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DrivenDreams

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Whats up guys, I usually just read the boards(here and elsewhere) dont ask much cause I can usually find it. However, I just created an account. So, Im getting ready for a another cycle. In a couple months, save some money, make some money, Im cutting down from my last.

My attention is towards a Test/Deca/Winny Cycle with a Short Ester Test to start this thing off quickly.

Stats
6'1 200 5 YRS BB - I understand the importance of diet and rest.
Looking for a lean bulk, possibly 500-700 calorie increase from maintenance then as weight gain comes, I will adjust accordingly.
Cardio will be introduced 2-3 times a week, 20 minutes. (swimming/treadmill/elliptical/stairmaster) to help with the left ventricle.


Plan
1-3 Test Prop 100mg EOD
1-14 Test E 600mg Injx2
1-11 Deca 400mg Injx2
10-14 Winstrol 60mg ED (20mg capsules)

AI's
Cabergoline (1mg) 500mcg Injx2 (for Deca)
Letro 1MG E3D (I had gyno issues with A-dex @ .5mg ED) I don't want to take any more risks. I have lumps, however, they're not bad at this point but, my BF may be to high atm to know if its worse than it looks but it appears to sit fine as long as posture is good and/or nipples are erect. :laugh:
 
what's your logic on running prop with E?
just wondering.

might wanna jump on that hcg and adex on cycle. keep caber on hand.
you don't wanna use an oral to kickstart instead? just wondering. not saying you're wrong or nuttin'.

and why not just do caber/nolva/clomid as a PCT?
 
ibanezman08 said:
what's your logic on running prop with E?
just wondering.
less orals, the better and since im going to run Winny for 30 days Ill save my liver for it. Prop, I'll treat it like a kick start due to its active half life(2-3 days) Test @ 200mg/wk is just over a good natural test production, so 400mg/wk should give me a better advantage to using it. On a side note, I almost swore myself to TEST ONLY cycles cause I feel REAL problems begin when you subject yourself to different hormones besides what you were born with to function properly. Test is a synthetic version of ours, or at least I figured.

might wanna jump on that hcg and adex on cycle. keep caber on hand.
you don't wanna use an oral to kickstart instead? just wondering. not saying you're wrong or nuttin'.
Well, my very first cycle I ran oral beginning/end I feel the orals do more damage with all side effects in general then compared to Inj as well. Well, I would run HCG only if I could get some.

and why not just do caber/nolva/clomid as a PCT?
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Ill probably use Sustain Alpha, Toco-8, EndoAmp Caber Nolva Clomid
 
crazyfool405 said:
if your doing 300mg prop do 200mg Enanth.and then up to 600 when your done with prop. thats how i would do it.
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I've never been sure on this aspect of injecting testosterone...I understand test has to build up in the body. I was never sure though if it only built up to the dosage you inject. If you're saying I put in 400mg for 8 weeks, then I start 600mg, I was never positive if it would take 2 additional weeks for the test E to work @ 600mg. cause if not then why not just inject small dose of Enth then load up on the Prop while its active?
 
crazyfool405 said:
if your doing 300mg prop do 200mg Enanth.and then up to 600 when your done with prop. thats how i would do it.
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thats wrong man, you arent taking into account the ester length. You start with the 600 enth so when you get off the prop it will be close to 600. If you did 200mg then after the prop you would be well below what you were doing with the prop, less than 200mg. Then you have to wait another 4 weeks for the 600 to effect? :nono:
 
DrivenDreams said:
I've never been sure on this aspect of injecting testosterone...I understand test has to build up in the body. I was never sure though if it only built up to the dosage you inject. If you're saying I put in 400mg for 8 weeks, then I start 600mg, I was never positive if it would take 2 additional weeks for the test E to work @ 600mg. cause if not then why not just inject small dose of Enth then load up on the Prop while its active?
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You are doing fine with original plan. I would use the winny with the deca as i have done that in my last inj cycle. I understand you may not have enough deca tho. Run the winny in week 15 and 16 while the Test E ester clears. PCT at the end of week 16. You would start the winny a little later in the cycle or you could stay as planned but run more test prop in week 15,16 either way its good to have something in there the last two weeks after you last enanthate shot.
 
pistonpump said:
thats wrong man, you arent taking into account the ester length. You start with the 600 enth so when you get off the prop it will be close to 600. If you did 200mg then after the prop you would be well below what you were doing with the prop, less than 200mg. Then you have to wait another 4 weeks for the 600 to effect? :nono:
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but he wanted to do it with prop,

so that ester kicks in fast and hell be done with it by the time the enanthate kicks in, why would he do 600mg enanth and 300mg prop at the same time. thats a little crazy IMO especially if its his first.

so he can up the enanth to 600 when hes done with the prop and the ester has kiicked in. thats how my logic saw it.
 
crazyfool405 said:
but he wanted to do it with prop,

so that ester kicks in fast and hell be done with it by the time the enanthate kicks in, why would he do 600mg enanth and 300mg prop at the same time. thats a little crazy IMO especially if its his first.

so he can up the enanth to 600 when hes done with the prop and the ester has kiicked in. thats how my logic saw it.
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but when the prop clears three days after his last pin.. his levels would go almost back to baseline....200mgs of test e is nothing....he would still have to wait for the E to kick in again....
 
mooch2321 said:
but when the prop clears three days after his last pin.. his levels would go almost back to baseline....200mgs of test e is nothing....he would still have to wait for the E to kick in again....
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yea even if hes doing the 200mg during his prop? and then starts the 600 immediatly?

how would it need to be done then?
 
pistonpump said:
thats wrong man, you arent taking into account the ester length. You start with the 600 enth so when you get off the prop it will be close to 600. If you did 200mg then after the prop you would be well below what you were doing with the prop, less than 200mg. Then you have to wait another 4 weeks for the 600 to effect? :nono:
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So im right PP? stick with 600 and 400. Then drop prop wk 4?
 
crazyfool405 said:
but he wanted to do it with prop,

so that ester kicks in fast and hell be done with it by the time the enanthate kicks in, why would he do 600mg enanth and 300mg prop at the same time. thats a little crazy IMO especially if its his first.

so he can up the enanth to 600 when hes done with the prop and the ester has kiicked in. thats how my logic saw it.
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you are not understanding the way esters work.
 
My bad, I was copying and pasting sh!t. yeah, I know...question, Im getting 30ml @ 15mg/ml....damn that **** is going to small looking in the oral syringe... like a drop...its .06ml um thats really tiny, les than 1. should I just use a insulin syringe w/o needle?
 
pistonpump said:
You are doing fine with original plan. I would use the winny with the deca as i have done that in my last inj cycle. I understand you may not have enough deca tho. Run the winny in week 15 and 16 while the Test E ester clears. PCT at the end of week 16. You would start the winny a little later in the cycle or you could stay as planned but run more test prop in week 15,16 either way its good to have something in there the last two weeks after you last enanthate shot.
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I will have enough deca? Winny you mean(for 6 weeks)? Yeah, I was already planning on using winny while test clears. I did think of prop/winny too just to be ONE ANABOLIC MOFO TILL PCT! Good precaution.


My pale ass is tanning now as well, so far, ive used my lotion twice, it seems to help quiet a bit I think but im still powder.

REVISED

1-4 prop 400mgs EOD
1-13 Deca 400mgs
1-14 Test E 600mgs
13-16 Winny 60mg ED
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PCT
17-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
17-20 Caber 500mcg x2/wk
17-20 Clomid 150/100/50/50
15-20 Sutain Alpha
15-20 Endoamp
15-20 Toco-8

1-20 Caber 500mcgs 2x/wk
 
DrivenDreams said:
I will have enough deca? Winny you mean(for 6 weeks)? Yeah, I was already planning on using winny while test clears. I did think of prop/winny too just to be ONE ANABOLIC MOFO TILL PCT! Good precaution.


My pale ass is tanning now as well, so far, ive used my lotion twice, it seems to help quiet a bit I think but im still powder.

REVISED

1-4 prop 400mgs EOD
1-13 Deca 400mgs
1-14 Test E 600mgs
13-16 Winny 60mg ED
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PCT
17-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
17-20 Caber 500mcg x2/wk
17-20 Clomid 150/100/50/50
15-20 Sutain Alpha
15-20 Endoamp
15-20 Toco-8
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no, i meant deca. and no you did not have the winny planned for when the test clears. you just did that after i said and you made the deca longer, like i said. its quite, not quiet. :trout: :op:
 
DrivenDreams said:
My bad, I was copying and pasting sh!t. yeah, I know...question, Im getting 30ml @ 15mg/ml....damn that **** is going to small looking in the oral syringe... like a drop...its .06ml um thats really tiny, les than 1. should I just use a insulin syringe w/o needle?
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i thought the exact same, but what it means in that theres .5mg per ml....30ml = 15mg
 
pistonpump said:
no, i meant deca. and no you did not have the winny planned for when the test clears. you just did that after i said and you made the deca longer, like i said. its quite, not quiet. :trout: :op:
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look here c.u.m.dumpster. LOL my first cycle i was paranoid sailing on no gear while test clears so I used EPI...winny was planned but I did think of prop also who knows.
 
nosnmiveins said:
i thought the exact same, but what it means in that theres .5mg per ml....30ml = 15mg
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You sure? That means i need 2 bottles.....thats costly, especially when I need 20 weeks worth and they give me 15 weeks worth in 1 bottle...maybe I need to find another source who has a larger bottle. I dont want THAT MUCH EXTRA
 
chess315 said:
you have it set up correctly . your kick starting the right way that looks like a bad ass cycle.
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Thanks bro, I sat home with a 2 hour gap till I had to leave..I just started typing in word and seeing what I could create off the top of my head that would be really fun for me.

I'm debating Prop at the end too for the last 2/2.5 weeks. since it'll be up in 2-3 days. Imma be so anabolic!!!!!!
 
So -


REVISED

1-4 prop 400mgs EOD (2 vials)
1-13 Deca 400mgs (2 vials)
1-14 Test E 600mgs (3 vials)
13-16 Winny 60mg ED (100 caps)

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PCT
17-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
17-20 Clomid 150/100/50/50
15-20 Sutain Alpha
15-20 Endoamp
15-20 Toco-8

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AI/Prolactin
1-20 Caber 500mcgs 2x/wk
1-16 Letro 1MG E3D
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I never really thought of any additional supplements when on gear cause I was already supplementing with that, whats worth investing in? diet is will be bad ass!
 
DrivenDreams said:
look here c.u.m.dumpster. LOL my first cycle i was paranoid sailing on no gear while test clears so I used EPI...winny was planned but I did think of prop also who knows.
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no winny was not, look at your first post d1cklicker.

why did you change username anyway? scrub
 
DrivenDreams said:
So -


REVISED

1-4 prop 400mgs EOD (2 vials)
1-13 Deca 400mgs (2 vials)
1-14 Test E 600mgs (3 vials)
13-16 Winny 60mg ED (100 caps)

----------------------------
PCT
17-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
17-20 Clomid 150/100/50/50
15-20 Sutain Alpha
15-20 Endoamp
15-20 Toco-8

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AI/Prolactin
1-20 Caber 500mcgs 2x/wk
1-16 Letro 1MG E3D
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I never really thought of any additional supplements when on gear cause I was already supplementing with that, whats worth investing in? diet is will be bad ass!
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looks real good but i would be cautious of using caber that long....idk im not to sure on the safety of the stuff. You could at least start it week 5, after the prop, the deca shouldnt be a problem. I know deca for me wasnt a problem but everyone is different. That way you would only need one bottle. Thats alot of caber in just one bottle 15mg? IDK are you sure its legit?
 
pistonpump said:
looks real good but i would be cautious of using caber that long....idk im not to sure on the safety of the stuff. You could at least start it week 5, after the prop, the deca shouldnt be a problem. I know deca for me wasnt a problem but everyone is different. That way you would only need one bottle. Thats alot of caber in just one bottle 15mg? IDK are you sure its legit?
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your source is my source for caber(IR). Its 15mg diluted into a 30ml bottle says nosmveins.
 
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