New Muscle Builder: CinDura

[jtmass]

Muscletech has exclusive right to this ingredient.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196563/

What do you all think?

 

[jameschoi]

They trying to sell you cinnamon as muscle builder?

 

[jtmass]

They trying to sell you cinnamon as muscle builder?

Lol. At least read beyond the title before you comment. It’s Bay Leaf and Mangosteen.

 

[The Solution]

Muscletech has exclusive right to this ingredient.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196563/

What do you all think?

You forgot another one:

1g of VasoShock-XR red spinach extract. This is the trademark ingredient to back the claim of 8-hour nitric oxide shown on the front of the label. The company has stated this ingredient will provide 5 times the amount of nitrates compared to beetroot, and when used up to 2g can have a pump that lasts 8 hours.

 

[jameschoi]

Lol. At least read beyond the title before you comment. It’s Bay Leaf and Mangosteen.

Raking some leaves and buying one mango right now. This chet better work.

 

[jtmass]

You forgot another one:

1g of VasoShock-XR red spinach extract. This is the trademark ingredient to back the claim of 8-hour nitric oxide shown on the front of the label. The company has stated this ingredient will provide 5 times the amount of nitrates compared to beetroot, and when used up to 2g can have a pump that lasts 8 hours.

What interests me is, why the exclusivity? Is there something real to this whole claim.

 

[The Solution]

What interests me is, why the exclusivity? Is there something real to this whole claim.

Why is Ghost Exclusive to GNC for so long?
Sales. Return of Investment (ROI).

Why do companies only sell certain products or limited edition items to certain retailers?
Money.. Sales. ROI

This is basic economics here man.

 

[jtmass]

Why is Ghost Exclusive to GNC for so long?
Sales. Return of Investment (ROI).

Why do companies only sell certain products or limited edition items to certain retailers?
Money.. Sales. ROI

This is basic economics here man.

You can’t really be conclusive. It could be just to create sales and Hype this ingredient. Ghost selling at GNC and comparing this ain’t the same. We are talking about just one ingredient here. Not aware of any brand which did what MT has done. Are there any?

 

[The Solution]

It could be just to create sales

Please re-read my statement above.
I wrote that multiple times.

Why do companies only sell to exclusive stores? Business and markup.
Why do companies only make exclusive flavors for certain stores? To market that store and make sure they get business, and they can sell at a higher place due to limited supply

Why does MT Only sell the Black Onyx series at the 3 letter store? Sales and exclusivity.

Supply & Demand here..... that applies to flavors, brands, and ingredients.

 

[jtmass]

Please re-read my statement above.
I wrote that multiple times.

Why do companies only sell to exclusive stores? Business and markup
Why do companies only make exclusive flavors for certain stores? To market that store and make sure they get business, and they can sell at a higher place due to limited supply


Supply & Demand here.....

It’s only a probability. Only if there were a couple more independent studies to confirm.

 

[The Solution]

It’s only a probability. Only if there were a couple more independent studies to confirm.

in for double placebo study ran on mice which makes minimal relevance to someone who actually tracks their diet and training routines.

The only way to confirm if something is worth your time is run it yourself and keep all variables consistent. Science is just a small piece to the puzzle. Human evidence and trial and erorr is the best judge for anything in our lives. We can only take what we read with a grain of salt until we actually test it ourself. As you know we ALL respond different to any ingredient , formula, or product on the market.

 

[jtmass]

in for double placebo study ran on mice which makes minimal relevance to someone who actually tracks their diet and training routines.

The only way to confirm if something is worth your time is run it yourself and keep all variables consistent. Science is just a small piece to the puzzle. Human evidence and trial and erorr is the best judge for anything in our lives. We can only take what we read with a grain of salt until we actually test it ourself. As you know we ALL respond different to any ingredient , formula, or product on the market.

Human trial done. Read the article. Probably you will understand the flaws in the human study better than I do. If there is any

 

[The Solution]

They were practicing standard resistance exercises for the lower and upper portion of the body at a frequency of 2–3 days a week. The subjects were familiar with the exercises included in the training protocol of the study.

So explain what that routine looks like? Anyone can say upper , lower.. How much volume, how long have they been training, are these noob trainees that will gain muscle mass faster then those who have trained for 5+ years? Again many opportunities here


The enrolled subjects were randomized into two groups, viz. Placebo and GMCT. Each group contained twenty subjects. The participants were advised to maintain their regular dietary habits and to refrain from consuming any nutritional supplements or energy drinks containing creatine, arginine, citrulline, HMB, proteins or amino acids during the intervention.

What is their diet? How consistent were they with it? What is the makeup of their macros?
For all we know their diet could be 2000 calories with subpar protein intake like most americans and trainees that try to supplement a lack luster diet.

Again there is not enough specifics to really pin point this based off who the subjects are, training expereince, composition of diet, years of training etc.

Again --> Human experience will reign supreme. You can only take this with a grain of salt.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I stopped reading after muscletech

 

[jtmass]

They were practicing standard resistance exercises for the lower and upper portion of the body at a frequency of 2–3 days a week. The subjects were familiar with the exercises included in the training protocol of the study.

So explain what that routine looks like? Anyone can say upper , lower.. How much volume, how long have they been training, are these noob trainees that will gain muscle mass faster then those who have trained for 5+ years? Again many opportunities here


The enrolled subjects were randomized into two groups, viz. Placebo and GMCT. Each group contained twenty subjects. The participants were advised to maintain their regular dietary habits and to refrain from consuming any nutritional supplements or energy drinks containing creatine, arginine, citrulline, HMB, proteins or amino acids during the intervention.

What is their diet? How consistent were they with it? What is the makeup of their macros?
For all we know their diet could be 2000 calories with subpar protein intake like most americans and trainees that try to supplement a lack luster diet.

Again there is not enough specifics to really pin point this based off who the subjects are, training expereince, composition of diet, years of training etc.

Again --> Human experience will reign supreme. You can only take this with a grain of salt.

Gaps in all those manufacturer sponsored studies.

 

[Aleksandar37]

You forgot another one:

1g of VasoShock-XR red spinach extract. This is the trademark ingredient to back the claim of 8-hour nitric oxide shown on the front of the label. The company has stated this ingredient will provide 5 times the amount of nitrates compared to beetroot, and when used up to 2g can have a pump that lasts 8 hours.

If it's truly an 8 hour effect, I'd be interested in seeing any safety data. That's a long time to impact blood pressure and not have anything go wrong.

 

[DieselJD]

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