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New to this, would like as much info as possible.

afitalianlp

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Hey guys,

Ok i'm completely new to this, so I wasn't sure where to post, but I came to these forums looking for anabolic advice so i'm posting here. I'm about 145-150lbs, 22yrs old, 6'0 and i'm looking to put on some muscle. I've been lifting since July, and just recently switched to a cardio workout. My only catch is that I have a hyper active thyroid, which makes it hard to keep some of the weight/muscle on, so i'm looking for a safe way to put some muscle on quickly without ruining my body. Any ideas?

If you need more info, let me know.

Thanks.
 
First off, I don't think you should take any PH/AAS with your stats. However, you make your own decisions in your life and i'm not your daddy. At 22 you're done with puberty so the option is yours so i'll help as much as possible.

B/c this will be your first cycle, i'd start off simple and at low dosages to see how your body responds to anabolics. You should always include Test as a base. I suggest you run a long ester test only cycle at 500mg/day for 10-12 weeks. The most common long acting esters are ethanate and cypionate. Many users are now making their own injectables from powders due to the lower cost. However, you are new to this, I suggest you just buy ampules. If you do want to add another anabolic, I reccommend deca at 400mg/wk for 9-11 weeks...deca is known to shut your testes down (test helps neutralize this while "on") therefore you will want to run the deca a week less than the test. Note its inevitable you will shutdown after all hormones are done....thats where PCT comes in. I suggest nolva or clomid...starting 2 weeks after your last inject (anabolics are long acting so the test will clear in 2 weeks from last inject, deca 3 weeks after).

Info I have given you is just a starting point. You will want to research on the following topics before you start:

-PCT
-Clomid/Nolva
-Test enanthate
-Deca
-HPTA shutdown
-Injections (spotinjections.com)
-Dosages
-cycle lengths

It would take me forever to explain to you everything. Everything is on the board and very easy to find...just use the search button and do tons of reading. Takes months to learn everything and i'm still learning everyday. However, if you need more help and find what I gave you useful, feel free to pm me and we can hook up on AIM (if you have an account). Good luck and feel free to ask questions...many good bros on the boards that will help.
 
Thanks for the info, i'd like to stay away from injections initially to do something simple so that I can learn and possibly go from there, if that makes any sense? Are there ways to do anabolic programs without injections? I'm looking to get from my 145 to 160 if at all possible. Also, are these ok with a thyroid problem? Any warnings against that?
 
so theres no way basically to do this sort of workout without injection? Im just looking to gather information, and as much of it from vets as possible, for the time being i'm staying on my current routine, but for the future it'd be nice to get the knowledge now and put it to use later.
 
well if you're looking for knowledge you've come to the right place - if you're looking for handouts this is not the place

use the search button to look up what mauibuilt had mentioned...also check the nutrition forum and exercises forum. Don't be afraid to ask questions, BUT, make sure you have actually looked on your own to find the answer first.

back to the topic on hand....as matt d said, wait until next year at least if not more. Get your diet in order and start off by learing about the basic supplements...the sky's the limit after that
 
ok, maybe a stab in the dark but i'd try a "weight gainer" considering your stats. i know the "dextrose is bad" argument and the rest of that garbage, but it still does work to put on pounds. hell, it's what i started on. my favorite was N-Large II, check it out at Invalid Link Removed
 
hey thanks for the info, I actually just ordered some 100% whey protein from them, any tips on taking N-Large II with other products?
 
Learn to eat like crazy, put on maybe 30+lbs of muscle naturally so you know you have at least a basic handle on the training and diet, then you will be able to use gear and actually HOLD ON TO THE GAINS, rather than deflate when you come off because you don't know how to train and eat. Once you do that, there's a wealth of info out there man...
 
Cool thanks again, I think i'll be using the whey protein/exercise combo for awhile, speaking of which, would something along the lines of this combo product:

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Be a good area to start into after a few months?

Also, using the whey protein, I understand eating a lot will help, but what would be considered the right foods before and after training? For example, currently I do a M-W-F workout, with M-Biceps/Triceps and W-Chest and F-Back and Shoulders. I have been taking a creatine powder before and after each workout and eating high carb meals such as pasta around a half hour to an hour afterwards. Using the whey protein, can I continue to take the creatine, or will it not matter in this regard?
 
stay away from the ph/ps and AAS for a while, train natural for a couple of years and see where that takes you. W/ a hyper active thyroid you need to eat like crazy, every 2 hours. You barely have 6 months of training under your belt, way too soon to be thinking about anabolics.
 
those products aren't your regular supplements. they carry the same risks and side effects as using real gear and the same advice is given.....get your diet and routine in check.

As others have said learn to eat and eat and eat. Read up on what style of lifting will work best for you. There are many other factors that need to be addressed before you start taking PH/AAS.
 
I will, yah it's hard enough eating every two hours, with the desk job going from 9 to 5, I barely sometimes get a decent lunch, most of my eating takes place when I get home so that's the problem. The majority of my day I can't eat as i'm busy at work, so that's why i'm looking to get some extra "help". But all of this has been real informative.

On another note, is it bad to use the creatine along with a whey protein? The creatine if anything has provided me with some great results, I'm not much bigger in "size" but i'm a lot more tone than I was before, however there is room for improvement. Any thoughts on my workout routine or supplement materials used?
 
afitalianlp said:
hey thanks for the info, I actually just ordered some 100% whey protein from them, any tips on taking N-Large II with other products?
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Instead of wasting your money on NLarge2 get some all the whey protein (19.99 for 80 servings @ 23g/serving Invalid Link Removed) and some maltodextrin from NOW @ 1fast400.com (aka bulknutrition.com) for $12, 60 servings @ 50g/serving. You'll have your sugar and your protein...more servings for less money.

FYI, try to keep to using the malto for post workout and maybe preworkout. I think even skinny people can get fat on that ****...I put 2" on my waist in like 2 months using that crap!
 
FYI, try to keep to using the malto for post workout and maybe preworkout. I think even skinny people can get fat on that ****...I put 2" on my waist in like 2 months using that crap!
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So ditch the creatine from GNC and use a Whey Protein product before and after workouts with a malto post workout? I'm looking to put on about 10 to 15 pounds here as effectively and healthy as possible at first.
 
afitalianlp said:
So ditch the creatine from GNC and use a Whey Protein product before and after workouts with a malto post workout? I'm looking to put on about 10 to 15 pounds here as effectively and healthy as possible at first.
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2g protein per pound per day min so... 300g for and don't believe the 'you can only digest/absorb/use 25g at a time'. My gains made a big jump when I start slugging back 75g of protein at the right time. Creatine mono didn't do much except bloat me but I have heard very good things about Creatine Ethyl ester.... and don't support GNC.

Stick with simple carbs in your postworkout shake only and start low and increase the amount until you are adding a good amount of mass with out turning into a fat bastard.

With your stats you should make good gains on just about any training as long as you are getting proper nutrition. My suggestion would be to start on a low volume high intensity and gradually increase volume until you find where you are getting the best strength gains once you figured that out all you got to do to grow is eat eat eat. If your lifts aren't going up from month to month or even week to week as a novice you are doing something wrong lower your volume and working on increasing strength. And I have found I go through periods where I'm not gain mass but I can add to my lifts and all I have to do is switch up my training and nutrition and the gains follow very quickly then tapper off ....strength....mass....strength... mass seems to be more common than most people think.... I constantly hear of guys hitting platueas. Don't just keep pluging along change up everything when to stop seeing results.

Diet Rest Training supplements in that order of importance.
 
Thanks for the insight dego. I just picked up some malto and ill include that with my routine (ie. the whey protein and just ELIMINATE the creatine altogether).

Speaking of gains, since I started in July I have been able to increase the weights every month, the progress has been noticable at this point and I can definitely tell that I was gaining from those increases.
 
why eliminate creatine? sorry but i have to disagree with some people here. it's all good advice, but 300g protein a day is overkill; especially for someone just starting out. all the info you guys have posted here would be great for ronnie coleman, but it might drive away a beginner more than it would help him.

to sum it up, make sure your getting adequate protein, carbs, calories. 1gm/lb of protein per lb of weight will be fine for now. get your pre/post workout nutrition down (check the nutrition forum) and pick up some creatine from somewhere be it mono, CEE, or whatever. and pick up your protein from a board sponsor. i don't want to disagree with others here, but KISS works best at first (keep it simple stupid.) as you progress and grow, more advanced nutrtional habits will be learned, and you can start thinking about using performance enhancers such as testosterone; but wait a bit first.
 
afitalianlp said:
Thanks for the info, i'd like to stay away from injections initially to do something simple so that I can learn and possibly go from there, if that makes any sense? Are there ways to do anabolic programs without injections? I'm looking to get from my 145 to 160 if at all possible. Also, are these ok with a thyroid problem? Any warnings against that?
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If you're not willing to use a needle, then dont bother with juice... oral steroids are not supposed to be used by themselves, and you will get insulted and flamed on these boards for even suggesting the use of a cycle

Injections are pretty simple; the cycle just recommended to you is prolly the easiest out there... involves injecting twice a week and thats it...

As for thyroid issues, I'd research that if I were you; dont come around expecting info to be given to you
 
So taking a Whey Protein with the maltodextrin is or isn't a bad idea? I have a pretty good workout right now with the creatine supplement and i'm looking to add more to it. I've been reading information here and there on this forum (which is real helpful), just looking for some more hands on insight.
 
Creatine == good
Whey == good

Whey + maltodextrin == Nlarge2, so mixing the two just saves you money. The maltodextrin "will" allow you to put on weight. Taking it all damn day long will probably make most of that in your belly, it's got a glycemic index (GI) of 140!!!!! That's ridiculously high! so, it causes massive insulins spikes, etc.

The reason I brought up the malto, is because you were going to buy Nlarge2. So adding Malto + Whey is pretty much the same thing, you'll just be saving money on it. That's all.

Basics: Creatine + Whey protein

Get your whey from http://www.allthewhey.com; it's the best source for whey on the net--possibly on the planet as far as retail is concerned. You cannot beat the prices and the quality is great. Creatine, just buy whatever, wherever you can find the cheapest per gram. I believe sledge of Designer Supplements (Invalid Link Removed) will have a Creatine Ethyl Ester HCl (CEE) of his own coming out as soon as he can get the flavoring done. It will be great, I'm sure of that. He's always fair on pricing, too! So, I'd buy that if it's available.

Again, I'll wrap it up...creatine is good, whey is good, malto can be good, but it's got a super high GI and should be used sparingly and when necessary, i.e. post workout. If you're diabetic, don't use the stuff. :)
 
wow thanks i'll keep that in mind. Yah the creatine is pretty cheap stuff, not sure of the name off the top of my head, but after it's finished i'll be going with a cheaper solution rather than GNC, there stuff tends to be watered down garbage. I'll try and keep you guys updated.
 
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