NEW Release (MA Research): 60 mg/ml, 10 ml vial (LGD-& S23 in oil base)

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Interesting. Would like to hear more about these, specifically if there is any benefit vs traditional injectable AAS
 
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Cool. Do you know if it's true that injectable SARMs are significantly more effective than orally-dosed ones?
 

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Interesting. Would like to hear more about these, specifically if there is any benefit vs traditional injectable AAS
Mainly that they tend to target muscle and bone receptors more and their non-sterol structure means they have less estrogen, dht, progesterone effects. I have no clue if injection is so much better than oral. Let's say that in theory the lack of a first pass through liver makes a huge difference. But I still haven't seen comprehensive logs of user experiences.
 

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Cool. Do you know if it's true that injectable SARMs are significantly more effective than orally-dosed ones?
I made them because of all the people asking me for them. According to the reviews out there, the answer is yes, but I can only think of one mechanims through which this might occur. Increased bioavailability. The bioavailability of some SARMS in their conventional form is like 30%, so I can understand how there would be benefit there, but aside from that, I have no idea. I guess we'll find out.
 

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Mainly that they tend to target muscle and bone receptors more and their non-sterol structure means they have less estrogen, dht, progesterone effects. I have no clue if injection is so much better than oral. Let's say that in theory the lack of a first pass through liver makes a huge difference. But I still haven't seen comprehensive logs of user experiences.
Yeah I guess I mean in practice. I know that in theory there can be benefits but if it isn’t actually realized then that doesn’t mean much to anyone
 
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I'm curious about dosage as well. If there's potentially increased bioavailability at play here, should the dose be lowered accordingly?

Really curious to see what a cycle of S23 would look like as an injectable (the only SARM I've ever run is Ostarine)...
 

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For research purposes, would it require daily injections of one's rats? If not daily, how frequently?
 
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For research purposes, would it require daily injections of one's rats? If not daily, how frequently?
My rat has done 30mg of lgd Monday Wednesday Friday for the past 2 weeks with noticable results. Log on here under injectable lgd cycle I think that's what I named it. If you took the s23 you would want to use daily
 
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My rat has done 30mg of lgd Monday Wednesday Friday for the past 2 weeks with noticable results. Log on here under injectable lgd cycle I think that's what I named it. If you took the s23 you would want to use daily
Yea having to inject daily for a sarm just doesn't seem worth it.
 
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Yea having to inject daily for a sarm just doesn't seem worth it.
I'm hearing and seeing amazing stuff with from a buddy with s23 injectable. Stuff seems to make you burn through everything you eat. recomping in a surplus. But sides are bad for him. Hot and tired feeling, and really moody tren like sides. He's not using the ma brand tho. Some other one
 
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I'm hearing and seeing amazing stuff with from a buddy with s23 injectable. Stuff seems to make you burn through everything you eat. recomping in a surplus. But sides are bad for him. Hot and tired feeling, and really moody tren like sides. He's not using the ma brand tho. Some other one
I want to try it but don't know if there is a clear advantage to injecting vs just oral. Guess I'll have to try both.
 
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I want to try it but don't know if there is a clear advantage to injecting vs just oral. Guess I'll have to try both.
With lgd the difference is night and day. That's from personal experience. I can't speak personal about the other sarms.
 
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They're pinning themselves for no reason. LGD on the other hand is definitely worth injecting. Bioavailability is around 30%. You're essentially tripling your dose mg per mg when injecting. Ma is out tho.
 
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There's lots of guys using it that have used oral and injectable, it's not even close. Injectable lgd does not even act like oral lgd, injectable s23 does not act the same as oral s23. Everything you see on paper does not always equate to real life. If you don't wanna try it that's fine I'm not asking you to. All I'm telling you is regardless of what the bioavailability is or whatever there is a big difference in injecting s23 vs taking it orally. It goes beyond bioavailability
 
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There's lots of guys using it that have used oral and injectable, it's not even close. Injectable lgd does not even act like oral lgd, injectable s23 does not act the same as oral s23. Everything you see on paper does not always equate to real life. If you don't wanna try it that's fine I'm not asking you to. All I'm telling you is regardless of what the bioavailability is or whatever there is a big difference in injecting s23 vs taking it orally. It goes beyond bioavailability
You realize what you're saying is 100% internet word of mouth/bioscience right? You have zero scientific evidence to support these claims of "beyond bioavailabity". IM is just a means to introduce a compound into the body with the end result of it getting to the blood possibly with a higher efficiency. The compound doesn't magically change when you inject it IM. Not trying to be a dick but c'mon man....
 
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You realize what you're saying is 100% internet word of mouth/bioscience right? You have zero scientific evidence to support these claims of "beyond bioavailabity". IM is just a means to introduce a compound into the body with the end result of it getting to the blood possibly with a higher efficiency. The compound doesn't magically change when you inject it IM. Not trying to be a dick but c'mon man....
Your completely wrong. I'm talking about first hand experience of the ppl I know personally. I dont take anything I read as fact. I take what I see with my own eyes as fact. You should try it
 
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Your completely wrong. I'm talking about first hand experience of the ppl I know personally. I dont take anything I read as fact. I take what I see with my own eyes as fact. You should try it
It's an empirical scientific research article and you give no credit to the findings. My goodness
 

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I think we all know that what a study shows on paper isn’t always the way it works out in real life. On the flip side of that scientific studies certainly can’t be simply disregarded without thought. Rat studies don’t always translate into real life effects for bodybuilders. Do we have anyone that has some real life experience with taking S23 via both routes?
 
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I think we all know that what a study shows on paper isn’t always the way it works out in real life. On the flip side of that scientific studies certainly can’t be simply disregarded without thought. Rat studies don’t always translate into real life effects for bodybuilders. Do we have anyone that has some real life experience with taking S23 via both routes?
I'm not disregarding anything completely, I just take studies with a grain of salt. I've used lgd via both routes, s23 oral only. I have a friend that has used it orally and right now using the injectable, il take his word and what I visually can see by looking at him over any study any day. That's just me, no1 has to agree, but no1 can argue with what's right in front of my face.
 
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I'm going to order some, I won't be able to use it till the beginning of April but when I do il log it. Till then I'm leaving the conversation alone. Also sorry for clogging up Mike's thread
 

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I'm not disregarding anything completely, I just take studies with a grain of salt. I've used lgd via both routes, s23 oral only. I have a friend that has used it orally and right now using the injectable, il take his word and what I visually can see by looking at him over any study any day. That's just me, no1 has to agree, but no1 can argue with what's right in front of my face.
I was speaking generally. I also tend to agree with you that we need real world examples over papers. Tag me in the log bro I can’t wait to see it
 
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Can you draw this up in the same syringe with test?
 
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Can you draw this up in the same syringe with test?
 

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