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Affliction2u said:
honestly is there much difference between test e and finaflex's 1-andro???
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test e is testosterone while 1 andro (1-test) very different...first off all test is king, no arguing that. If you look at the molecular structure test has a double bond at the 4 position while 1 andro, well you guessed it has it at the 1 position

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the double bond is the little dash inside the first hexagon. the 1 position starts at the top of hexagon and goes to 4th position counter clockwise to 4th position at bottom of the 1st hexagon.

the double at the 1 i believe helps it resist liver breakdown
 
The enone is key to binding to the androgen receptor. This is why it's not a "pro" hormone.

Orally active steroids are alkylated at the 17 position to inhibit liver breakdown (ring D)

The "pro" hormone shown needs to be metabolized first, that Alcohol attached to C-3 needs to be oxidized, in order to be relatively active.

the E in Test E has to do with the ester that's attached, a heptanoic acid that has an ester bond to the D ring alcohol on the testosterone molecule. This makes the testosterone "fatty" and therefore accumulates in the tissue and is released over a longer time period.
 
so i have one more question, is there a way to reduce the attached alcohol without completely changing the supplement itself? say for instance, could you take something else to make it more active.
 
Not a chance. It takes a very strong oxidizing agent to attack that alcohol. And even so, you'd have side reactions that would result in a Dione as well. It would take legitimate chemistry in (relatively) low yields and a large pain in the ass. Don't try it at home :)
 
rochabp said:
test e is testosterone while 1 andro (1-test) very different...first off all test is king, no arguing that. If you look at the molecular structure test has a double bond at the 4 position while 1 andro, well you guessed it has it at the 1 position

test
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1 andro
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the double bond is the little dash inside the first hexagon. the 1 position starts at the top of hexagon and goes to 4th position counter clockwise to 4th position at bottom of the 1st hexagon.

the double at the 1 i believe helps it resist liver breakdown
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the compound shown above is not 1-andro. it is 1-ad.
1-andro is 1-DHEA
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3-hydroxy-5 alpha-androst- 1-en-17-one
it will require a 2 step conversion to the active 1-testosterone
 
rebelhead said:
the compound shown above is not 1-andro. it is 1-ad.
1-andro is 1-DHEA
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3-hydroxy-5 alpha-androst- 1-en-17-one
it will require a 2 step conversion to the active 1-testosterone
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ur rite
 
rebelhead said:
the compound shown above is not 1-andro. it is 1-ad.
1-andro is 1-DHEA
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3-hydroxy-5 alpha-androst- 1-en-17-one
it will require a 2 step conversion to the active 1-testosterone
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Good luck with that in your garage in any appreciable yield :-p. Unfortunately any strong oxidizing/reducing agents are notoriously promiscuous and the ones that aren't don't have the greatest yields. I'll leave the chemistry up to my body.:09:
 
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