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co9

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Hey, I'm 24 6' 170lbs and I was thinking about taking dbol to gain some mass. This would be my first cycle and would just like to know if you guys think it's a good idea! Thanks for the help!
 
From everytime I read a first anabolics thread a straight test thread is a good starting point.
 
There's plenty of first timer steroids u can use. Epi, halodrol, proto max, pstanz, maybe mlmg but it's more harsh.
 
dannyn2007 said:
There's plenty of first timer steroids u can use. Epi, halodrol, proto max, pstanz, maybe mlmg but it's more harsh.
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Not familiar with any of this! Sounds like I need to do some more research
 
Prohormone over the counter. Some are just designer steroids.
 
co9 said:
Hey, I'm 24 6' 170lbs and I was thinking about taking dbol to gain some mass. This would be my first cycle and would just like to know if you guys think it's a good idea! Thanks for the help!
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Depends on where you're at with your diet and weightlifting. I don't think steroids will do much if your diet and workouts aren't conducive to muscle growth. I don't think steroids actually *cause* muscle growth, they just help under the right circumstances, which are, regular workouts with heavy weights, proper rest, and an optimised diet. The main drivers are the weights and diet. Getting those things sorted out are what puts mass on you, 'roids just speed up the process somewhat.
 
yes
 
compudog said:
Depends on where you're at with your diet and weightlifting. I don't think steroids will do much if your diet and workouts aren't conducive to muscle growth. I don't think steroids actually *cause* muscle growth, they just help under the right circumstances, which are, regular workouts with heavy weights, proper rest, and an optimised diet. The main drivers are the weights and diet. Getting those things sorted out are what puts mass on you, 'roids just speed up the process somewhat.
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I've got all that down to a science and I've came a long way . Started at about 135 lbs, but now I'm kinda stuck and looking for anything to give me a boost
 
You can probably up your calories and lifting and gain weight 6 foot and 170 unless you are 10-12% bf is fairly small. H-drol is a great first cycle there are tons of logs of helladrol on here.
 
Gerbil said:
You can probably up your calories and lifting and gain weight 6 foot and 170 unless you are 10-12% bf is fairly small. H-drol is a great first cycle there are tons of logs of helladrol on here.
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Ok thanks I'll check it out
 
i would highly suggest not doing a dbol only cycle, especially not a for a first cycle. like the others have said, helladrol (h-drol) is a great first ph. good strength and mass gains. nothing outrageous, but definitely worth it. my best advice, RESEARCH! do tons of reading about it and PCT. just google "h-drol log" or "helladrol log". see other's progress and see what their post cycle looks like as far as a SERM.
 
laserbluess said:
i would highly suggest not doing a dbol only cycle, especially not a for a first cycle. like the others have said, helladrol (h-drol) is a great first ph. good strength and mass gains. nothing outrageous, but definitely worth it. my best advice, RESEARCH! do tons of reading about it and PCT. just google "h-drol log" or "helladrol log". see other's progress and see what their post cycle looks like as far as a SERM.
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Ok thanks for the help. I been reading up on it as much as possible . Just don't exactly understand about the pct and other things I may need to take with it to stay safe but I'll make sure I do before I take it
 
there is a thread around here somewhere that details SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulator). they are used after taking anabolics to help restore your body's natural test production and also keep ya from getting gyno (man boobs)
 
laserbluess said:
there is a thread around here somewhere that details SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulator). they are used after taking anabolics to help restore your body's natural test production and also keep ya from getting gyno (man boobs)
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I thought that's what pct was for
 
well, yes. a SERM usually makes up the backbone of your PCT. your pct should include something like this: 1) a SERM of some sort (nolvadex, clomid or torem) 2) D-aspartic acid 3) creatine 4) whatever else you want really.
 
I think you need to learn to eat.... my personal opinion... 6 ft tall and 170 lbs is very big bro... You can easily gain 15-20 lbs without the use ofa prohormone by eating and taking your basic supplementation... Get as big naturally and get the basics of diet and nutrition down before you jump on a cycle and lose your gains.... Even tho your probably like 95% of the people i talk to on the boards, your gonan do your own thing, just make sure you research proper pct for whatever you decide on taking... BTW.... Diet=70% lifting weights +20%, juice=10%... Get the basics doen bro...
Johnny
 
I don't try to limit myself to a certain daily caloric intake, I just try to eat as much as I can but I don't eat any junk
 
It doesn't matter how much I eat , I always stay lean. Guess I've just got a high metabolism.
 
Then you almost certainly need to eat more. Add olive oil to meals, add peanut butter to meals, add nuts, add eggs, add milk. Pick up chickens (cooked ones) and eat them! Eat big + lift big + sleep big = get big. At 6' you can get much bigger than 170lb without any PHs or Steroids of any kind.
 
co9 said:
I don't try to limit myself to a certain daily caloric intake, I just try to eat as much as I can but I don't eat any junk
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It's not a question of limiting yourself, but rather of keeping a record and making a cold blooded evaluation of what you're actually consuming. It's really hard to do that if you don't make the effort to keep track and write everything down for a week or so. You need to track total carbs, protien, & fat. A spreadsheet works well, a lot of people use phones these days as well. Once you track it for a week or so you won't have to do it again.

Once you track it and see where you're at you can work on optimising your diet. The basic goal is 40/40/20, 40% calories from protein, 40% from carbs, 20% from fats. Your total intake should be somewhere north of 2K Cal, probably between 2500 & 3000 if you're trying to gain weight.

Personally I wouldn't attempt to use a PH until you've done that. If you don't eat right even the most powerful steroid on earth won't make you gain weight.
 
I did eat "as much as I could" for 2 years and didn't put any lean mass. Any. I only started to grow and recomp and my lifts got bigger when I got my diet in order i.e. correct amount of calories and enough proteins. Just my 2c.
 
What are your lifts looking like?
 
UKNoko said:
I did eat "as much as I could" for 2 years and didn't put any lean mass. Any. I only started to grow and recomp and my lifts got bigger when I got my diet in order i.e. correct amount of calories and enough proteins. Just my 2c.
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Then eat more.
 
Gerbil said:
I have always been confused by how people are having a problem with this concept?
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Same here it doesn't make any sense, I just put on 10 pounds in 2 months completely natty, nothing but food.
 
Putting on weight and muscle never been a problem for me, loosing fat however pain in the ass.
 
gotta love the endo bodytype eh? LMAO... blargh
 
Muscly pudge....... God damn genetics. Atleast I will soon be able to hit my 300lbs for 10 reps goal but never be able to do that with 10% bodyfat.
 
you could, it will just take more time and gerbilly anabolic research :D
 
Gerbil said:
Muscly pudge....... God damn genetics. Atleast I will soon be able to hit my 300lbs for 10 reps goal but never be able to do that with 10% bodyfat.
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U can do it. Just run test/tren with some SD at the end lol.
 
Still in a position that I can't pin, needles around the house would be bad.
 
The greatest difference between a pro bodybuilder, an amateur bodybuilding and a novice bodybuilding is really the discipline in the diet.

Also, I can say from personal experience that quality calories amount to much more anabolic effectiveness than empty calories. Processed foods have lots of empty calories and will require 3500+ calories to make gains for most people. Those gains will be mostly water and fat with a marginal muscle gain. I know from experience.

However, quality calories could take as little as 65% of the total caloric amount of processed foods to get better results. If I had to choose between 1500 kCals of clean food and 300 kCals of processed foods, I'd pick the clean foods every time. They work better at building and keeping muscle, IMO.

As I said at first the diet is the biggest factor in determining your level of competitiveness in the gym. An IFBB pro might eat 5000kCals a day but does so in a very clean fashion. This is rare and it's also what it takes to be that successful. I'd say get your diet cleaned up as much as possible, go to the grocery store and keep a workable stock level of about 5-7 days of groceries in the pantry. This allows you to tweak often and it avoids you being stuck with a lot of food that you decided was a bad idea to explore with. It's the same concept as Lean Management in a manufacturing environment. Reduce inventory and have more frequent runs to the grocery store. After you've ratcheted the diet down to something impressively clean, then you can decide how many calories you need to add. I'd say 250-500kCals over maintenance to make sure slow steady and solid gains happen.
 
Yep. I thought I was eating enough. I was eating more than my peers anyway. Typical hardgainer. It took me a while to apply the concept of eating more, yes. Silly me.
"Whatever you are doing you should have started it sooner" ;-)
 
fueledpassion said:
The greatest difference between a pro bodybuilder, an amateur bodybuilding and a novice bodybuilding is really the discipline in the diet.

Also, I can say from personal experience that quality calories amount to much more anabolic effectiveness than empty calories. Processed foods have lots of empty calories and will require 3500+ calories to make gains for most people. Those gains will be mostly water and fat with a marginal muscle gain. I know from experience.

However, quality calories could take as little as 65% of the total caloric amount of processed foods to get better results. If I had to choose between 1500 kCals of clean food and 300 kCals of processed foods, I'd pick the clean foods every time. They work better at building and keeping muscle, IMO.

As I said at first the diet is the biggest factor in determining your level of competition on the gym. An IFBB pro might eat 5000kCals a day but does so in a very clean fashion. This is rare and it's also what it takes to be a that successful. I'd say get your diet cleaned up as much as possible, go to the grocery store and keep a workable stock level of about 5-7 days of groceries in the pantry. This allows you to tweak often and it avoids you being stuck with a lot of food that you decided was a bad idea to explore with. It's the same concept as Lean Management in a manufacturing environment. Reduce inventory and have more frequent runs to the grocery store. After you've ratcheted the diet down to something impressively clean, then you can decide how many calories you need to add. I'd say 250-500kCals over maintenance to make sure slow steady and solid gains happen.
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I'd give u mad reps if I wasn't on my phone bro. Yes OP this is exactly what u need to do, Mcdonalds and all that bullsh1t will give u sh1t for gains, keep it clean.
 
I got him for now dr-shredd-enstine

such true words, gear and proper training are wasted without proper recovery (food and rest).
 
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