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New highly effective means of myostatin blocking

jomi822

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Department of Physiology and Pennsylvania Muscle Institute, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104-6085, USA.

Mutations in myostatin (GDF8) cause marked increases in muscle mass, suggesting that this transforming growth factor-beta (TGF-beta) superfamily member negatively regulates muscle growth. Myostatin blockade therefore offers a strategy for reversing muscle wasting in Duchenne's muscular dystrophy (DMD) without resorting to genetic manipulation. Here, we demonstrate that pharmacological blockade using a myostatin propeptide stabilized by fusion to IgG-Fc improved pathophysiology of the mdx mouse model of DMD. Functional benefits evidenced by specific force improvement, exceeded those reported previously using myostatin antibody-mediated blockade. More importantly, use of a propeptide blockade strategy obviates possibilities of anti-idiotypic responses that could potentially limit the effectiveness of antibody-mediated myostatin blockade strategies over time. This study provides a novel pharmacological strategy for treatment of diseases associated with muscle wasting such as DMD and since it uses an endogenous inhibitor of myostatin should help circumvent technical hurdles and toxicity associated with conventional gene or cell based therapies.

Full Report-http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/19/6/543#B42


Discussion Portion
Correction of the muscle wasting pathognomic of DMD constitutes an important goal for a variety of therapeutic strategies (11 12 13 , 40 , 41) . It is becoming increasingly apparent that this can be achieved not only by positive effectors of muscle growth (e.g., IGF-1) (42 , 43) , but also via repression of "negative" growth factors such as myostatin (GDF8) (19 , 21) , which inhibit muscle growth. We used the latter strategy in this study to demonstrate that myostatin blockade achieved by i.p. injections of a stabilized version of the myostatin propeptide resulted in a functional improvement of dystrophic pathophysiology in mdx mice. This strategy provides a novel pharmacological approach for treatment of diseases associated with muscle wasting and circumvents technical hurdles and toxicity associated with conventional gene or cell-based therapy. The use of this endogenously expressed molecule obviates the possibility of an anti-idiotypic response that could potentially limit effectiveness of antibody-mediated myostatin blockade strategy (19) over time. As sequence information for canine (K. J. Perkins and T. S. Khurana; AY367768) and human (19 , 25) myostatin is available, species-specific propeptide molecule(s) can be readily generated for conducting preclinical studies in the canine DMD model. If issues regarding the significantly higher costs, breeding difficulties, and phenotypic variability associated with the canine model can be satisfactorily circumvented by experimental design, preclinical testing of the myostatin propeptide approach in dystrophic dogs could facilitate efficient progression to clinical studies in patients, since the progressive muscle weakness and fibrosis observed for the canine DMD model more closely resembles human DMD than mice. In princi-ple, synthesis of therapeutic propeptide molecules would overcome the potential delays and difficulties associated with identification and isolation of functional canine or humanized antibodies against myostatin for use in these species.

The degree of physiological improvement achieved using the propeptide approach exceeded the improvement achieved using murine antibody-mediated blockade (19) , as evidenced by an improvement in specific force (Table 2 ). This may be related to the 500-fold higher binding affinity of the propeptide moiety to myostatin compared with the blocking antibodies and/or the potential for the propeptide moiety to target GDF8 (myostatin) and closely related GDF11, rather than GDF8 alone. Improvement of specific force is a significant finding since it provides physiological evidence of a fundamental improvement in muscle mechanics using this pharmacological strategy. Though extremely encouraging, it is important to point out that no improvement was observed when using provocative ex vivo lengthening contraction protocols (Table 1) , suggesting that the muscle remained susceptible to contraction-mediated damage (27 , 28) . This may be related to late onset and/or inadequate dosage of propeptide or a shared feature of strategies that seek to increase muscle mass in order to compensate for the dystrophic phenotype rather than directly replace the missing gene product (19 , 37 , 42 , 43) . These limitations could be overcome by combinatorial use with conventional gene/cell-based therapies or pharmacological approaches designed to correct specific functional deficits (44) . The fact that such significant benefits were achieved independent of increased utrophin expression suggests that myostatin blockade could be further potentiated by combination with effectors of utrophin up-regulation known to improve ECC force drop (13 , 29 , 45) . Experiments are currently under way to test these possibilities
 
LEave it up to science to take the fun out of the game! :study:

(I'll still be on this one though when it becomes more available and tested though)
 
we may or may not be looking at a significant new drug in the bodybuilding arsenal. 500 fold better binding affinity than the anti body....someone needs to start doing "research" with myostatin blocking
 
I beleive there already has been some "research" done. I remember (when I was looking into it) seeing 2 logs somewhere.
Didnt help me with my decision, as one really liked it, and the other did not. so....
 
this IS very interesting but I dont believe it will take all the fun out of it. Theres one saying that the program of life always goes to and thats "if its too good to be true, it is". This is why no safe supplements give as good of effects as the hormonal ones, which have sides. The same reason a big mac tastes better than a can of tuna.
 
MattHines said:
this IS very interesting but I dont believe it will take all the fun out of it. Theres one saying that the program of life always goes to and thats "if its too good to be true, it is". This is why no safe supplements give as good of effects as the hormonal ones, which have sides. The same reason a big mac tastes better than a can of tuna.

No- it wont take all the fun out of it.
I cant remember the last time I had a big mac :blink: :burger:
 
can you post some links to those logs flossy?

im sure they arent using the propeptide as was the case in the above experiment. 500 fold better binding affinity is a no joke number. however, from the research ive been looking at, blocking only 25% of your myostatin can give a very noticeable effect.

i would highly reccomend our sponsors start looking into anti-body, propeptide research chemicals that dont seel for $500 like L.I.F.E.'s product.
 
A nonsponsor already has the antibodies. Can't post the site, but it isn't too hard to find. As far as selling this as a research supplement, I'd recommend against using it. There are still some serious cardiac concerns in some species from what I understand.
 
CDB said:
A nonsponsor already has the antibodies. Can't post the site, but it isn't too hard to find. As far as selling this as a research supplement, I'd recommend against using it. There are still some serious cardiac concerns in some species from what I understand.

There are also efficacy concerns. While the bodybuilding community has been drooling at the thought of inhibiting myostatin, it should be noted that the most current research on myostatin indicates it likely only plays a role during childhood. That would mean inhibiting myostatin would only have an effect on children.
 
This is old new........there are many way to block myostatin, fusion antibodies are a classical molecular biology assay to study a specific gene fucntion.
 
Nullifidian said:
There are also efficacy concerns. While the bodybuilding community has been drooling at the thought of inhibiting myostatin, it should be noted that the most current research on myostatin indicates it likely only plays a role during childhood. That would mean inhibiting myostatin would only have an effect on children.

Myostatin is not only involved in early stages of life. It also plays an important role in embroyonic skeletal muscle development. Myostatin belongs to the TGF-b family genes, whcih its signaling pathway envolved in specification on many oragns, like the liver.
 
x_muscle said:
Myostatin is not only involved in early stages of life. It also plays an important role in embroyonic skeletal muscle development. Myostatin belongs to the TGF-b family genes, whcih its signaling pathway envolved in specification on many oragns, like the liver.

Taking this into consideration myostatin blocking seems to have many holes in it. But look at the evidence

The study posted shows that myostatin blocking caused a gain in skeletal muscle in mice with the equivalent of muscular dystrophy.

Taking this into consideration its apparent, that in mice at least, myostatin blocking proves to be anabolic. How this translates into human expression, were not sure yet. The fact that companies are reasearching myostatin blocking in animals for the purpose of possible human treatment in the future implies to me a very strong possibility, almost a certainty that myostain blocking would be anabloc in humans.
 
jomi822 said:
Taking this into consideration myostatin blocking seems to have many holes in it. But look at the evidence

The study posted shows that myostatin blocking caused a gain in skeletal muscle in mice with the equivalent of muscular dystrophy.

Taking this into consideration its apparent, that in mice at least, myostatin blocking proves to be anabolic. How this translates into human expression, were not sure yet. The fact that companies are reasearching myostatin blocking in animals for the purpose of possible human treatment in the future implies to me a very strong possibility, almost a certainty that myostain blocking would be anabloc in humans.

It is a possibility. It'll be a while before we see anything we should try even as a research chem on our hamsters though.
 
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Here is a link to an anti-myostatin clinical trial by Wyeth.
 
Yeah there are a few anti-myostatin drugs now.... Myo-29, ACVR2B, Polyclonal antibody, monoclonal antibody are the ones I've read of so far.



DISCLAIMER: the following is hearsay and not to be construed as fact.........But
Supposedly, there are allready elite level pro's investing in the ACVR2B compound. As it has shown up on the black market. This guy that was interacting with the source told me and some other guys that he was "hooking it up" for two pro's who's names would not be revealed, and that after these two allegedly "test it". Their clout in the community may essentially make or break the ACVR2B compound in the bodybuilding world. This is hearsay BTW, Im neutral in terms of the credibility of the source and of the guy supposedly "hooking up these two pro's".

I thought about trying some, but it's like a minimum of $500 for like two 4 week cycles or something like that. I didnt have the cash and was hesitant to trust the compound AND FRANKLY the source until further notice.
The guy's probably out by now, but if it's any good it will be back.

BTW, IBE was asked if they would carry it (ACVR2B)for research only, but it was so costly that they didnt want to risk the investment. Most researchers wouldnt be able to afford it.
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Yeah there are a few anti-myostatin drugs now.... Myo-29, ACVR2B, Polyclonal antibody, monoclonal antibody are the ones I've read of so far.



DISCLAIMER: the following is hearsay and not to be construed as fact.........But
Supposedly, there are allready elite level pro's investing in the ACVR2B compound. As it has shown up on the black market. This guy that was interacting with the source told me and some other guys that he was "hooking it up" for two pro's who's names would not be revealed, and that after these two allegedly "test it". Their clout in the community may essentially make or break the ACVR2B compound in the bodybuilding world. This is hearsay BTW, Im neutral in terms of the credibility of the source and of the guy supposedly "hooking up these two pro's".

I thought about trying some, but it's like a minimum of $500 for like two 4 week cycles or something like that. I didnt have the cash and was hesitant to trust the compound AND FRANKLY the source until further notice.
The guy's probably out by now, but if it's any good it will be back.

BTW, IBE was asked if they would carry it (ACVR2B)for research only, but it was so costly that they didnt want to risk the investment. Most researchers wouldnt be able to afford it.

it appears that either way we will soon know the possible bodybuilding applications of myostatin blockers and to what degree. a bodybuilder on 3 or 4 grams of anabolic steroids a week with 50% of his myostatin blocked is something i would like to see.

does anyone have a link to a bodybuilding board "research log"? i believe flossy mentioned two in which the polyclonal antibody was used.

if anyone can get their hands on acvr2b or myo-29 i would love to have a chat with that person.
 
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