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Jiigzz said:
Deloads are always suggested, especially when utilising higher intesity lifts that require greater CNS recruitment, however a typical 5 day split has 6 days if recovery between each workout that typically uses lower intensity.

If we were talking about periodising for an athlete who performs max intensity lifts or doing repetitive high intensity sprints or something, then yes, the chance to develop OTS becomes more real but still avoidable if you're smart.

They key is in the periodisation method that allows for adequete deloading.
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Agreed, I feel the typical reason why BB's fail to make improvements is the lack of applying the conjugate system of higher training effects.
 
kissdadookie said:
I honestly don't think scheduling a deload makes much sense IMO. I dial it back a little if I start feeling like I can't recover quickly enough (signs of this would be losing strength/reps). When this happens I may change up some exercises, adjust the volume or drop the weights a little for the following week.

My view on this is that we are living organisms and have high variability, so how does scheduling deloads make sense. Does one magically require a deload every X days? Not really, use them when you have to.
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I respect your opinion but if your not detailing specifics of your program then your only selling yourself short. You' ll learn a lot more by at least keeping track of the times when you do take a deload
 
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braskibra said:
I respect your opinion but if your not detailing specifics of your program then your only selling yourself short. You' ll learn a lot more by at least keeping track of the times when you do take a deload
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How am I selling myself short? If I was to schedule deloads regardless if I really needed one or not (I'm also not powerlifting), that would be selling myself short.

Thus the whole point of people not understanding what overtraining really is. They never push anywhere near the extent in which they would even come near to overtraining. It's like they read articles or hear pros talk about how they can only do their workouts 4 times a week because they need the time to recover. For them this could be totally true because back to DY, nobody trains like that. If one was to train like that, yeah, 4 days would probably the amount of days you would really want to train due to the intensity involved.

I track progress, I don't go around scheduling deloads even when I don't need them. I take them when I find a need for them. Scheduling them in regardless if I do need them or not is basically wasted potential.
 
kissdadookie said:
How am I selling myself short? If I was to schedule deloads regardless if I really needed one or not (I'm also not powerlifting), that would be selling myself short.

Thus the whole point of people not understanding what overtraining really is. They never push anywhere near the extent in which they would even come near to overtraining. It's like they read articles or hear pros talk about how they can only do their workouts 4 times a week because they need the time to recover. For them this could be totally true because back to DY, nobody trains like that. If one was to train like that, yeah, 4 days would probably the amount of days you would really want to train due to the intensity involved.

I track progress, I don't go around scheduling deloads even when I don't need them. I take them when I find a need for them. Scheduling them in regardless if I do need them or not is basically wasted potential.
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I wouldnt either. BBers dont need to. Sometimes a few days off can provide enough rest to recover enough. I run a Strength + hypertrophy hybrid programme and on my deloads, i still hit my hypertrophy work hard
 
Jiigzz said:
We do indeed, but all of the best written powerlifting periodisation plans incorporate them for a reason. For a typical BBer split you won't need to. For a powerlifting cycle you'd be foolish not to. At least in my opinion.

Scheduled deloads ensure you are prepared for the next me so cycle without compounding neural fatigue. We are talking regularly using higher intensity though

Oh, and I was giving my own deload schedule (from lifts over 90% 1RM). If you're a BBer then deloading is at your own discretion IMO.
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As usual, I agree with almost all of what you have posted ITT. (IRT training info mostly)

I am doing mine every 4th week now, I don't prefer it, but I understand why it is necessary with the way my training is being done at this time.


I've done two different ways of choosing my deloads, 1 is just scheduling 2-3 per 12 week training cycle (using a conjugate method of training) and taking them whenever I felt they were needed throughout that training cycle, and the 2nd being what I am doing currently (taking them every 4th week whether I feel I need them or not).


But, the way my training is currently setup, each new training wave has a weight increase that is based upon how well I performed during the final phase of the previous training wave, so by doing the scheduled, preventative deloads I ensure that I am fully recovered when it is time to start the next training wave and allows me to continue to perform each wave at the highest level possible.



Also, as far as training goes, mine is fairly similar to yours (weekly setup).


Mon- Deadlift, Front Squat (5/3/1), Unilateral Lower, Back, Posterior Chain
Tue- Conditioning Work/Core/Speed Development
Wed- Log Press from Rack (push), Log C+P (strict), Vertical Pull/Horizontal Pull, Upper Back, Triceps
Thu- Conditioning/Core/Speed Development
Fri- CG Bench, Axle Inc. Bench (5/3/1), Chest, Shoulders, Biceps
Sat- Events
Sun- Rest


Tuesday and Thursday can be rest days as well if I feel it is necessary, but I typically try to some type of conditioning or speed work (usually with carrying events).

Each wave I have been increasing the volume of each session slightly to improve work capacity, and I typically start each session with some form of low intensity/high volume rear delt work. Recently, I've been considering adding either more chest work on Friday, or adding some chest work on Wednesday (superset with triceps).
 
jimbuick said:
As usual, I agree with almost all of what you have posted ITT. (IRT training info mostly)

I am doing mine every 4th week now, I don't prefer it, but I understand why it is necessary with the way my training is being done at this time.

I've done two different ways of choosing my deloads, 1 is just scheduling 2-3 per 12 week training cycle (using a conjugate method of training) and taking them whenever I felt they were needed throughout that training cycle, and the 2nd being what I am doing currently (taking them every 4th week whether I feel I need them or not).

But, the way my training is currently setup, each new training wave has a weight increase that is based upon how well I performed during the final phase of the previous training wave, so by doing the scheduled, preventative deloads I ensure that I am fully recovered when it is time to start the next training wave and allows me to continue to perform each wave at the highest level possible.

Also, as far as training goes, mine is fairly similar to yours (weekly setup).

Mon- Deadlift, Front Squat (5/3/1), Unilateral Lower, Back, Posterior Chain
Tue- Conditioning Work/Core/Speed Development
Wed- Log Press from Rack (push), Log C+P (strict), Vertical Pull/Horizontal Pull, Upper Back, Triceps
Thu- Conditioning/Core/Speed Development
Fri- CG Bench, Axle Inc. Bench (5/3/1), Chest, Shoulders, Biceps
Sat- Events
Sun- Rest

Tuesday and Thursday can be rest days as well if I feel it is necessary, but I typically try to some type of conditioning or speed work (usually with carrying events).

Each wave I have been increasing the volume of each session slightly to improve work capacity, and I typically start each session with some form of low intensity/high volume rear delt work. Recently, I've been considering adding either more chest work on Friday, or adding some chest work on Wednesday (superset with triceps).
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That is one different training routine. But I like it. Did Jason set this one up for you or is this your own?
 
kissdadookie said:
How am I selling myself short? If I was to schedule deloads regardless if I really needed one or not (I'm also not powerlifting), that would be selling myself short.

Thus the whole point of people not understanding what overtraining really is. They never push anywhere near the extent in which they would even come near to overtraining. It's like they read articles or hear pros talk about how they can only do their workouts 4 times a week because they need the time to recover. For them this could be totally true because back to DY, nobody trains like that. If one was to train like that, yeah, 4 days would probably the amount of days you would really want to train due to the intensity involved.

I track progress, I don't go around scheduling deloads even when I don't need them. I take them when I find a need for them. Scheduling them in regardless if I do need them or not is basically wasted potential.
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I'm sorry where in my post did I say schedule??? O ya, I didn't, I said track in order to detail your bodys response to xyz training methods
 
GUYS YOU CANT TRAIN FOR MORE THAN 40 minutes or you'll overtrain. 40 minute anaboc windows izreal to. Guyz time to being the real science out. Seriously.

And remember PB is bad for you, 4 lbs / protein per pound of body mass. And don't forget CARBS ARE THE ENEMY!
 
braskibra said:
I'm sorry where in my post did I say schedule??? O ya, I didn't, I said track in order to detail your bodys response to xyz training methods
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Why do I need to track this down on paper if I already stated that I drop things down a bit when I start losing strength/reps? That implies I know what's going on.

So, what's your next argument for the purpose of proving that overtraining is actually a real concern for most people?

Your post to me specified that it was my opinion and the way you drew that conclusion was that I didn't write this stuff down on a scrap of paper or what not. What kind of asinine conclusion is that to make?
 
I love this thread.


So AM has an article talking about CLA being effective for fat loss, so we should grab that new muscletech CLA! ;) :D

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inb4 everyone's sarcasm detectors are broke
 
Wait this thread was still about muscletech right?
 
Dewey99 said:
So far the discussion of Clear Muscle seems pretty polarizing. Many people eagerly await it's release and want to try it, while others try to find problems with the formula before it is even released. If people aren't happy with the study results, then why not wait for logs and/or personal use before rushing to judgment?
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nothing against that product, i just dont like to give my money to a company like that.
 
braskibra said:
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Depends HIGHLY on the individual, training experience, level of fitness, body type.

I typically go every 6-8 weeks depending on what conjugate program I am doing. Take roughly 1-3 weeks of decreased volume.
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Why not do what I've always done? Skip the deload and just take a complete 1-2 weeks off totally every 3 to 4 months? For me I usually go the 2 weeks.
 
EatMoar said:
GUYS YOU CANT TRAIN FOR MORE THAN 40 minutes or you'll overtrain. 40 minute anaboc windows izreal to. Guyz time to being the real science out. Seriously.

And remember PB is bad for you, 4 lbs / protein per pound of body mass. And don't forget CARBS ARE THE ENEMY!
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PB= Peanut butter?
 
Jiigzz said:
Thats not overtraining!! *smashes phone*
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hey new article on the front page originally from tnation, here is part of it its about metabolic damage. "So saying metabolic damage or starvation mode "is a myth" is a lot like saying prediabetes is a myth. Saying "adrenal fatigue does not exist" is a lot like ​saying "over traing doesn't exist" These are functional disturbances that have clinical signs and symptoms that can be picked up on physical exams and blood labs.

These disturbances may or may not have a corresponding diagnostic label, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. This is the gray area between optimal health and disease, the area where function starts becoming compromised.
 
fightnews said:
hey new article on the front page originally from tnation, here is part of it its about metabolic damage. "So saying metabolic damage or starvation mode "is a myth" is a lot like saying prediabetes is a myth. Saying "adrenal fatigue does not exist" is a lot like ​saying "over traing doesn't exist" These are functional disturbances that have clinical signs and symptoms that can be picked up on physical exams and blood labs.

These disturbances may or may not have a corresponding diagnostic label, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. This is the gray area between optimal health and disease, the area where function starts becoming compromised.
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Nobody claimed it didn't exist.
 
fightnews said:
hey new article on the front page originally from tnation, here is part of it its about metabolic damage. "So saying metabolic damage or starvation mode "is a myth" is a lot like saying prediabetes is a myth. Saying "adrenal fatigue does not exist" is a lot like saying "over traing doesn't exist" These are functional disturbances that have clinical signs and symptoms that can be picked up on physical exams and blood labs.

These disturbances may or may not have a corresponding diagnostic label, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. This is the gray area between optimal health and disease, the area where function starts becoming compromised.
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Since when did an article on AM mean that it is reality? Lol. Anywho, adrenal fatigue doesnt exist but that doesnt mean overtraining doesnt. I'm just saying you have no clue what real overtraining is.

Anyway, im out of this discussion now. If you want to argue that overtraining exists in the sense you think it does, then do so. Meanwhile, ill be pushing myself to the brink of my existance making all kinds of gains whilst you restrict yourself based on a syndrome you dont understand.

:D
 
Jiigzz said:
Since when did an article on AM mean that it is reality? Lol. Anywho, adrenal fatigue doesnt exist but that doesnt mean overtraining doesnt. I'm just saying you have no clue what real overtraining is.

Anyway, im out of this discussion now. If you want to argue that overtraining exists in the sense you think it does, then do so. Meanwhile, ill be pushing myself to the brink of my existance making all kinds of gains whilst you restrict yourself based on a syndrome you dont understand.

:D
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Well the guy who wrote the article is a doctor and he says it does exist, I understand you are knowledgeable but it doesn't mean you know everything. Why run away? Anyway you shouldn't make assumptions about what I know and don't know. I have no problem making crazy gains all naturally so I must be doing something right. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest either bro so don't get all uppity on me and start smelling your own farts out of a wine glass or anything.
 
fightnews said:
Well the guy who wrote the article is a doctor and he says it does exist, I understand you are knowledgeable but it doesn't mean you know everything. Why run away? Anyway you shouldn't make assumptions about what I know and don't know. I have no problem making crazy gains all naturally so I must be doing something right. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest either bro so don't get all uppity on me and start smelling your own farts out of a wine glass or anything.
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Oh lord. Ok, you go and believe evrything someone with a PhD says; Synapsin has a PhD and doesnt believe in adrenal fatigue (he can correct me if im wrong), now, which of the two doctors is correct?

I don't ever claim to know everything AND I welcome correction as it only contributes to my learning and understanding, but for one, that article has zero to do with what we are discussing and two, any doctor who claims adrenal fatigue is real without subsequently backing themselves up automatically loses my interest.
If you want to discus OTS, we can via PM.

I should add that i'm not trying to be disrespectful but I literally cannot debate something that you dont understand; i suggest you pubmed OTS and read some studies that outline what it is and how it develops
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh lord. Ok, you go and believe evrything someone with a PhD says; Synapsin has a PhD and doesnt believe in adrenal fatigue (he can correct me if im wrong), now, which of the two doctors is correct?

I don't ever claim to know everything AND I welcome correction as it only contributes to my learning and understanding, but for one, that article has zero to do with what we are discussing and two, any doctor who claims adrenal fatigue is real without subsequently backing themselves up automatically loses my interest.
If you want to discus OTS, we can via PM.
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Nah thats ok but Id like you to look at the questions I posted in the carb thread and see what you think. I will repost them here. I poster at tnation but they deleted the thread heres the jist of it, Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated REPOST:

1, What are the benefit of using Isomaltulose in the Plazma formula as opposed to 100% Highly branched cyclic dextrin?

2. What is the % of di and tri peptides in the MAG-10 protein? I heard it was 97%? Is that correct?
 
fightnews said:
Nah thats ok but Id like you to look at the questions I posted in the carb thread and see what you think. I will repost them here. I poster at tnation but they deleted the thread heres the jist of it, Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated REPOST:

1, What are the benefit of using Isomaltulose in the Plazma formula as opposed to 100% Highly branched cyclic dextrin?

2. What is the % of di and tri peptides in the MAG-10 protein? I heard it was 97%? Is that correct?
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This would be the perfect question for EBF Inc
 
Jiigzz said:
This would be the perfect question for @Invalid Link Removed
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Driven said that to, do you know how I can notify him?
 
fightnews said:
Driven said that to, do you know how I can notify him?
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I mentioned him (using the @ function key and then the users EXACT username). You can also click on the now highlighted name to send him a PM
 
New thread turn! Carbs! :D
 
fightnews said:
LOL f u c k muscletech its a mutiny!
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Heres another turn. I ordered from NP sat night and I havent received a shipping email yet. Is that unusual its 530 where I am
 
aaronuconn said:
I placed an order for some RawFusion yesterday and got a shipping confirmation today.
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Sh1t I hope they didnt mess something up, I did a big order and its like waiting for christmas if you know what I mean? I sent an email should I call them?
 
kissdadookie said:
My additionaly 5 buckets of OEProtein shipped today for what it's worth.
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5 buckets? Jeez bro what are you going to do with all that protein? wont it expire before you can drink it?
 
kissdadookie said:
I think in total, there's around 12-15 or so buckets that will be in my closet? Should last me around 3 months maybe. Maybe less.
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3 lasts me 3 months ;)
 
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