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kissdadookie said:
If you're testing the effects of the HMB-FA, wouldn't that be the only variable you would want? That vs placebo? Diet and training should then be similar between both groups. So again, how does the given diet even matter with a randomized double blind placebo designed study? The whole idea behind a randomized double blind placebo from what I understand is to take out all the variable apart from the variable you are testing for (HMB-FA vs placebo in this instance). So if the people observing do not know whom received the placebo and whom received the HMB-FA as well as the participants, how does that not isolate the the study to just the HMB-FA vs placebo variable? I find it hard to believe that they will just randomly dole out total calories willy nilly in such a study when that is not what they are testing for. So wouldn't the amount of protein (in this instance, Dymatize ISO-100 @ 30 grams w/ their placebo/HMB-FA dose) and diet essentially be the constants here?I also looked over the link I provided, I'm pretty sure that's the actual published study there, not a presentation. So... this getting far in life thing eh, guess I'm doing pretty well after all.
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aaronuconn said:
What is optimal for one may not be optimal for another.
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to wit as willy and nilly are always on about different strokes for different folks
that is the physiological tenets associations PTA balderdash
 
bdcc said:
I train many days consecutively. Does this mean I am making no gains?
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Oh! I get what he is saying now. No, overtraining is not common and a typical BBer split wont get you there.
If people you know arnt gaining, then other pieces to the puzzle are missing.
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh! I get what he is saying now. No, overtraining is not common and a typical BBer split wont get you there.
If people you know arnt gaining, then other pieces to the puzzle are missing.
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I'm pretty certain that for the majority of lifters, your joints will fail you considerably long before you are actually over training.
 
kissdadookie said:
They are an exception :P I like their protein though, actually priced roughly the same as every other good protein. It's not bad quality either. But yeah, the rest of the line makes me scratch my head at how they stay in business with such pricing.
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I'm using them for micropa and Ive always used them for some stuff. Thier products are good quality for sure, I really like their peri workout stuff to like plazma but its so expensive. I wonder if there indigo 3cg really works, It;s another 1 thats like 70 dollars for 2 weeks, Thank god for that place that sells custom mixes. I can make Plazma for a 1/4 of the cost.
 
stankyleg said:
I'm hittin 6 in a row. Each body part twice a week. Best results of my life.
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Are you all natural though? If not that obviously helps with recovery
 
bdcc said:
I train many days consecutively. Does this mean I am making no gains?
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No I don't know everyone is different. I'm just saying I like to get a lot of rest. I'm just coming back from a long lay off though, When I get in shape I'll prob step it up. Are you all natural to?
 
fightnews said:
Are you all natural though? If not that obviously helps with recovery
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I don't take hormones, I hit each body part twice a week. I sometimes go 6 days in a row as well, but usually 5 days. A little while back I did 10 days in a row... could have been 12, I lost count, I know that in that two weeks span of time, I had 2 rest days, I think they were 2 consecutive rest days so my guess is that I had a 12 days in a row lift week. Totally doable for short bursts like that, recovery isn't that big of a deal in that scenario, the recovery problem comes when you try to go at that rate for a prolonged period of time, then yeah, recovery is going to be a huge issue. Also depends on intensity of workouts.
 
EatMoar said:
Agreed. I love training 6x a week, 2x body parts a week. People say it's over training but god damn who cares if you're making gainZzzz
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Thats what it all comes down to, Its not over training if you make gainz. I shouldnt have said that about everyonbe in the gym, Obviously not everyone even wants to make gains, Even me, I don't want to get as big as before/ Some people just work out to stay in shape and maintain their weight which is a GREAT thing really.

How come this site won't let us use multi quote? Mines not working so sorry for the multiple posts.
 
fightnews said:
No I don't know everyone is different. I'm just saying I like to get a lot of rest. I'm just coming back from a long lay off though, When I get in shape I'll prob step it up. Are you all natural to?
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I am reluctant to say 'natural' as I don't conform to WADA guidelines with pre workouts, stimulants etc.

I am steroid free though, yes.
 
kissdadookie said:
I don't take hormones, I hit each body part twice a week. I sometimes go 6 days in a row as well, but usually 5 days. A little while back I did 10 days in a row... could have been 12, I lost count, I know that in that two weeks span of time, I had 2 rest days, I think they were 2 consecutive rest days so my guess is that I had a 12 days in a row lift week. Totally doable for short bursts like that, recovery isn't that big of a deal in that scenario, the recovery problem comes when you try to go at that rate for a prolonged period of time, then yeah, recovery is going to be a huge issue. Also depends on intensity of workouts.
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Plus it helps when you take a lot of these cutting edger supps don't you think? Like even the glyco fuel plus aminos is big for recovery wouldn't you say?
 
bdcc said:
I am reluctant to say 'natural' as I don't conform to WADA guidelines with pre workouts, stimulants etc.

I am steroid free though, yes.
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Thats cool bro im not trying to judge anybody but obviously weather or not you use steroids is a BIG deal when you're talking recovery
 
fightnews said:
I'm using them for micropa and Ive always used them for some stuff. Thier products are good quality for sure, I really like their peri workout stuff to like plazma but its so expensive. I wonder if there indigo 3cg really works, It;s another 1 thats like 70 dollars for 2 weeks, Thank god for that place that sells custom mixes. I can make Plazma for a 1/4 of the cost.
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Which place??lol also ive heard glycofuse from gaspari nutrition is the same as plasma but cheaper.
 
Markos4 said:
Which place??lol also ive heard glycofuse from gaspari nutrition is the same as plasma but cheaper.
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Glycofuse doesn't have the peptopro, Supposedly biotest uses a more refined version of peptopro but whatever.
 
fightnews said:
Plus it helps when you take a lot of these cutting edger supps don't you think? Like even the glyco fuel plus aminos is big for recovery wouldn't you say?
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Some do, some don't, it all really depends. There's quite a number of variables in play which includes sleep, daily activity outside of the gym, nutrition, etc.
 
kissdadookie said:
I don't take hormones, I hit each body part twice a week. I sometimes go 6 days in a row as well, but usually 5 days. A little while back I did 10 days in a row... could have been 12, I lost count, I know that in that two weeks span of time, I had 2 rest days, I think they were 2 consecutive rest days so my guess is that I had a 12 days in a row lift week. Totally doable for short bursts like that, recovery isn't that big of a deal in that scenario, the recovery problem comes when you try to go at that rate for a prolonged period of time, then yeah, recovery is going to be a huge issue. Also depends on intensity of workouts.
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Over-training is one of the most over used terms on these forums. 90% of people that talk about over-training really aren't. Your body can handle massive workloads that come with frequent training, as long as you provide it with sufficient food and rest (sleep, not necessarily days off) to recover. Some supplements can help, and Clear Muscle seems to have a lot of potential in this area.
 
Dewey99 said:
Over-training is one of the most over used terms on these forums. 90% of people that talk about over-training really aren't. Your body can handle massive workloads that come with frequent training, as long as you provide it with sufficient food and rest (sleep, not necessarily days off) to recover. Some supplements can help, and Clear Muscle seems to have a lot of potential in this area.
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Thats exactly what i was asking for before that t bone guy got all mad at me. It seems clear muscle will help u be less vulnerable to overtraining.
 
Dewey99 said:
Over-training is one of the most over used terms on these forums. 90% of people that talk about over-training really aren't. Your body can handle massive workloads that come with frequent training, as long as you provide it with sufficient food and rest (sleep, not necessarily days off) to recover. Some supplements can help, and Clear Muscle seems to have a lot of potential in this area.
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Yeah but when you add the gym on top of everything else like say a physical job that adds to it to.
 
Markos4 said:
Thats exactly what i was asking for before that t bone guy got all mad at me. It seems clear muscle will help u be less vulnerable to overtraining.
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Your statement is true, but the point a lot of people are trying to make is that so few actually push themselves to that limit in the first place. Even then, Clear Muscle may help your muscles respond to grueling training, but it will not make up for poor nutrition or lack of rest.

fightnews said:
Yeah but when you add the gym on top of everything else like say a physical job that adds to it to.
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That's true. Physical work can definitely add to your stress load.
 
fightnews said:
Yeah but when you add the gym on top of everything else like say a physical job that adds to it to.
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That would deal with the CNS not overtraining your muscles.
 
Dewey99 said:
Your statement is true, but the point a lot of people are trying to make is that so few actually push themselves to that limit in the first place. Even then, Clear Muscle may help your muscles respond to grueling training, but it will not make up for poor nutrition or lack of rest.



That's true. Physical work can definitely add to your stress load.
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I hope the free acid works im really happy about all these new effective natural supplements. Its a good time to be a natural lifter
 
kissdadookie said:
I'm pretty certain that for the majority of lifters, your joints will fail you considerably long before you are actually over training.
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from over training, your joints will fail down the road considerably more certainly in the majority of lifters
 
then I shall drinkmoar
 
The body is remarkably adaptive. If you gradually increase volume/ frequency or intensity, the body can adapt to those loads but one must realize that Over-training is not muscular based. If you train to the point where in the next session of that muscle group is hindered, then you simply have not allowed enough time for a full recovery but again, this is NOT over-training. That is under-recovery.

Over-training doesn't literally mean training too much, or at least, not in the way you interpret it. Many of the 'big lifts' require tremendous CNS recruitment when intensity is greatest (percentage of 1RM, not perceived intensity). The issue here is that many BBers simply do not work at high enough intensity to warrant fear of overtraining.

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If you train to the point where in the next session of that muscle group is hindered, then you simply have not allowed enough time for a full recovery but again, this is NOT over-training.

If you drink to the point where in the next morning you are sick, this is not over-drinking you simply have not allowed enough time to realize you should have had apples rather than oranges
 
Jiigzz said:
The body is remarkably adaptive. If you gradually increase volume/ frequency or intensity, the body can adapt to those loads but one must realize that Over-training is not muscular based. If you train to the point where in the next session of that muscle group is hindered, then you simply have not allowed enough time for a full recovery but again, this is NOT over-training. That is under-recovery.

Over-training doesn't literally mean training too much, or at least, not in the way you interpret it. Many of the 'big lifts' require tremendous CNS recruitment when intensity is greatest (percentage of 1RM, not perceived intensity). The issue here is that many BBers simply do not work at high enough intensity to warrant fear of overtraining.

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Also, I believe the youtube video states that the lifters hit legs 4x a week (leg exercises 6x a week). That will induce over-training.

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R1balla said:
I never thought I'd see the day where AM users would be using a muscle tech product
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I like the new MT. Prices are decent too.
 
I agree with you fellas. The old MT is dead and gone.. They've done a pretty good job distancing themselves from "the old MT" the last year or two (atleast IMO)

Actually very interested in Clear Muscle and any other new MT products. They've really made a good turn in the right direction
 
MultiVitamin said:
I agree with you fellas. The old MT is dead and gone.. They've done a pretty good job distancing themselves from "the old MT" the last year or two (atleast IMO) Actually very interested in Clear Muscle and any other new MT products. They've really made a good turn in the right direction
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There "Essential Line" will have some nice products. There will be some CLA and Glutamine in bulk, which of course the forum-bros won't like, but there should be some other nice bulk ingredients coming.
 
aaronuconn said:
There "Essential Line" will have some nice products. There will be some CLA and Glutamine in bulk, which of course the forum-bros won't like, but there should be some other nice bulk ingredients coming.
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I wonder how they will have the dosing set up for PS. Stuff is hella expensive.
 
Since all of their sponsored athletes are jumping ship after their contracts end with no chance of return, maybe Muscletech is finally reevaluating their business model.

Still never going to buy anything from them.
 
Touey said:
If you train to the point where in the next session of that muscle group is hindered, then you simply have not allowed enough time for a full recovery but again, this is NOT over-training.

If you drink to the point where in the next morning you are sick, this is not over-drinking you simply have not allowed enough time to realize you should have had apples rather than oranges
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Yeah, exactly. The newest trend is to say overtraining isn't happening to anyone who trains too hard or too often to make any gains. You have to use a different word now.
 
fasttaker said:
Yeah, exactly. The newest trend is to say overtraining isn't happening to anyone who trains too hard or too often to make any gains. You have to use a different word now.
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It's all bs to be honest. Everyone just wants to sell you something or stop you from doing something.
 
R1balla said:
I never thought I'd see the day where AM users would be using a muscle tech product
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I can see where people may have had issues with MT in the past, but just about everything produced in the last 2-3 years has been pretty darn good. Looking at the current lineup and all the stuff that is coming out in the next 2-3 months, I think the number of AM users that don't use MT products will become more and more rare. Hopefully you keep an open mind and give some of the new stuff a shot.

kissdadookie said:
I wonder how they will have the dosing set up for PS. Stuff is hella expensive.
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I can't comment on the price point for the Phosphatydlserine, but I can tell you that it is very well dosed. You will be pleased.
 
Dewey99 said:
I can see where people may have had issues with MT in the past, but just about everything produced in the last 2-3 years has been pretty darn good. Looking at the current lineup and all the stuff that is coming out in the next 2-3 months, I think the number of AM users that don't use MT products will become more and more rare. Hopefully you keep an open mind and give some of the new stuff a shot.I can't comment on the price point for the Phosphatydlserine, but I can tell you that it is very well dosed. You will be pleased.
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I have no problem with muscletech, Everyone sh1ts on cell tech but I used it and liked it in the past, I understand all the sugar is bad for you know but at the time it worked great
 
fasttaker said:
Yeah, exactly. The newest trend is to say overtraining isn't happening to anyone who trains too hard or too often to make any gains. You have to use a different word now.
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Thats bs some people do overtrain
 
fightnews said:
Thats bs some people do overtrain
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Unless you're an elite athlete or regularly testing 1RM for extended periods - it is unlikely. Pubmed "over training syndrome" and don't just use Google.
 
Yeah, Cell-Tech is not one of my favorite products, but even the new version of that is solid. Only 13 grams of the 38 grams of carbs comes from sugar now with the rest coming from complex carb sources. They also added some nice ingredients to the formula like ALA and aminos.
 
Jiigzz said:
Unless you're an elite athlete or regularly testing 1RM for extended periods - it is unlikely. Pubmed "over training syndrome" and don't just use Google.
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I believe you It's just I always seem to get much better results when I get a lot of rest
 
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