as in there both dry compounds. looking to gain between 5-10 lbs. hard dry gains. in a caloric surplus. andro and epi andro are mainly for a cut but during a caloric surplus i would try to obtain very dry hard gains while losing about 1% bodyfat. I'm completely natty and do not want to take anything methylated for the first time. went from 5'10 133 9% to 5'10 171 8% in 21 months. i surprise people by my weight because i look closer to 190.