It's been an absolute disaster getting these products made; beyond want I can explain. In addition to the non-stop headaches an constant excuses, I've also been screwed more than once. Elrock knows a bit about it. He can confirm.
At this point, all I am going to say is that these products are still supposed to be made, which is good news...because at one point not long ago, I was told they weren't going to be made...after I already paid for the product, purchased the labels, paid to ship multiple costly ingredients with $100+ insurance...and waited for many, many months just to set a production date. Even after I was told they would still be made, I still sustained a $500 loss that was 100% someone else's fault. Was an apology given...even a small one? Nope. Nothing at all. I was basically told "oh well".
That's as far as I'm going to go with this, but I will end by saying that both products are still supposed to be made.