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New help with my PH cycle please.

del14

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UPDATED THE CYCLE

I done more research into certain compounds and how they interact. Put together a simple cycle, what do you guys think?
It might seem like overkill lol but i just want to get the max out of these compounds and recover fast and keep gains :)

CYCLE
tudca - Week 1 -10 ED
epi - Week 1 -6 30/30/30/45/45/45
dermatest - Week 1 -7 1⁄2 pump (1 ml) 1-2 times ED
forma stanzol - Week 1 -7 3 - 10 pump ED

PCT
nolva - Week 8 -12 20/20/10/10
Forged PCT - Week 8 - 12+ ED till it runs out
DAA - Week 8 - 12 3G ED
Test Infusion- Week 8 - 12+ ED till it runs out

OTHER SUPPS
orange triad - Week 1 - 12+ ED
taurine - Week 1 - 6 5G ED
glutamine - Week 1 - 6 3G ED


Stats-
Diet:
3500k+ cals
45% protien
45% carbs
10% fat

Stats:
Height 5'9
Weight 13 stone
BF% Around the 14 mark.

Any help or opinions at all would be great. Will be logging this when i get everything sorted out.
 
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On cycle of epi i went 4 weeks and my nips were fine im sure. Did not notice anything else apart from lethargy, Its just to be on the safe side. What about using dermacrine on cycle?
 
del14 said:
On cycle of epi i went 4 weeks and my nips were fine im sure. Did not notice anything else apart from lethargy, Its just to be on the safe side. What about using dermacrine on cycle?
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BPS dermacrine would be better than using something as strong as form. It has a builtin AI that won't kill your estrogen, you need some estrogen to get the best gains, and it is mild test base, so it'll help with lethargy.
 
Yeah it was either dermacrine or forma i just wasnt sure which would benefit the best. How should i dose the dermacrine?
What dmz product would you recommend the majority of ones i have seen are with stacked methlys how harsher is it than epi?
 
del14 said:
Yeah it was either dermacrine or forma i just wasnt sure which would benefit the best. How should i dose the dermacrine? What dmz product would you recommend the majority of ones i have seen are with stacked methlys how harsher is it than epi?
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Depends on weight, 3 pumps if you weigh less than 191, 191-230 4 pumps, 230+ 5 pumps, but also it is on personal preference as well. I can vouch for Celtic labs dmz, I used it during summer and much stronger and bigger than before. Some other popular companies are lgi and olympus labs. The stacks are overrated IMO, if you want to stack prohormones buy each compound separately and dose at what you want. How harsh is dmz compared to epistane? It is dimethylated, but it won't kill you. Just take on cycle support and watch your bp. Get some tudca if you want extra protection for liver.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Depends on weight, 3 pumps if you weigh less than 191, 191-230 4 pumps, 230+ 5 pumps, but also it is on personal preference as well. I can vouch for Celtic labs dmz, I used it during summer and much stronger and bigger than before. Some other popular companies are lgi and olympus labs. The stacks are overrated IMO, if you want to stack prohormones buy each compound separately and dose at what you want. How harsh is dmz compared to epistane? It is dimethylated, but it won't kill you. Just take on cycle support and watch your bp. Get some tudca if you want extra protection for liver.
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Interested in all the talk of Dermacrine, does it effects body composition? I mean forget lethargy, what type of effects will it have?

I was always under the impression DHEA was weak?

Interested in people's experiences with it in terms of that (not for lethargy)
 
Alasel said:
Interested in all the talk of Dermacrine, does it effects body composition? I mean forget lethargy, what type of effects will it have? I was always under the impression DHEA was weak? Interested in people's experiences with it in terms of that (not for lethargy)
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It won't yield 30lbs gains solo, but yes it will effect body composition. It is very commonly stacked so I can say of how much to expect, but seeing as DHEA converts to other anabolic hormones while in the body (ie. Androstenedione, testosterone and androstenediol.) you should experience increased muscle synthesis. DHEA has the possibility to convert into estrogen based hormones so their is the built in AI. DHEA also converts to 6-oxo-DHEA and 7-beta-DHEA which aids in fat loss as both are thermogenic based so simultaneously you can lose weight. All of that is just scratching the surface there is other ingredients in the formula that also have some great effects on body composition and well-being. That is if we are speaking of BPS dermacrine :)
 
I am assuming the best time to use Dermacrine is on cycle and come off it in pct? I know getting my nat test going again is key so what do you guys think about adding some DAA in my pct or is it overkill for such a mild cycle?
 
Abe Lincoln said:
It won't yield 30lbs gains solo, but yes it will effect body composition. It is very commonly stacked so I can say of how much to expect, but seeing as DHEA converts to other anabolic hormones while in the body (ie. Androstenedione, testosterone and androstenediol.) you should experience increased muscle synthesis. DHEA has the possibility to convert into estrogen based hormones so their is the built in AI. DHEA also converts to 6-oxo-DHEA and 7-beta-DHEA which aids in fat loss as both are thermogenic based so simultaneously you can lose weight. All of that is just scratching the surface there is other ingredients in the formula that also have some great effects on body composition and well-being. That is if we are speaking of BPS dermacrine :)
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So it can potentially enhance gains if say stacked with Epi? Would class it as "wet" or "dry" from you experience?

Thanks
 
Alasel said:
So it can potentially enhance gains if say stacked with Epi? Would class it as "wet" or "dry" from you experience? Thanks
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Yes, it can help out about any cycle. If we are speaking of bps dermacrine than it is fairly dry, it has builtin AI to prevent it from converting to estrogen. I'd rather go stano and dermacrine over trest any day to stay dry.
 
I updated the cycle and gonna run dermatrest with epi now. I have never ran any wet compound before. What should i expect from it? How would it complement the epi?
 
del14 said:
I updated the cycle and gonna run dermatrest with epi now. I have never ran any wet compound before. What should i expect from it? How would it complement the epi?
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As long as you are taking form and watching your carb/sodium intake you should see minimal bloat. As it is wet and epistane is relatively dry, it will aid in keeping your joints lubed and overall feel good. Epistane is know for rebound after cycle so be sure to have an AI ready. BPS is comin out with a new Anti-estrogen and cortisol, Elimistane, so it might be out in time for your pct if you'd like to give it a try.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
As long as you are taking form and watching your carb/sodium intake you should see minimal bloat. As it is wet and epistane is relatively dry, it will aid in keeping your joints lubed and overall feel good. Epistane is know for rebound after cycle so be sure to have an AI ready. BPS is comin out with a new Anti-estrogen and cortisol, Elimistane, so it might be out in time for your pct if you'd like to give it a try.
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Thanks for the great info, I will defo look into the elimistane.

I'm gonna run it in a few weeks to a month max. Want it to be at the best possible time. Yeh I will be doin a full before/during/after log.
 
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