Next cycle I figure I am going to do sicne I just had my six month trt visit

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OK I will try to link to some other questins i wrote. been donating blood also taking cialis 5 mg every other dayand lisonipril 10mg for bp which was not very high but Doc wanted me on it from parent history.

this will be my first multiple compound cycle so its not very aggressive . More to measure side effects. I have taken this must test only before.


Week 1-4 Dianabol 30 mg per day ( I also thought of 20 mg for 50 days or 7 weeks if anyone wants to chime in on ideas)
week 1-16 test cypionate500 mg week 2 shots tu and thu ( poss some sustonan instead if i cant get cyp but i have at least 12 weeks of cyp)
week 1-16 eq 500mg week 2 shots tu and thur ( I know 600 is optimal but this is a trial run and i should get some benefit as some run as low as 400 week

Again i am not looking to be mr olympia. My first multiple compound cycle Now if for some reason there is a snafu with my stash ill drop dboll and just go to 700 eq as i have 500mg eq per ml or see if i can figure out the line for 600 or 650


I am already taking cialis 5mg every toher day likely every day now
I have fish oil but not sure hwo to take it
rich piana organ and liver defender. COuld someone tell me how to use this? My undestanding is there needs to be a gap with when i take the oral steroid. Also what dosing protocol whould be good with dboll as its my first time and first oral? I was figuring 2 10 mg tabs before and 1 after workout and all three with lunch on non workout days. Should any of this impact sleep?

on the rich piana organ defender how close to the dboll can i take it and it says to take 3 caps 3 times a day? Anyone run it different?

Next appoint with doc is October 19th. Bloods likely 10/13/21 for trt doc. I plan to have one of those labs we seen here pull bloods 6 weeks in likley mid week or should i do end of week?
 

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So it’s going to be

Weeks 1-4 30mg dbol
Weeks 1-16 500mg test cyp
Weeks 1-16 500mg EQ

Seems to be a fine cycle to me. I’m a fan of EQ especially if you’re on TRT anyway. Taking the dbol as you described sounds good. I don’t get too hung up on dosing as long as you get it in you. You’re going to be taking a gram of oils anyway so you’ll be in a good spot.

Im not familiar with the supports specifically that you mentioned but if you take those and your basic stuff you’ll be good to go.
 
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Yeah as above really. I do split orals am and pm just to maintain a more stable level but I’m not that anal about it.

30mg for 4 weeks is probably better than less for 6 weeks. I personally find weeks 4-6 is where loads of orals shine so personally I wouldn’t stop at 4 weeks but your already at a lowish dose so lowering it further isn’t ideal (absolutely nothing wrong with lower doses by the way. Also be conscious that combining dbol and trest is about the worst combination for estrogen issues so be prepared to manage that - the eq will help somewhat, just not sure how much)

Looks solid enough though bro. Presumably a bulk yeah?
 

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No trest? Sorry test and eq. Only thing i migth do i the one lab i got some has a premix of 250 test/200 eq and i debaed running 2 shots for 500 mg test and 400 eq and wondering if that would be way to low on eq. I am a lower is better if possible. I know i had not had hair issues with test and most do not with eq. I am hoping the dbol does not do much now i have heard by a few to use the dbol or any oral as a "finisher" instead of a starter.
 

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OK guys had to make a couple adjustments as I was going one say then another. Thought i had enough of one mix but did not so here is what I started on 4/27/21

Week 1-16 450 mg tst cypionate 150 (trt does sun) 1/2 cc of 250mg cypionate 125mg TU, TH
Week 1-16 equipise 500. 1/2 cc TU, TH

Now i have not decided but have time to if i will add a finisher. I was going with 30mg of dbol for 30 days as a kickstarter but figure ill do a finisher. Might do the dbol or LGD or maybe LGD/S4 combo for maybe last 4 weeks of the cycle and see if i can go into cruise with it. First part of cycle was 4/27 will be getting bloods 10/13/21 most likely.
 
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Your cc measurements/mg amounts make no sense whatsoever, for both the test cyp and the EQ.

1/2cc is 0.5ml. If you are pinning 0.5ml x2 of EQ, that's 1ml total. To be getting the 500mg you claim, your EQ must be 500mg per ml, which I doubt. I mean it could be, but....

Your 450mg test cyp is even moreso confusing.
 

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ok i lll do mg 150mg test cyp on sunday 125 cyp and 250 same syringe different vials tuesday and thursday total is 400 test and 500 eq per week.

i take pharm grad cyp on sunday my trt
DOnt think they like names mentioned but eq is 500mg per ml and long standing company test cyp is 250mg per ml. not as long term co but lots of good reviews until they closed shop and some guys i knkow that do NPC used them with no issues.
 
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ok i lll do mg 150mg test cyp on sunday 125 cyp and 250 same syringe different vials tuesday and thursday total is 400 test and 500 eq per week.

i take pharm grad cyp on sunday my trt
DOnt think they like names mentioned but eq is 500mg per ml and long standing company test cyp is 250mg per ml. not as long term co but lots of good reviews until they closed shop and some guys i knkow that do NPC used them with no issues.
I would normally say don't use those crazy 400-500mg/ml products but eq is one of the few that doesn't need a ton of solvent to make higher dosed products. The raws are basically liquid at room temperature to begin with. Also don't let anyone tell you you need to take high doses of eq, ya 600 is a good dose for most ppl but even 200 will add some benifits to a cycle. On the opposite end of the spectrum I was talking to someone not too long ago who used 2000 a week of eq on there last cycle yikes!
 

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I would normally say don't use those crazy 400-500mg/ml products but eq is one of the few that doesn't need a ton of solvent to make higher dosed products. The raws are basically liquid at room temperature to begin with. Also don't let anyone tell you you need to take high doses of eq, ya 600 is a good dose for most ppl but even 200 will add some benifits to a cycle. On the opposite end of the spectrum I was talking to someone not too long ago who used 2000 a week of eq on there last cycle yikes!
thanks bro. I have had a couple people tell me that you can get good gains off lower eq i settled in on 400 test and 500 eq for this run. Now if you want to give thoughts i am going to do an oral finisher. I was going to use it as a kick starter. I have 100 11mg lgd tabs and 100 10 mg dianabol tabs. I know 4 weeks of dboll is good for many. not sure about lgd as it seems its often ran for 8 weeks so i am only about to start week 3 of a 16 weeker so i have a bit of time.. I was thking i coul ddo 50 days at 22mg a day if that is not too high a dose and then debate if i want to run both orals this time or just one. This is my first non test only cycle
 
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thanks bro. I have had a couple people tell me that you can get good gains off lower eq i settled in on 400 test and 500 eq for this run. Now if you want to give thoughts i am going to do an oral finisher. I was going to use it as a kick starter. I have 100 11mg lgd tabs and 100 10 mg dianabol tabs. I know 4 weeks of dboll is good for many. not sure about lgd as it seems its often ran for 8 weeks so i am only about to start week 3 of a 16 weeker so i have a bit of time.. I was thking i coul ddo 50 days at 22mg a day if that is not too high a dose and then debate if i want to run both orals this time or just one. This is my first non test only cycle
Oral lgd I didn't notice much till I hit 20mg, at 30 it was better and I didn't have any sides. I'm definitely in the more is better camp when it comes to sarms. I feel like most sarms orally need 20-40mg but at that point the cost is high and I'd rather use a low dose of a oral steroid.

Either way I'd definitely finish the cycle with the oral to give that extra kick when things start to go stale. But if I was 8 or 10 weeks in and still making progress I probably wouldn't add it and save it.
 
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Basically I would add something when the gains stall, not just add something because it's week number whatever. I kinda stopped planning cycles. I try to have a basic idea what I want to do and add thing when needed or remove things if sides are bad
 

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Basically I would add something when the gains stall, not just add something because it's week number whatever. I kinda stopped planning cycles. I try to have a basic idea what I want to do and add thing when needed or remove things if sides are bad
SOunds like an idea thing is with my level of experience its hard to tell as this is my third cycle but first non test and have been on trt for 3 years. That is a pretty good idea though to think of. I am still at the trial and error but i am not gettin wreckless like some cycles i hear. I mean i have no illusions of a pro card or liklely even competeing. Just want to be the best me i can be
 
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SOunds like an idea thing is with my level of experience its hard to tell as this is my third cycle but first non test and have been on trt for 3 years. That is a pretty good idea though to think of. I am still at the trial and error but i am not gettin wreckless like some cycles i hear. I mean i have no illusions of a pro card or liklely even competeing. Just want to be the best me i can be
I ain't winning no pro card over here either. I just try to stay bigger and stronger then my friends and have fun in the gym
 

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