The Matrix
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StickmanLee said:
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new member!... worried about T level.
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jman12
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orange triad?
mumbles12
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Any idea why I might be getting pain/numbness behind my eyes, like a slight migraine? The entire orbital bone around my eye has taken on a purple colour, and my eyes are very deep set, its like my eye sockets are sucking my eyeballs backwards, pretty much makes me look like I use meth or some other drug.
The Matrix
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Could be multipe issues going on..With out proper levels and history make it in possible.
The Matrix
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Depends on what those tests are and knowing the probably causes through detailed person history,
The Matrix
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You need to be up front with this is what my budget is and how can we work with it? I always do a cost analyzes for client and Dr's patients so we know what we are working with. It reduces the tension and creates good patient/client relationships.
mumbles12
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Well im willing to do what it takes to find "everything" that is wrong with me physically, but that might leave me with no savings left.. I have about 2k saved.. I dont want to spend all that and bloody tests though man.
I just want to know the problems, and then work at containing them or take whatever I gotta take to suppress the symptoms/byproducts.
does that make sense?
I just want to know the problems, and then work at containing them or take whatever I gotta take to suppress the symptoms/byproducts.
does that make sense?
The Matrix
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2K should be enough
dr mouton
nutra eval
follow up appointment
Just be careful not to over load you on supplements ..
I normal can get done for well below that. Just getting the test and information is the biggest challenge.
mumbles12
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Are you saying he might over prescribe me supplements then? ... Why would I overdo it with supps?.. What I was saying before, is will these tests cover ground on everything it could be? I know resolving them is a different matter (which is what I assume you mean is expensive, but how exactly?)..
The Matrix
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To correct imbalance one needs to support enyzmatic pathways, there is just a specific order which needs to be done. Things need to be layered to measure if there are any interactions. The recommendations I am sure are needed but, one needs t introduce them in groups not all at once.
mumbles12
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So to correct those pathways is it usually supplements that are introduced? Dpes it have to be supps bought from mouton or once I know what they are could I just go somewhere like holland and barrets because otherwise it will be expensive I imagine.. And should I then be taking them for life? Or just until levels are ok? And how do you know when levels are ok further testing? If thats the case how frequently should one get tested?
im wondering if its one of those things where I have to go back to london every year or so.. I dont really want to do that.
im wondering if its one of those things where I have to go back to london every year or so.. I dont really want to do that.
mumbles12
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So to correct those pathways is it usually supplements that are introduced? Dpes it have to be supps bought from mouton or once I know what they are could I just go somewhere like holland and barrets because otherwise it will be expensive I imagine.. And should I then be taking them for life? Or just until levels are ok? And how do you know when levels are ok further testing? If thats the case how frequently should one get tested?
im wondering if its one of those things where I have to go back to london every year or so.. I dont really want to do that.
im wondering if its one of those things where I have to go back to london every year or so.. I dont really want to do that.
The Matrix
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He will do phone consults with you i am sure. These are all the things which should be check before making decision. When you buy supplements from brand such as those they are crap and you get what you pay for. You can use iherb.com and get much the same brands. I never sell my clients any supplements. If I do I give them to them at reduced price or even cost. Many companies I send them same innovice so they see I am honoring my word. One needs to look into what type of budget you are dealing with in order to make necessary modification.
mumbles12
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Well he clearly doesnt offer phone consultations because he didnt offer me one,his secretary just booked me in for august 1st..
as long as their is a "decent" site I can order from that is reasonably priced, but surely id be better off eating certain foods? And supps are only required if im lacking a certain vitamin arent they? Has nothing to do with being toxic..
as long as their is a "decent" site I can order from that is reasonably priced, but surely id be better off eating certain foods? And supps are only required if im lacking a certain vitamin arent they? Has nothing to do with being toxic..
The Matrix
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Doesn't matter what you eat its if you are absorbing it or not is the question.
mumbles12
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So will these tests establish everything I need to know then or will I just be goin round in circles for the next 10 years?
cus your basically avoiding my question lol.
I can summise that it means "no", and that once ive had the tests ill have to look at something else, and then something else...
I could suggest what "i think is wrong" and it could check out as fine, and I get nowhere, it would be a lot better after all this time if I could just have everything checked biologically/genetically, which ever.
cus your basically avoiding my question lol.
I can summise that it means "no", and that once ive had the tests ill have to look at something else, and then something else...
I could suggest what "i think is wrong" and it could check out as fine, and I get nowhere, it would be a lot better after all this time if I could just have everything checked biologically/genetically, which ever.
mumbles12
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So will these tests establish everything I need to know then or will I just be goin round in circles for the next 10 years?
cus your basically avoiding my question lol.
I can summise that it means "no", and that once ive had the tests ill have to look at something else, and then something else...
I could suggest what "i think is wrong" and it could check out as fine, and I get nowhere, it would be a lot better after all this time if I could just have everything checked biologically/genetically, which ever.
cus your basically avoiding my question lol.
I can summise that it means "no", and that once ive had the tests ill have to look at something else, and then something else...
I could suggest what "i think is wrong" and it could check out as fine, and I get nowhere, it would be a lot better after all this time if I could just have everything checked biologically/genetically, which ever.
mumbles12
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The Matrix said:
Hey, havent updated in a few weeks, got my apointment next wednesday..
Just wanted to ask, "be careful not to overload on suplements" how many supplements should I be taking? Is ideal? Im not a big fan of taking lots of supps anyway, but will obviously take what ever it is I need.
The Matrix
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Gather the data first then go from there.
mumbles12
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The Matrix said:
Do you know much about plants in the home?
As in to oxygenate rooms?
Its been hotter than Greece in the Uk today!
And the air/humidity whatever it is in this room is ridiculous, cant sleep lol.
Got one of those hygrometer's for mositure level and its bang on 50, so technically it isnt humditity that is the problem but probably a lack of oxygen is..
Do you think its bad to have a lot of electrical equipment in one room? (in this case where one sleeps)..
The Matrix
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Very bad,
I have had cases where college kids had severe insomnia. It was found that the goof balls where sleeping with the computer right at the head of the bed.
mumbles12
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Time to update this old thread..
Ok, some of you may remember me from earlier in the year, if not then just see the starting pages to get an idea of my problem.
I get my results today for my neurological tests, I'm about to catch the train to London in a few minutes, so wish me luck guys.
mumbles..
Ok, some of you may remember me from earlier in the year, if not then just see the starting pages to get an idea of my problem.
I get my results today for my neurological tests, I'm about to catch the train to London in a few minutes, so wish me luck guys.
mumbles..
mumbles12
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Ok, was tired when I got back last night, and somewhat overwhelmed by my results...
I don't have Coeliac disease (so thats a start), and I'm not "Dying".... thats about it for the good news really..
Ill start with written comments that were made -
- Before complaining about the endocrine deficiencies, we should criticise the lack of fats, would it be catastrophically low cholesterol levels or massive deficiencies in most fatty acids.
- We absolutely need replenishing these crucial nutrients for the nervous system (brain is made up of 60% fat) and for the endocrine system.
- There will be no testosterone or cortisol synthesis if we cannot start from a cholesterol molecule, the only available building block for producing all steroids.
- We provide detailed dietary recommendations throughout the results: please comply strictly with them!
- Regarding the adrenal function, very low level of glucocorticoids represented by urinary 17- hydroxisteroids deserves the intake of the precursor pro hormone pregnenolone, plus we must give loads of coenzyme Q10 (CO-Q10: 1 and if possible 2 capsules daily).
- We also support the thyroid gland with natural extracts (ARMOUR THYROID) and cofactors (IODINE, THYROID SUPPORT COMPLEX, and IRON).
Stuff that has been circled on the report, numbers in brackets are the normal range the lowest being the absolute bare minimum.
Hematology
Folate - 3.87 (2 - 12)
Iron - 74 (60 - 160)
transferrin saturation - 22.22% (25 - 50)
Ferritin - 48 (50-240.pt and 30-240: V.N.)
Renal function
Uric acid - 5.1 (3.4-7.0)
Hydro-mineral balance
Ionised calcium - 40.4 (40 - 52)
Erytrocytair Magnesium - 4.10 (range is 4.40 - 5.80)
25 Hydroxy-Vitamin D (this was all taken in the middle of summer btw) - 24.1 (30.0 - 60.0)
Lipid metabolism
Total cholesterol - 106 (120-200) It was noted on this one that I need more seafood/oily fish or ghee butter.. I eat a lot of fish however..
HDL cholesterol - 58 (40-109)
Fatty acid status
Low in all of them!!
Protein metabolism
Immunoglobulines - 293 (71 - 360) think the optimal is more like 300 as opposed to 360 though,not sure...
Antioxidant status
Vitamin A - 57 (43 - 111)
Beta-carotene - 166 (75-500) ..........apparently I need "MORE" coloured vegetables........
Coenzyme Q10 - 283 (670 - 990) so basically very very low!
Selenium - 95 (90-143)
Zinc - 117 (84 - 135) so IDK if this one is a problem, doesn't look like it.
Endocrinology
TSH - 2.22 (0.3-4.5)
T3 free - 2.94 (2.1 - 4.2
T4 free - 1.16 (0.7 - 1.8) so this one is over?... btw both T3 and T4 were marked as being a cause of stress!
Testosterone - 3455 pg/ml (3000 - 10000) mine should be double what it is apparently.. so I was right about my T levels..
Urinanalysis
Iodine - 28 (100 - 199) g/L
Iodine - 84 (170 - 280) g/24h
Uric acid - 636.0 (250 - 750)
Potassium - 57.0 (35 - 128)
Chloride - 108 (110 - 255)........I need more salt/seasalt for these..
Calcium - 216.0 (140 - 280)
Magnesium - 141.0 (60 - 120) so a lil high?..
Urin endocrinology
.T3 - 829 (800 - 2500)... stress! in brackets again..
.T4 - 1930 (550 - 3160) so this is ok.
tOTAL 17-OH-steroids - 3.51 (6.10 - 11.70)
6-sulfatoxy-melatonin15.6 (15.6 - 58.1) stress!!! in brackets!
IgE 39.8 (20 - 100) - ok.
Specific IgE -
lactoglobulin - 25.50
casein - 15.70
bannanas - 44.80!!! Apparently I'm allergic to bannanas?? I have never had any kind of adverse reaction from eating them.. also avoid dairy and all animal milk (at least for a while but I'm happy to avoid it for life as its easier for me).
Finally for my fatty acid status I was given a bar chart which was kind of confusing, but things like "Walnut oil", Flax seed oil, Hemp seed oil, oily fish, meat and ghee butter were noted no the chart... I consume a lot of tinned fish but I guess I would usually drain the can, I also consume nuts like almonds walnuts etc.. and sometimes peanut butter.... The general consensus however seems I AM STILL WAY TOO LOW IN ALL FATS, including both Omega 3 and 6.
Just to break it down:
Mono unsaturated (need more olive oil)
palmitoleic acid - 13.6 (18.5 - 88)
Cis-Vaccenique acid - 32.3 (33.5 - 80.7)
Oleic acid - 439.2 (471 - 855.2)
Acide Gadoleique - 8.8 (5.2 - 12.3)
Poly unsaturated (need more omega 6 and 3 via walnut oil, flax, hemp, fish is best, ghee is an option)
omega 6 -
linoleic acid - 555.1 (614.7-954.5)
gammalinolenic acid - 1.2 (1.9 - 5.7)
dihomogammalinolenic acid - 42.5 (80.3 - 202.6)
arachidonic acid- 205.7 (314.5-430)
docosapentenoique acid - 8 (5.7 - 16.1)
omega 3 -
alphalinolenic acid - 12.7 (10.2-34.5)
eicosapentaenoic acid - 64 (35.7 - 175.9)
docosahexaenoic acid - 155 (142 - 326)
The worst result overall is extremely low cholesterol due to lack of fats
Coming back to one of the written comments on the report "The only available building block for all steroids and/or cortisol synthesis is the cholesterol molecule"!
Co enzyme is very depleted, you need co enzyme to make energy, it is said I may want 200mg as part of treatment as opposed to 100mg as it is very low, but I must consider budget.
My iron level is low but I'm not anaemic...................yet.
Magnesium and potassium is low and I need a strong vitamin D capsule, Cortisol family is completely shot/stressed, and nowhere near where it should be.
Selenium is low and Iodine is so low I need two different sups for this in the form of Iodine, and a thyroid support complex..
My thyroid is borderline, and I'm not Hyperthyroid, but I am "Close" to being so..
My melatonin is exactly at the bottom of the range.
Treatment proposed is a "4 month" plan of field treatment, fatty acid, glandular support, antioxidant and intestinal treatment.
There are about 12 supplements I need to take during the 4 month period once I start.. 10 of them I can get online or presumably from holland and barrets or whatever, however "Pregnenolene" and a complex known as "Armour thyroid" I need to order from some belgian pharmacist because they are American.... (yes you read that last part correctly).
So that about covers everything I think. They said there were perhaps a few other things that could be tweaked but there are that many issues with my body that I need to focus on the primary areas of concerns listed.
I don't have Coeliac disease (so thats a start), and I'm not "Dying".... thats about it for the good news really..
Ill start with written comments that were made -
- Before complaining about the endocrine deficiencies, we should criticise the lack of fats, would it be catastrophically low cholesterol levels or massive deficiencies in most fatty acids.
- We absolutely need replenishing these crucial nutrients for the nervous system (brain is made up of 60% fat) and for the endocrine system.
- There will be no testosterone or cortisol synthesis if we cannot start from a cholesterol molecule, the only available building block for producing all steroids.
- We provide detailed dietary recommendations throughout the results: please comply strictly with them!
- Regarding the adrenal function, very low level of glucocorticoids represented by urinary 17- hydroxisteroids deserves the intake of the precursor pro hormone pregnenolone, plus we must give loads of coenzyme Q10 (CO-Q10: 1 and if possible 2 capsules daily).
- We also support the thyroid gland with natural extracts (ARMOUR THYROID) and cofactors (IODINE, THYROID SUPPORT COMPLEX, and IRON).
Stuff that has been circled on the report, numbers in brackets are the normal range the lowest being the absolute bare minimum.
Hematology
Folate - 3.87 (2 - 12)
Iron - 74 (60 - 160)
transferrin saturation - 22.22% (25 - 50)
Ferritin - 48 (50-240.pt and 30-240: V.N.)
Renal function
Uric acid - 5.1 (3.4-7.0)
Hydro-mineral balance
Ionised calcium - 40.4 (40 - 52)
Erytrocytair Magnesium - 4.10 (range is 4.40 - 5.80)
25 Hydroxy-Vitamin D (this was all taken in the middle of summer btw) - 24.1 (30.0 - 60.0)
Lipid metabolism
Total cholesterol - 106 (120-200) It was noted on this one that I need more seafood/oily fish or ghee butter.. I eat a lot of fish however..
HDL cholesterol - 58 (40-109)
Fatty acid status
Low in all of them!!
Protein metabolism
Immunoglobulines - 293 (71 - 360) think the optimal is more like 300 as opposed to 360 though,not sure...
Antioxidant status
Vitamin A - 57 (43 - 111)
Beta-carotene - 166 (75-500) ..........apparently I need "MORE" coloured vegetables........
Coenzyme Q10 - 283 (670 - 990) so basically very very low!
Selenium - 95 (90-143)
Zinc - 117 (84 - 135) so IDK if this one is a problem, doesn't look like it.
Endocrinology
TSH - 2.22 (0.3-4.5)
T3 free - 2.94 (2.1 - 4.2
T4 free - 1.16 (0.7 - 1.8) so this one is over?... btw both T3 and T4 were marked as being a cause of stress!
Testosterone - 3455 pg/ml (3000 - 10000) mine should be double what it is apparently.. so I was right about my T levels..
Urinanalysis
Iodine - 28 (100 - 199) g/L
Iodine - 84 (170 - 280) g/24h
Uric acid - 636.0 (250 - 750)
Potassium - 57.0 (35 - 128)
Chloride - 108 (110 - 255)........I need more salt/seasalt for these..
Calcium - 216.0 (140 - 280)
Magnesium - 141.0 (60 - 120) so a lil high?..
Urin endocrinology
.T3 - 829 (800 - 2500)... stress! in brackets again..
.T4 - 1930 (550 - 3160) so this is ok.
tOTAL 17-OH-steroids - 3.51 (6.10 - 11.70)
6-sulfatoxy-melatonin15.6 (15.6 - 58.1) stress!!! in brackets!
IgE 39.8 (20 - 100) - ok.
Specific IgE -
lactoglobulin - 25.50
casein - 15.70
bannanas - 44.80!!! Apparently I'm allergic to bannanas?? I have never had any kind of adverse reaction from eating them.. also avoid dairy and all animal milk (at least for a while but I'm happy to avoid it for life as its easier for me).
Finally for my fatty acid status I was given a bar chart which was kind of confusing, but things like "Walnut oil", Flax seed oil, Hemp seed oil, oily fish, meat and ghee butter were noted no the chart... I consume a lot of tinned fish but I guess I would usually drain the can, I also consume nuts like almonds walnuts etc.. and sometimes peanut butter.... The general consensus however seems I AM STILL WAY TOO LOW IN ALL FATS, including both Omega 3 and 6.
Just to break it down:
Mono unsaturated (need more olive oil)
palmitoleic acid - 13.6 (18.5 - 88)
Cis-Vaccenique acid - 32.3 (33.5 - 80.7)
Oleic acid - 439.2 (471 - 855.2)
Acide Gadoleique - 8.8 (5.2 - 12.3)
Poly unsaturated (need more omega 6 and 3 via walnut oil, flax, hemp, fish is best, ghee is an option)
omega 6 -
linoleic acid - 555.1 (614.7-954.5)
gammalinolenic acid - 1.2 (1.9 - 5.7)
dihomogammalinolenic acid - 42.5 (80.3 - 202.6)
arachidonic acid- 205.7 (314.5-430)
docosapentenoique acid - 8 (5.7 - 16.1)
omega 3 -
alphalinolenic acid - 12.7 (10.2-34.5)
eicosapentaenoic acid - 64 (35.7 - 175.9)
docosahexaenoic acid - 155 (142 - 326)
The worst result overall is extremely low cholesterol due to lack of fats
Coming back to one of the written comments on the report "The only available building block for all steroids and/or cortisol synthesis is the cholesterol molecule"!
Co enzyme is very depleted, you need co enzyme to make energy, it is said I may want 200mg as part of treatment as opposed to 100mg as it is very low, but I must consider budget.
My iron level is low but I'm not anaemic...................yet.
Magnesium and potassium is low and I need a strong vitamin D capsule, Cortisol family is completely shot/stressed, and nowhere near where it should be.
Selenium is low and Iodine is so low I need two different sups for this in the form of Iodine, and a thyroid support complex..
My thyroid is borderline, and I'm not Hyperthyroid, but I am "Close" to being so..
My melatonin is exactly at the bottom of the range.
Treatment proposed is a "4 month" plan of field treatment, fatty acid, glandular support, antioxidant and intestinal treatment.
There are about 12 supplements I need to take during the 4 month period once I start.. 10 of them I can get online or presumably from holland and barrets or whatever, however "Pregnenolene" and a complex known as "Armour thyroid" I need to order from some belgian pharmacist because they are American.... (yes you read that last part correctly).
So that about covers everything I think. They said there were perhaps a few other things that could be tweaked but there are that many issues with my body that I need to focus on the primary areas of concerns listed.
The Matrix
Well-known member
Still have malabsorption issues which need to be dealt with . Just because you do not have celiac "(which 90% of the GI drs miss because they only take the bare minumum samples from only specific regions) does not tule out other food intolerance such as gluten, diary, and soy. I just established a great relationship with GI Dr in NYC which is one of the most open minded GI dr I ran into. We are working together on a case which is basically a woman wasting a way with no explanation. When it comes to the Gi tract and these conditions, I am one of the most experience people looking out side traditional medicine as well establishing relationships with other medical professionals.
mumbles12
Member
So does that mean I could still have Celiac?..
That doesn't sound good..
Should I try and pursue the 4 month supplement treatment? (expensive)
or is their some other form of testing that might clarify anything?... The guys I saw were who you recommended if you remember?..
Im in the UK and I remember you saying that there aren't too many doctors as knowledgable or as helpful as in the U.S...
That woman wasting away does not sound good.. I do feel I am not absorbing my nutrients correctly as opposed to just dietary intake being an issue.. but what can I DO FROM HERE? surely if I do the 4 month treatment I will be back to square one again 12 months down the line post treatment if it turns out to be some disease?..
Yet again, I don't know what to do.. I think the broad range of issues was worst case scenario for me really.
acidvoodoo
New member
Thanks for posting your results. Very interesting the things you were tested for.
I don't see where they came to conclusions about cortisol issues as i can't see where they tested it. Very interesting that thyroid has been highlighted, I've had similar values for my tsh and wonder if treating that would improve well being, i need more testing first though.
Can you post up the supplement and dosage recommendations. I wouldn't buy anything from Holland and barratt, its all over priced and low quality. There are a few good online vendors that supply American brands, amazon can also be good
How much did your consultation and testing cost you in the end ?
I don't see where they came to conclusions about cortisol issues as i can't see where they tested it. Very interesting that thyroid has been highlighted, I've had similar values for my tsh and wonder if treating that would improve well being, i need more testing first though.
Can you post up the supplement and dosage recommendations. I wouldn't buy anything from Holland and barratt, its all over priced and low quality. There are a few good online vendors that supply American brands, amazon can also be good
How much did your consultation and testing cost you in the end ?
threeFs
Well-known member
My cholesterol is also low. I believe mine is low because I eat (was eating) a ketogenic super low carbohydrate diet for too long, almost 2 years. Carbohydrate tells the body to produce cholesterol, contrary to what many people believe. Eating cholesterol in things like animal proteins and egg yolks actually has very little effect in raising blood cholesterol. When total cholesterol is low, all hormones will be lower since they all depend on cholesterol for production. Also a diet too low in fat will cause problems as well. I've started drink "bulletproof coffee" that you can search for. Basically high quality grass fed butter (high in n3 fats) and medium chain triglyceride oil (mct oil) added to your morning high quality organic coffee. Check it out and consider eating more carbohydrate and green vegetables, more fat from animals and nuts, and quality vitamin d supplements.
This is all too familiar to me, as my situation is quite like yours.
This is all too familiar to me, as my situation is quite like yours.
The Matrix
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threeFs said:
With out.proper function of.liver and gi tract it will not help been down that road before. Eating organic will.reduce further damage no correct existing. Some.people.need 100.or.more grams of carbs to.help reset proper.metabolism.
mumbles12
Member
Are you saying that you can't fix it with diet alone?..
Many supplements (except hormone related) are nutrition related, so how does OD'ing on those make it a better option?.. what happens when you come off of these "Treatment plans" that involve supplements in functional medicine, this is the question nobody seems to want to answer...
Functional medicine is supposedly about prevention and curing the root cause, but at the moment it seems to be just another cure of symptoms.... what happens if your levels just plummet again several months post treatment?... this is the biggest fear for me as to most doctors it simply means "More business", I'm not naive to that fact, ultimately if I'm paying good money I want something that has permanence, or that"I can maintain" on my own once the treatment is over, via diet and exercise..
Many supplements (except hormone related) are nutrition related, so how does OD'ing on those make it a better option?.. what happens when you come off of these "Treatment plans" that involve supplements in functional medicine, this is the question nobody seems to want to answer...
Functional medicine is supposedly about prevention and curing the root cause, but at the moment it seems to be just another cure of symptoms.... what happens if your levels just plummet again several months post treatment?... this is the biggest fear for me as to most doctors it simply means "More business", I'm not naive to that fact, ultimately if I'm paying good money I want something that has permanence, or that"I can maintain" on my own once the treatment is over, via diet and exercise..
mumbles12
Member
Isn't low cholesterol to do with low fats to begin with??
Greens and nuts are already a current staple in my diet, along with chicken (whole home cooked small chicken not organic though) that I usually get 3 meals out of a week, and 4 or 5 tins of sardines a week, plus a teaspoon of olive oil (polyunsaturated seems less an issue though)
also I have read that saturated fat is what converts dietary cholesterol to blood cholesterol, so eggs.... wouldn't do jack, a steak or something fatty as part of the cholesterol content however would theoretically convert it to your blood cholesterol..
Im getting different information from about 3 different websites at the moment and I'm just getting lost again.
Im new to this stuff.. again it seems.
mumbles12
Member
No problem, I may be posting a scanned copy of my full report later, along with supp recommendations so stay tuned.
Thats a shame about Holland and Barret considering they are the most local :/ ......
The Matrix
Well-known member
You can put all the high performance fuel in a volkwagen, unless you change the engine you will never get the desired performance
Food intake is only 25% of total cholesterol production, other 75% comes from your liver, or from proper break down of Gi tract.
Eating eggs will not increased cholesterol unless you improve your absorption and bile flow. There is no way around it. 75% or greater of medical disorders (non structural) come from GI and liver imbalances...
One word you are "TOXIC"
Any Dr willing to give thyroid meds or DHEA in this state should have their head examined...It would be distasterous.
mumbles12
Member
So are you now saying the supplements that are proposed as part of my treatment plan are gonna do more damage than good?
One or two of those sups are meant to be for the thyroid.. Armour Thyroid for example is one on the list..
"Please" be more clear if you can in your responses as throwing out the same repetitive blanket statements like one word you are "TOXIC", just sounds like a scare tactic, like I'm not doing all that I physically can already.
I have been on this for nearly a year "As you know", and I would like to think I will get some eventual closure via a desirable outcome.
Note to everyone: - Ill get my full report scanned tomorrow as I didn't have time today, in the meantime I'm posting up my treatment proposal for those who it might help.
One or two of those sups are meant to be for the thyroid.. Armour Thyroid for example is one on the list..
"Please" be more clear if you can in your responses as throwing out the same repetitive blanket statements like one word you are "TOXIC", just sounds like a scare tactic, like I'm not doing all that I physically can already.
I have been on this for nearly a year "As you know", and I would like to think I will get some eventual closure via a desirable outcome.
Note to everyone: - Ill get my full report scanned tomorrow as I didn't have time today, in the meantime I'm posting up my treatment proposal for those who it might help.
mumbles12
Member
Field Treatment:
Mood Food: 120 capsules contain a mix to support the brain function including 50 mg of hydroxi-tryptophan; BIOCARE product. 1 cap/day evening 1 box
D5000: 60 capsules contain 5000 IU of cholecalciferol (vitamin D3); THORNE RESEARCH product 1 cap/day evening 2 boxes
Magnesium Potassium: 60 gelules contiennent 37,5 mg de magnesium element (sous forme de bisglycinatee) et 50,4 mg de potassium element (sous forme de citrate) ; produit BIO-LIFE. 1 cap/day evening 2 boxes why this one isn't even in English ill never know..
Iron: 60 caps contain 28 mg of iron element (as bis-glycinate) plus vitamin C for a better absorption; SANJM product. 1 cap/day morning 2 boxes
Fatty Acid Treatment:
TRI-EFA: 240 caps mix fish oil, flaxseed oil and borage seed oil (ALA 220 mg, EPA 120 mg, 80 mg, GLA 88 mg); PURE ENCAPSULATIONS product. 2x1 cap/day morning and evening 2 boxes
OPTI-EPA: 60 softgels contain 330 mg of EPA and 170 mg of DHA, two long chain omega 3 fatty acids; DOUGLAS LABORATORIES product. 1 cap/day cap/day evening 2 boxes
Glandular Support Treatment:
*Compound capsules containing 99 mg of pregnenolene, 0.3 mg of folic acid and 400 mg of calcium pidolate, to be prepared by the pharmacist. 1 cap/day morning 120 caps
*ARMOUR THYROID: 100 tabs contain natural thyroid extracts bringing 1/4 grain, i.e. 9.5 mcg of levothyoxine (thyroid hormone T4) and 2.25 mcg of liothyronine (thyroid hormone T3); American product; to be taken fasting! 1>2 tabs/day 2 boxes
^These two must be purchased from a Beligian pharmacist as they are American and can not be purchased in the UK*
IODINE: 60 caps contain 225 mcg of iodine and 500 mg of L-tyrosine; SANJM 1 cap/day morning 2 boxes
THYROID SUPPORT COMPLEX: 60 caps provide herbs and nutrients (including 75 mcg of iodine) for optimal thyroid gland function; PURE ENCAPSULATIONS product 1 cap/day morning 2 boxes
Antioxidant Treatment:
CO-Q10: 60 gelules contiennent 100 mg de coenzyme Q10; produit BIO-LIFE 2 cap/day morning 4 boxes
Intestinal Treatment:
L'ORIGINAL: 120 capsules contiennent un mélange de différentes souches de probiotiques sans prurits laitiers (20 milliards de bactéries); produit TWINLIFE 1 cap/day 1 box
It is important to take your supplements during the meals (breakfast and dinner)!
Four months Blood and urine control: Biology S + kit MOU + kit BHU within three months!
treatment (12 hours fast - first morning urine sample - 24 hours urine collection)
Mood Food: 120 capsules contain a mix to support the brain function including 50 mg of hydroxi-tryptophan; BIOCARE product. 1 cap/day evening 1 box
D5000: 60 capsules contain 5000 IU of cholecalciferol (vitamin D3); THORNE RESEARCH product 1 cap/day evening 2 boxes
Magnesium Potassium: 60 gelules contiennent 37,5 mg de magnesium element (sous forme de bisglycinatee) et 50,4 mg de potassium element (sous forme de citrate) ; produit BIO-LIFE. 1 cap/day evening 2 boxes why this one isn't even in English ill never know..
Iron: 60 caps contain 28 mg of iron element (as bis-glycinate) plus vitamin C for a better absorption; SANJM product. 1 cap/day morning 2 boxes
Fatty Acid Treatment:
TRI-EFA: 240 caps mix fish oil, flaxseed oil and borage seed oil (ALA 220 mg, EPA 120 mg, 80 mg, GLA 88 mg); PURE ENCAPSULATIONS product. 2x1 cap/day morning and evening 2 boxes
OPTI-EPA: 60 softgels contain 330 mg of EPA and 170 mg of DHA, two long chain omega 3 fatty acids; DOUGLAS LABORATORIES product. 1 cap/day cap/day evening 2 boxes
Glandular Support Treatment:
*Compound capsules containing 99 mg of pregnenolene, 0.3 mg of folic acid and 400 mg of calcium pidolate, to be prepared by the pharmacist. 1 cap/day morning 120 caps
*ARMOUR THYROID: 100 tabs contain natural thyroid extracts bringing 1/4 grain, i.e. 9.5 mcg of levothyoxine (thyroid hormone T4) and 2.25 mcg of liothyronine (thyroid hormone T3); American product; to be taken fasting! 1>2 tabs/day 2 boxes
^These two must be purchased from a Beligian pharmacist as they are American and can not be purchased in the UK*
IODINE: 60 caps contain 225 mcg of iodine and 500 mg of L-tyrosine; SANJM 1 cap/day morning 2 boxes
THYROID SUPPORT COMPLEX: 60 caps provide herbs and nutrients (including 75 mcg of iodine) for optimal thyroid gland function; PURE ENCAPSULATIONS product 1 cap/day morning 2 boxes
Antioxidant Treatment:
CO-Q10: 60 gelules contiennent 100 mg de coenzyme Q10; produit BIO-LIFE 2 cap/day morning 4 boxes
Intestinal Treatment:
L'ORIGINAL: 120 capsules contiennent un mélange de différentes souches de probiotiques sans prurits laitiers (20 milliards de bactéries); produit TWINLIFE 1 cap/day 1 box
It is important to take your supplements during the meals (breakfast and dinner)!
Four months Blood and urine control: Biology S + kit MOU + kit BHU within three months!
treatment (12 hours fast - first morning urine sample - 24 hours urine collection)
The Matrix
Well-known member
To get closure, common sense is the most logical choice
1. Why are your minerals and nutrients low ? Answer : Malabsorption
2. why is your thyroid and probably adrenals function Answer Malabsorption and inflammation
3. why can not you absorb fat? Answer malabsorption
4. What is causing malabsorption ? Answer food intolerance, dysbiosis, and inflammation of GI walls
5. Why is cholesterol low? Answer Lipid malabsorption or inflammed GI tract.
6. What is causing lipid malabsorption ? Answer improper bile flow or decrease in pancreatic enzyes
7. What is causing liver issues ? Answer Altered methylation which is needed for proper bile flow. 95% of blokes have piss poor genes..since most of people Ideal with are from UK.
Why I am in the process of working to bring this approach over to UK with Dr Mouton. Over in the US here, Doctor's cases I have worked on are seeing a major turn around in complex patients. Another 6 months to a year this approach will be standard. I already have made it standard in all my cases.
Correcting 7-->
6,5,4 will correct 3,2,1
As I said before over and over again Balance liver and Gi will resolve most of our health issue (75% or better).
After speaking to some of the worlds best CFS drs. In these situations, I would avoid vitamin D until proper testing of vitamin D 25 oh to vitamin D 1,25 was completed to make sure you are not being pushed into a pro inflammatory state. When it comes to low cholesterol levels I am probably one of the most knowledgeable people. I can site journal after journal on low cholesterol and its impact on health. Cases such as yours are extremely common here in the US..
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mumbles12
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To get closure, common sense is the most logical choice
I agree, however..
1. Why are your minerals and nutrients low ? Answer : Malabsorption
What makes you think they are low when I haven't posted the full report yet (if I choose to)?
2. why is your thyroid and probably adrenals function Answer Malabsorption and inflammation
thyroid is not low, I'm supposedly borderline hyperthyroid not hypothyroid.. you can tell that from my oldest posts alone.
3. why can not you absorb fat? Answer malabsorption
seems to be half dietary and the other half malabsorption
4. What is causing malabsorption ? Answer food intolerance, dysbiosis, and inflammation of GI walls
what food intolerances exactly?.. I scored moderate for lactose and casein but I havent touched dairy or bread for at least 2 months now.
For dysbiosis don't I have to have been abusing my body via excess antibiotics, drugs, alcohol etc?..
inflammation symptoms are mostly the post nasal drip/mucous in throat issue, I have noticed the more vegetables I eat that I can often become constipated however, and this is a new finding as I'm eating more veg atm, have been for 2 months or so.. no pain etc though..
5. Why is cholesterol low? Answer Lipid malabsorption or inflammed GI tract.
agree
6. What is causing lipid malabsorption ? Answer improper bile flow or decrease in pancreatic enzyes
so affecting cholesterol absorption, gotchya..
7. What is causing liver issues ? Answer Altered methylation which is needed for proper bile flow. 95% of blokes have piss poor genes..since most of people Ideal with are from UK.
what causes altered methylation?
Why I am in the process of working to bring this approach over to UK with Dr Mouton. Over in the US here, Doctor's cases I have worked on are seeing a major turn around in complex patients. Another 6 months to a year this approach will be standard. I already have made it standard in all my cases.
ok so does that mean in mainstream medicine or just amongst private still?
Correcting 7-->
6,5,4 will correct 3,2,1
don't know what this is..
As I said before over and over again Balance liver and Gi will resolve most of our health issue (75% or better).
nope.... not to me you didn't, but while were on the subject how do you go about doing it?
After speaking to some of the worlds best CFS drs. In these situations, I would avoid vitamin D until proper testing of vitamin D 25 oh to vitamin D 1,25 was completed to make sure you are not being pushed into a pro inflammatory state. When it comes to low cholesterol levels I am probably one of the most knowledgeable people. I can site journal after journal on low cholesterol and its impact on health. Cases such as yours are extremely common here in the US..
OK... which is it?.... am I Hypothyroid or hyperthyroid? going off the results above... I would have thought the latter since I'm a low bodyweight and not the opposite..
Also is Celiac serology usually accurate, or does that cater to some of the 90% of ****ty testing you mentioned?
my diet is fine, my water intake is fine... I'm allergic to bananas ... well I've been told this could be leaky gut syndrome making it look like bananas are to blame..
mumbles12
Member
sorry?..
mumbles12
Member
No I certainly aren't considering the context. And no I don't care why it is you think I'm being sarcastic about either.
The Matrix
Well-known member
mumbles12 said:
Why would you.be recommended thyroid meds unless its low?
Again common logic
Balance out liver and gi that is an.artform which needs client history.and proper testing to.validate proper.recommendations.
Had to.break.it to you.but 30% -40% of.people.have inflamed gi tract have with no gi.related symptoms. Truly a lack.of.education in.health profession these days its ashame ..
mumbles12
Member
Look.... your confusing me more than you are helping and its frustrating, plus its hard to tell what you are saying how you type you must be on mobile or something, but ill get the full report up "AND THEN... AND ONLY THEN", will you be able to say whether or not it is comprehensive enough imo..
Surely you have seen reports of people who have been to DR M before though if you know him?
Surely you have seen reports of people who have been to DR M before though if you know him?
The Matrix
Well-known member
If your magnesium is that low in the RBC then you are truly major deficiency. Which will probably take you nearly 6 months to a year to correct. In these case I would have suggest Dr do IV nutritional therapy for once or 2 times a week then get the ball rolling.
Vitamin D capsules will not do a thing because of your liver issues. Need emulsified form not gel gaps
I have a few cases similar to yours right now, which well respected GI Drs have no clue what to do so they referred them out to me for further investigation. These people are basically dying of malabsorption with no known explanation. Due to their altered chemistry are hanging on by a thread mentally. I have only a short amount of time to figure out and work with the Dr to find out what is wrong or they will die. Due to stupid ass state laws I have to jump through hoops to have them get the proper testing which is making it even more of a challenge. These are cases I tend to deal with on a weekly basis so I am very familiar with what to expect and how to further evaluate things. This is not a one man show, but having an established relationships with medical professionals working together to do what is right for the Dr's patient. This is why I only deal with so many people a week due to the amount of time and research devoted to each person..Dr's I work with put their ignorance aside, caring less about my credentials, but rather how I was able to help their patients get well when they have exhausted every possibility. I am a health consultant, not a medical Dr. I have no desire to be one by any time soon. All but may be <5% of clients are referred from the Dr.
Correcting GI tract by Identifying pathogens, going to anti inflammatory diet, with proper enyzme support at EVERY SINGLE MEAL is crucial to your recovery other wise your health will continue to decline. You are eating clean but you are not absorbing majority of it so it is not doing you any damn good.
"We are not what we eat, but what we absorb, assimilate, and eliminate"
Dr Mouton plan covers the basics, I prefer to get in there more aggressively. That's just me and do not want people to drag on for months. Why I check in with the Dr and his patients every 4 weeks for first few times then as symptoms get better you space them out..
acidvoodoo
New member
How about uploading the report to a file hosting site. Of course do not include personal identification details. Still interested in how Much all this has cost you
mumbles12
Member
I tried 2 filing host sites and you cant copy the links so can you tell me how to do it please?...............