high dosages etc

So it makes u think hmm....but I think I dint want to fvck myself up, especially with a young family
 
What do you guys think about running Ralox during the blast (maybe 60 mg daily)?

I'm not too worried about E2 getting too high with the Primo in there, but I thought this was be an extra safe way to make sure my pre-existing gyno doesn't get worse....
 
I have a crapload of Ralox on hand, so I could easily throw some in daily during the blast, or every other day...
 
Renew1 said:
If you've already got gyno issues, it wouldn't hurt IMO.
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That's what I was thinking too...couldn't hurt.

I'm getting it cut out in the winter time...when it's nice and cool. So im not sweating my azz off with that compressions wrap.
 
manifesto said:
That's what I was thinking too...couldn't hurt.

I'm getting it cut out in the winter time...when it's nice and cool. So im not sweating my azz off with that compressions wrap.
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I'm getting mine cut out next month. Can't wait! Should be right around sweater time.

I'm late to this thread (kinda, it blew up fast), but that is great that you've been off the alcohol for 5 months. Keep that up! I quit it over 6 years ago and it was a fantastic decision. It was never a real problem for me, but at the same time it never helped me in any way, shape, or form.

Hope your cycle goes well bro. You should log it so the knowledgable dudes here can assist if things go awry. And of course: make sure to get bloods early and often! Do it the way you'd coach someone you care about deeply to do it, because you got a family who cares deeply for you.
 
match said:
I'm getting mine cut out next month. Can't wait! Should be right around sweater time.

I'm late to this thread (kinda, it blew up fast), but that is great that you've been off the alcohol for 5 months. Keep that up! I quit it over 6 years ago and it was a fantastic decision. It was never a real problem for me, but at the same time it never helped me in any way, shape, or form.

Hope your cycle goes well bro. You should log it so the knowledgable dudes here can assist if things go awry. And of course: make sure to get bloods early and often! Do it the way you'd coach someone you care about deeply to do it, because you got a family who cares deeply for you.
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How much is the surgery running you @match ?
 
manifesto said:
I've read some old logs on here where dudes were running 900-1000 test, tren for several months at high dosages etc

So it makes u think hmm....but I think I dint want to fvck myself up, especially with a young family
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Over the years on this forum there have only been a few handful of guys that log things while posting progress pictures. The guys running 1500mg of gear or on 500 tren always end up being a no pictures log or there like 160lbs soaking wet. Im not a big dude and I don't resemble a bodybuilder, I'm 5'9 200lbs and I can only think of maybe 5-6 times I've seen a log where I'm thinking, ok this mofo is jacked, his doses make sense.

I'm absolutely not against high dose cycles, not in the slightest. But I am against wasting your gear running 2-3x the doses you need to grow while eating half the food necessary to grow.

I'm not saying that's you, but that's what we typically see.

The reason I keep doses so low is because I have to keep my weight low, once I don't have to make a weight class il probably double my doses and my food.

So in your situation, where you can't afford to gain much if any fat, that kinda limits how much you can grow, so I just feel like running over a gram is kinda a waste of gear. Now if you were cutting to get in contest condition while trying to maintain everything then I'd have a much different opinion on the dose and cycle in general.

Bulking, low to moderate gear and moderate to large amounts of food.

Cutting moderate to high doses of gear and moderate to low amount of food.

What is the actual goal here? I'm starting to forget
 
Smont said:
Over the years on this forum there have only been a few handful of guys that log things while posting progress pictures. The guys running 1500mg of gear or on 500 tren always end up being a no pictures log or there like 160lbs soaking wet. Im not a big dude and I don't resemble a bodybuilder, I'm 5'9 200lbs and I can only think of maybe 5-6 times I've seen a log where I'm thinking, ok this mofo is jacked, his doses make sense.

I'm absolutely not against high dose cycles, not in the slightest. But I am against wasting your gear running 2-3x the doses you need to grow while eating half the food necessary to grow.

I'm not saying that's you, but that's what we typically see.

The reason I keep doses so low is because I have to keep my weight low, once I don't have to make a weight class il probably double my doses and my food.

So in your situation, where you can't afford to gain much if any fat, that kinda limits how much you can grow, so I just feel like running over a gram is kinda a waste of gear. Now if you were cutting to get in contest condition while trying to maintain everything then I'd have a much different opinion on the dose and cycle in general.

Bulking, low to moderate gear and moderate to large amounts of food.

Cutting moderate to high doses of gear and moderate to low amount of food.

What is the actual goal here? I'm starting to forget
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The photoshoot I was speaking of before is a couple weeks out...so I'll just be in trt for that...maybe some SD and carb manipulation prior.

The cycle I'm planning out in this thread is for later in the year. I want to gain kean mass and keep my abs with this blast later in the year. I'll be playing with cals just above maintenance to (hopefully) achieve this
 
So, I guess the ultimate goal with this hobby for me...is to gain as much muscle as possible without getting fat. The better I look, the more online diet training programs I can sell. (This is just a side gig for my normal job)

I don't have BB aspirations, just want to be muscular and lean. I want to be the dad that all the other moms wish their husbands looked like lol
 
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