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Chemist63

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I have been lifting weights now for a couple of years. I am 41 years old and weight about 210 pounds currently. My BF was 17% last time I had it measured and the only things I have tried so far is creatine and protein. My bench is currently around 325 pounds. Last time I checked, my chest was 45" and my arms where about 17". I try to eat 6 meals a day and I get to the gym a min. of 4x a week. I want to still get bigger so I am looking at doing a cycle and see what happens.

Reading the boards, a good first cycle would be:

500mg of testo enanthate a week (Week 1-12)
50 mg of dbol (Week 1-4)
250iu of HCG (Week 4-14 @ 2x week)

Then add nolvadex and clomids for PCT. When do I start these and how much would I take? I have never sticked myself with a needle yet but I never had had trouble with them. Do I need the HCG for a first cycle? I am aware of side effects so I want to be as safe as I can with my first cycle. Can I still take creatine with this? Once the cycle is over, how much gains do most typically keep? I know it depends on diet and such but would I need a second cycle shortly after?

Thanks!!
 
50mg's of Dbol for a first cycle is a little much imo. I would start between 30-40mg's. Running HCG can't hurt, but I've been told it is not necessary for the type of cycle you're planning.

I've never used clomid, so I can't comment on that. For nolva, some start it 7 days, others 10 or more days after their last test shot. Just make sure you have it on-hand prior to beginning your cycle. There are plenty of cycle logs here to look up the protocol on the ancillary doses.

It's fine to use creatine during your cycle, but some people drop it, then resume it for PCT to help retain muscle. I personally don't think it matters. After your cycle, make sure your calories are kept high, and training volume/intenstity lowered to help assist with maintaining your newly aquired muscle tissue.

As far as when to begin another cycle, a lot of people use the rule (time on = time off). Some count PCT as their time on, while others count it as time off. I have also heard the rule time off, plus half. Basically, if you do a 12 week cycle, you would wait 18 weeks until your next one.
 
Thanks for all the help :) Just wondering, do most of you start out with Invalid Link Removed first? Whould that be a better choice for me? I see some have taken the Nolvadex while doing the cycle. Would it matter if I did or not or just a $$$ thing?
 
don't bother with prohormones ... they will be illegal soon and they are less effective than steriods with (usually) just as many and (sometimes) worse sides

people who are gyno prone will run 10mg of nolva ed throughout cycle as a preventative measure ... i don't, but i'm not gyno prone, if you don't konw if you're gyno prone but would rather not find out go ahead and run 10mg of nolva throughout, it won't hinder your gains

i do however run arimidex .5mg eod throughout to control bloat because i do bloat up pretty badly, so that's something to consider as well
 
Initial thoughts: Decrease the dbol, use HCG
At your age, I would definitely use HCG. Dbol at 50mg is a large dosage for a first time user; you may be sensitive to it in a (+/-) manner so a decrease may be wise.

Using nolvadex during a cycle is not necessary. Your dosages once the dbol is adjusted are rather moderate and may not require the usage of an SERM. However, since this is your first time using, your sensitivity to aromatization is unknown. Consequently, your best option would be to have nolvadex to take in case it is needed. This may cost you more money but in the long run you will be happier.

Since you have never injected, I suggest buying a few syringes and practice on an orange. If you get shaky or nervous doing this, then injections into your body are going to be difficult.
 
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Initial thoughts: Decrease the dbol, use HCG
At your age, I would definitely use HCG. Dbol at 50mg is a large dosage for a first time user; you may be sensitive to it in a (+/-) manner so a decrease may be wise.

Using nolvadex during a cycle is not necessary. Your dosages once the dbol is adjusted are rather moderate and may not require the usage of an SERM. However, since this is your first time using, your sensitivity to aromatization is unknown. Consequently, your best option would be to have nolvadex to take in case it is needed. This may cost you more money but in the long run you will be happier.

Since you have never injected, I suggest buying a few syringes and practice on an orange. If you get shaky or nervous doing this, then injections into your body are going to be difficult.
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If I use HCG, does the amount I suggest sound good and the weeks to take it? I will drop the dbol down some to 30mg.

I am really getting excited about this cycle! I have been reading about it for awhile now. Only problem I have now, is finding the **** which has not been easy... I will let you know how it goes.
 
Another thing you may want to think about is if there is a history of prostate problems in your family. You might wanna at least pic up some saw palmetto and dose it pretty liberally.
Also, bloodwork before you start would be good too. That way you have a baseline of all your liver values, ldl/hdl values, base test values etc.
That way you can check yourself well after pct just to make sure everything got back to normal.

Enjoy growing :)
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yeah your dosages for HCG sound find, but you may find you might need 500 per shot .. start at 250 and play it by ear though

have fun :)
 
thank god,

somebody took time to read the posts first! i think we should give him a medal and make him new member of the week; an example for all to follow. oh, and your cycle looks good. on the dbol, all i can get my hands on are the 50mg tabs so that's what i've bought. i'll be running at that dosage, but i've used other things in the past so to each his own. good luck
 
chasec said:
thank god,

somebody took time to read the posts first! i think we should give him a medal and make him new member of the week; an example for all to follow....
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He, he, he :lol: Sad, but true....

Did somebody say award??? :D

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kwyckemynd00 said:
He, he, he :lol: Sad, but true....

Did somebody say award??? :D

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Dude, you have way too much time on your hands. ;)
Actually, I like the idea of the board coming up with a member of the week/month type of deal. Kind of a motivational gimmick to get people to research and/or help more.
 
This board is the best that I have found on the topic and I have been looking for awhile now. This is serious **** and it is good to have people like all of you to help along the way.

So do I get some kind of cash prize along with the award Invalid Link Removed

Keep up the great work
 
chasec said:
you get a "flame" retardent suit. now nobody will bash on you for not reading first!
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LOL! I have always wanted to get big but I just never did it. I have not done bad lately and being 41, I need to do it soon. I am sure you all have your reasons. I see most of my friends with big beer belly's and so far out of shape. I also want to walk down the beach and have people say " DAMM HE IS BIG!" :P My wife, soon to be ex-wife, hates the way guys with big muscles look. All I got to say is screw her and I am sure I can find many others who do like it. I already get looks for being in good condition. Thanks again for all the help.
 
Cuffs said:
Dude, you have way too much time on your hands. ;)
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Oh how I wish that were true....:(

I just made a special effort for the first newbie since I joined (that I've noticed) who actually did the research and read the stickies.
Actually, I like the idea of the board coming up with a member of the week/month type of deal. Kind of a motivational gimmick to get people to research and/or help more.
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Me, too...but, that would probably start riots ;)


Chemist63 said:
This board is the best that I have found on the topic and I have been looking for awhile now. This is serious **** and it is good to have people like all of you to help along the way.

So do I get some kind of cash prize along with the award Invalid Link Removed

Keep up the great work
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(EDIT: Damnit....it didn't work!!)

Anyway, I'm glad you're here though...if you really are a chemist, now I know who to bug for my chemistry homework :D He, he...nah, I'll leave you alone ;)
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Oh how I wish that were true....:(

I just made a special effort for the first newbie since I joined (that I've noticed) who actually did the research and read the stickies.
Me, too...but, that would probably start riots ;)


(EDIT: Damnit....it didn't work!!)

Anyway, I'm glad you're here though...if you really are a chemist, now I know who to bug for my chemistry homework :D He, he...nah, I'll leave you alone ;)
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I am a chemist but I have worked primarily in the industrial sector now for about 14 years. My organic chemistry is a little rusty.

Question, what the hell do you all tell your friends and family when they see you getting so big so fast? I would think people would notice unless they are blind? Just tell them you are working out more now and eating tons of food? They must ask you if you are on juice? It is not going to stop me or anything but just wondering..
 
i tell people i know that work out with me that i've hired a dietician, started creatine again, and dropped cardio. that works with most uneducated people.
 
Never experienced that yet...but, I've been talking to people I know telling them how "I'm finally going to get my diet and workout routine in order over my school break, so I can finally start throwing on some good weight again" in order to prepare them for the size gain...I'll tell you how it works :D
 
I should be able to start this cycle in a couple weeks. Going to go skiing out west for a bit and do not to start it if I do not have a gym and home close to me. Couple more questions:

1. I have read many posts and I am unclear what is the best way to take the dbol. Should I split the 30mg up through the day or take them all at once? One post said it was better for the liver to take them all at once.

2. Same with the Test. All at once or split it up?

Seems there are many differnt thoughts on this issue. Which has worked the best?

Thanks Again

Edit: made a mistake. Thanks for the help again :)
 
The 30mg of dbol is to be taken everyday in split doses of 10mg in the morning, 10mg in the afternoon, and 10mg in the evening.

I would take the test in two shots of 250mg every Monday and Thursday
 
also if you find you need more hCG, add another 250iu on a third day. i would not use more. it's not necessary and increasing it to higher levels is not good. your body needs periodic stimulation not one gigantic one.

fiddler
 
Chemist63 said:
I am a chemist but I have worked primarily in the industrial sector now for about 14 years. My organic chemistry is a little rusty.

Question, what the hell do you all tell your friends and family when they see you getting so big so fast? I would think people would notice unless they are blind? Just tell them you are working out more now and eating tons of food? They must ask you if you are on juice? It is not going to stop me or anything but just wondering..
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I tell people I've started eating like 8,000+ calories a day, and 500g of protein a day :D Which is true... And it's where the gains are really coming from. They don't need to know what supplements I take :rofl:
 
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