Next cycle growth?

[JS424]

So when it comes to (I'm going to say Msten in particular, I suppose the drug may not matter), I have heard people putting on 12-20 pounds during their first cycle.

Would this likely be the case if they cycled it again say a year later? Would they add another 12-20 pounds or is that huge weight due to it being a new compound in the system?

Also, how many cycles of Msten in particular or an anabolic of similar strength can be ran safely in a 12 month period?

Thanks

 

[NattyBoy]

So when it comes to (I'm going to say Msten in particular, I suppose the drug may not matter), I have heard people putting on 12-20 pounds during their first cycle.

Would this likely be the case if they cycled it again say a year later? Would they add another 12-20 pounds or is that huge weight due to it being a new compound in the system?

Also, how many cycles of Msten in particular or an anabolic of similar strength can be ran safely in a 12 month period?

Thanks

I've seen people run cycles of m1t, msten, tvar all at once gain 10lbs and wait a year to run a cycle of epistane and gain 20. I think if you give yourself enough time off and follow a good program the results will be similar if not just as good

 

[bananagains]

To many factors at play.

Water retention?
Genetic potential and how far you are from it?
Wha compound?
Diet?
Fat gain?


Needless to say, even though I've only done one four week cycle, if you know wha your doing on cycle you will make gains.

 

[max d]

You'll probably get your best gains your first cycle. Whether u keep them or not depends on where ur at with ur genetic potential as previously pointed out. In the long run I don't see a point of doing a cycle for growth. I have done numerous "bulking" cycles on PH and you will lose the majority if not all of the gains. Now I only use gear for cuts to retain mass while dieting.

 

[GetRekt]

the progression of cycles and natural progression is very alike, even though it may seem counter-intuitive. both follow a decay-type curve, with progression leading to an asymptote (maximum), and the progression being relative to the distance away from the maximum [LBM].
basically if you're 80 pounds under your genetic potential you will gain much faster than if you are 40 pounds under your potential, assuming all factors are consistent.
what steroids will do is raise this maximum, and also make the "gap" larger, resulting in faster gains while you take this drug.
if you do a cycle and gain a certain amount, then do another cycle down the road (all factors the same, especially DOSAGE), your gains should be slower. if you run for the same amount of time, then the total gains you would get would be less than the first.

this is typically why people will raise their dose or add in other compounds, as this would again raise that maximum further, and create a larger gap, resulting in the same rate of growth.

now I'm not saying that this gap is the same proportion when you're natural or not, because people obviously gain much faster while on something than when natural, but you get what i mean when adding in doses. of course it would be much more complicated when increasing dosages, diminishing returns, compound synergy, etc. but using this as a rough guideline, as you get closer to the maximum, your gains will slow. hope this helps.

 

[BlockBuilder]

the progression of cycles and natural progression is very alike, even though it may seem counter-intuitive. both follow a decay-type curve, with progression leading to an asymptote (maximum), and the progression being relative to the distance away from the maximum [LBM].
basically if you're 80 pounds under your genetic potential you will gain much faster than if you are 40 pounds under your potential, assuming all factors are consistent.
what steroids will do is raise this maximum, and also make the "gap" larger, resulting in faster gains while you take this drug.
if you do a cycle and gain a certain amount, then do another cycle down the road (all factors the same, especially DOSAGE), your gains should be slower. if you run for the same amount of time, then the total gains you would get would be less than the first.

this is typically why people will raise their dose or add in other compounds, as this would again raise that maximum further, and create a larger gap, resulting in the same rate of growth.

now I'm not saying that this gap is the same proportion when you're natural or not, because people obviously gain much faster while on something than when natural, but you get what i mean when adding in doses. of course it would be much more complicated when increasing dosages, diminishing returns, compound synergy, etc. but using this as a rough guideline, as you get closer to the maximum, your gains will slow. hope this helps.

Helpful post that makes a lot of sense

 

[JS424]

the progression of cycles and natural progression is very alike, even though it may seem counter-intuitive. both follow a decay-type curve, with progression leading to an asymptote (maximum), and the progression being relative to the distance away from the maximum [LBM].
basically if you're 80 pounds under your genetic potential you will gain much faster than if you are 40 pounds under your potential, assuming all factors are consistent.
what steroids will do is raise this maximum, and also make the "gap" larger, resulting in faster gains while you take this drug.
if you do a cycle and gain a certain amount, then do another cycle down the road (all factors the same, especially DOSAGE), your gains should be slower. if you run for the same amount of time, then the total gains you would get would be less than the first.

this is typically why people will raise their dose or add in other compounds, as this would again raise that maximum further, and create a larger gap, resulting in the same rate of growth.

now I'm not saying that this gap is the same proportion when you're natural or not, because people obviously gain much faster while on something than when natural, but you get what i mean when adding in doses. of course it would be much more complicated when increasing dosages, diminishing returns, compound synergy, etc. but using this as a rough guideline, as you get closer to the maximum, your gains will slow. hope this helps.

Thanks. It does help