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throneof
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2 years ago my total E was 70. It has doubled even though I'm 15 pounds lighter and much leaner. All I've been taking is ipamorelin (which I think is bunk) and a TB 500 cycle in the spring. I recently took benzodiazepines for a week and a half and have suffered bad rebound insomnia as a result of stopping. Any thoughts on the BW guys?
kenpoengineer
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No AAS or anything else? Go donate blood now, to bring the thick blood (high hematocrit) down.
throneof
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No AAS. Been taking vitamin D3 3000 IU's/day, 100-400 mcg nightly of ipamorelin. That's it. Yeah I could go donate, but I usually get denied because my BP elevates anytime a professional takes it due to a moment in time that was scary for me that I'm not going to delve into here
Kenpo, do you think it's possible the ipamorelin ive been using is bunk? It took my igf 1 from 140-160 after a year of use. I purchased it as research peptide. The only reason I think it's bunk is because I've had prescription sermorelin and that took my igf 1 from 140-277 in four days. This is pa little worrisome, as my total estrogen count is bothering me more than anything else. Do you think the "IPA" caused the surge in estrogen, depending on what they were putting in there?
Unless they were selling me ghrp 6 or 2, both of which I believe work as mediators with E in the development of gyno. That's all I can think of
kenpoengineer
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Sorry, I don't have experience with ipamorelin. But you really need to donate as your RBC and hematocrit levels are pretty high. You certainly don't want to suffer a stroke from this.
throneof
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They're out of range man, but fear mongering of a stroke is a bit much. I've known guys on this forum and others that have hemoglobins of 21 and hematocrits of up to 57. It didn't prevent my doc from just writing me a script for a cycle too. I plan on 250/wk for 12 weeks and am in the process of learning how to self bleed
kenpoengineer
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Yes, I'm treating this seriously. Any elevated hematocrit level above 51% has a chance of stroke risk:
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Now, before you go crazy, I said "risk" and it depends on the individual and their health. Why take a chance on your health when a simple blood donation can help?
throneof
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I do appreciate the input brother. My hemoglobin, hematocrit, and RBC have been elevated since my youth. I was a highly decorated NCAA distance runner back in 99-03. Most accomplished distance runners have elevated blood volume, which is why they can run fast for long distances. My sister (who is not an athlete) has a hemoglobin of 20. So it is genetic for us. She's slim, I'm 175 at 5-8". I've seen some labs have 54 as the upper range limit. I was dehydrated when I had the blood drawn too. But I would like to lower it. I have some naringin on the way and a member in here claims to have lowered his crit by 4 points in a month. I'm also going to learn how to do a therapeutic phlebotomy
Hopefully someone can chime in on my estrogen anomaly. I already threw away the remaining vials of the ipamorelin. Got some Rx sermorelin on the way.
Do you cycle kenpo? TRT?
kenpoengineer
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was worried you were a non-athlete (normal guy) with high hematocrit and RBC that was on the verge of stroking out! Lol. Just concerned for your health and got a little alarmed for you.
I'm on TRT now for two years and have to give blood myself to keep RBC/hematocrit in check. At 57 I have to be careful.
throneof
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Yeah bro, I've been an athlete my entire life. Was a collegiate soccer player and distance runner. After college I got into bodybuilding and powerlifting. I'm 36 and have done one cycle my entire life, which was 2 years ago. Gearing up for another run with some test I got prescribed by an anti aging clinic.
Have you ever tried self bleeding? I've seen a video by a guy on another forum and it doesn't look too complicated
Cycloman
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OP - getting back to your original question about Estrogen; total E doesn't really tell anything. You need Estradiol which is the form that aromatizes from Testosterone and causes problems in males. If you are going on cycle you should have this checked and make sure you take an AI like arimidex with the Test/AAS.
throneof
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Right on bro. I know. The clinic I work with ordered this lab. I even asked the doc why he didn't check estradiol sensitive. I don't think they have it all together because he tried selling me test cream and said it wouldn't shut
Me down. I said to him well its exogenous testosterone so it's going to shut me down. He then said yeah but it won't shut you down as hard....whatever
I will be using adex at 0.25 mg 3xweek, HCG 250 IU's mon, thurs, and 250 test cyp 125 Monday 125 Thursday. Will have prescribed clomid for PCT
Cycloman
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Great – glad you did your homework on this and didn't listen to another one of these quack doctors that don't have any real experience with this.
Fwiw - I think your protocol looks good. Have you ever used Clomid before? Some people tolerate it better than others – it comes with a lot of side effects. I personally had a very good success with it running a very low-dose – 12.5 mg/day. No sides and bounced me back from a Sarms run where I was very suppressed (i.e. Took me from 176 total T to 900 in 4 weeks.)
Fwiw - I think your protocol looks good. Have you ever used Clomid before? Some people tolerate it better than others – it comes with a lot of side effects. I personally had a very good success with it running a very low-dose – 12.5 mg/day. No sides and bounced me back from a Sarms run where I was very suppressed (i.e. Took me from 176 total T to 900 in 4 weeks.)
throneof
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I used prescribed clomid when I cycled 2 years ago after a test cycle 250/week. No sides. Kept getting stronger too. I ran 50 mg/day along with some RC nolvadex (but who knows if that was real)
I'm a little skeptical of RC stuff after the ipamorelin I've been using did nothing for my igf 1 levels