need some help

b dad

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i did some cycles back in the day. 1 am 6'3 and 240 lbs. i am 33 years old. i got off of everything about 4 and half years ago. my wife and i immediately got pregnant. i have not touched anything since. my libido has gotten worse and worse, i can perform but nothing like before. it is really ****ing with my mind. i dont know if it is just that we have a little girl, i owm my own business and dont have much free time at all, or if i am just getting old. anyway i model some and decided to do another cycle. i have never taken much---low doses and friendly gear. i just started a-50 (have never taken before) and omnedren 250 (never taken before either) im taken 25 mg/day of a and 500 mgs/week of omnedren. i am doing that for three weeks for size and then starting winny and equipoise for 6 weeks (my typical cycle) i have aromasin, reloxifene, clomid, hcg. and proviron. i have a distributor on any natural supplement that i want. i hoped to be like my old self again. i thought that taken these strong anabolics would make me horny as hell, but i have been on one week and i think that it has made it worse. please help post cycle? so much has come out since i have taken anything. please help post cycle. i want everything back and also concerned about cholesterol. thank you all
 
Hey there b dad, hopefully I can give you a hand. I am no expert but I do know a little. I had to look up omnedren and here is what i found:

This preparation is quite similar to Sustanon, and is different only in that 100 mg/mL of it (of 250 mg/mL total) is testosterone hexanoate instead of the testosterone decanoate used in Sustanon. For this reason, Omnadren has a shorter half life, and will give a faster initial increase in blood level. This accounts for the claim of increased water retention and increased side effects, since levels, at first, are higher for the same dosage.

The claim that Omnadren has a duration effect of "a good 2-3 weeks" is somewhat misleading since the half life of the longest lived component is only about 5 days. There is of course some effect 2 or 3 weeks after injection, but relatively little.

The hexanoate ester is quite similar to the well known enanthate ester, but is shorter by one carbon.

The isohexanoate ester in Omnadren is the same, only named differently, as the isocaproate ester in Sustanon. Thus, the hexanoate vs. decanoate difference is the only difference in the mixture of esters.


To sum it all up, this is a relativeley long lasting test combo. Here is some info on Sustanon:

Oxymetholone is without a doubt the strongest and most visibly active steroid to date. Not only does it act very rapidly, it causes a virtual explosion of mass.

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By: Big Cat

Anadrol

NOTICE: This information is for entertainment purposes ONLY!

Full profiles on each individual steroid are here.



Pharmaceutical Name: Oxymetholone
Chemical structure: 17 beta-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17alpha-methyl-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
Molecular weight of base: 332.482




Effective dose: 50-150 mg / day orally
Average Street-price: $1.50 - $2 per 50mg tab
Available Doses: 2.5, 5 and 50 mg tabs


Brands & Products:

Syntex Anadrol 50 (US) 50 mg tabs
Anapolon 50 (GB) 50 mg tabs
Anasteron (o.c.) (GR,S) 50 mg tabs
Hemogenin (Brazil) 50 mg tabs
Oxitosona 50 (o.c.) (ES) 50 mg tabs
Ibrahim TK Anapolon 2.5, 5 and 50 mg tabs
Cilag Dynasten (o.c.) (PT) 50 mg tabs
Grünenthal, Proto-chemie Plenastril (o.c.) (CH) 50 mg tabs
Abic, Ramat-Gan Roboral (Israel) 50 mg tabs
Sarva Synasteron (B) 50 mg tabs


Characteristics:

Oxymetholone is without a doubt the strongest and most visibly active steroid to date. Not only does it act very rapidly, it causes a virtual explosion of mass. Gains of up to 10 pounds in 2 weeks are not uncommon. This is largely due to a moderate to low androgenic effect combined with a high anabolic activity also mediated by non-AR mechanisms (mechanisms other than simply binding the androgen receptor). You can imagine that the gains made on oxymetholone aren't the leanest. You would note a drastic smoothing out of the muscle due to estrogen-related fat (lipolysis) and water retention. This lipolysis has been shown to be rather drastic. One study1 on long-term hemodialysis patients showed beyond a doubt the role that oxymetholone can play in causing hyperlipedemia. The fat deposition rate, post-hepatic (after processing by the liver), increased drastically in the oxymetholone group while numbers remained stable in the control group.


Now these are only a semi highlight sheet for these drugs and not all info. Just some reading material for ya :). Now on to my opinion.

I am assuming that the mention of former modeling means that you would like to look lean and muscular again. Well, Anadrol and Sust are not really the best choices. A50 will put tons of mass on you in a very short time but will also lead to fat gain and bad water retention which leads to bloating. the sust will do this too but not a s bad and you really need to worry about estrogen related sides with this combo like gynocomastia (bitxh tits). To prevent this you need to add nolvadex PCT to avoid the growth of breast tissue. some will say add clomid as well but IME and according to some very well respected guys in the industry clomid is not necessary if using nolva. Clomid will also make you feel very emotional. Furthermore, this combo will also make you feel less, not more virile because of the major suppression of the HPTA it causes. Your natural test gets shut down very quickly with this combo and I would advise using some arimidex during the cycle to help with the water retention and e-related sides.

Now on to cycle two. This is by far a better stack for what you are looking for. EQ and winny make a nice combo and are often used as a cutting stack with great success. It doesnt seem like you a competitive bb so I would recommend using 300 mg or EQ per week along with 50 mg of winny every day. You can inject the EQ once per week since the ester is so long lasting. There should be no estrogen related sides with this as neither steroid aromatizes and a much milder PCT can be used. I would recommend a 4 week nolva run of 40/40/20/20. Winny can be harsh on the liver so dont go over 6 weeks. EQ can make you very hungry, but am sure you know this.

In closing, dont use the winny/EQ cycle until you give your body some time to recover from A50 and Sust. No offense, but it doesnt seem like you have researched this combo very well and i dont want you jumping right into another cycle without giving your body enough time to recover. Give it a good 4 months after PCT untill you do this cycle. Also, take that time to read about the compunds so you can plan your PCT, diet, training, etc. And in the future, stay away from the monster mass building steroids like a50, dbol, etc. if you are not competing and just want to look and feel good these have no place in my opinion.

I hope this helps. I am by no means an expert and hopefully some of the more educated guys can jump in with anything i missed. Good luck :)
 
thanks for the info. i have maintained everything very well from my previous cycles. i am 6'3 240 at about 8% bf. i was taking the a 50 and omnedren for only 3 weeks tops to get up to 255-260 before cutting down. i own a personal training studio and my diet is always on point. i am getting ready for a calendar and i need to be 245 or so at about 3-4%. i was planning on taking aromasin with the first three weeks and then switching over to raloxifene at the end of it all. the a50 and omnedren are things that i would normally never take but i needed the mass. i eat so clean and stay so lean that it is very hard for me to put on size.
 
sorry for coming off rude, but what type of modeling do you do? at 6'3" 240 you are a really big guy and at 8% bf your abs must be visible. I am at a loss to why you need to gain more mass other than just wanting to (i know the feeling of never being big enough :)). If you want a cycle that will put on some good mass without the dangers of A50 let me know, i will help you out. You obviously have no aversion to needles so I could give you some good suggestions for cycles that will add mass but cut down on all of the unwanted sides.
 
i was just doing 25 mgs/day to get some initial bulk before i start cutting down. i am very big long arms and legs. when i cut down to 3 to 4% i look a little lanky unless my weght is up. i model calandars, i was a stripper in vegas for a few years. the eq and winny is what i am doing after only two to three weeks of a50. i am just concerned with post cycle, since i am not in my twenties any more.
 
dude you can't be serious? because i think someone is playing a joke i'm not going to waste too much time on this.

first off 3-4 weeks is not enough time to put on any considerable amount of mass with thoes drugs. All you will have is water weight in that amount of time. A-50 at 25 mg?!? omnadren at 250/3weeks?!? You need at least 50mg of a50, hence the name. Running test at 250 for three weeks at your weight might yeild you some water weight as well, but LBM no way.

As far as the EQ is concerned i hope you are running that for at least 12 weeks cause it takes 8-9 to kick in. The winny is maybe the only thing in your list of drugs that may get you some LBM in that short of time.

bro no offense but you need to do some research. Your cycle sucks ass and so does the fact that you aren't considering post cycle therapy.

If you want a short cycle to add size and stay lean try this:

1-4 superdrol 20-30mg
5-9 prop 150 EOD
5-9 masteron 100mg EOD

no bloat hard lean keep able mass. i'm doing a variation of this this summer.
 
if you would read i have aromasin, raloxifene, proviron,clomid, and hcg, and even some novaldex if i need it. my body responds damn good to everything and i am blessed with great genetics. i have never taken much because i respond so well and fast to it. another thung that i wrote before is at how well i have maintained all my size from years ago. my main concern was post cycle therapy. alot has changed and i wanted to know if what i had was good and how i should run it.
 
Use 0.5mg of aromasin per day while you're on.
Use 250 i.u. HCG every three days while on.
I'm going to use Toremifene for PCT. Ive read great things about it. Use 60mg per day if that's what you use. Otherwise use clomid at 150mg per day for a week, 100mg per day for the next two weeks and 50mg per day for the final week of PCT. If you do all that you may be able to get the boys back. This is assuming you adjust your cycle according to the advise of the other members.
 
just for an update (ripped 22) i have gained 14 lbs already and i am still at about 8% bf. i was looking for twenty and since i have one more week on, i should be there. so i guess for someone who's receptors are so good that my 25 mgs of a 50 works pretty damn good. nuts are still as big as before and so sides at all..a small amount of water but i have 7 weeks before my shoot, i should be shredded at 240 and 4%. thanks for the info though
 
axekick said:
Use 0.5mg of aromasin per day while you're on.

Are you sure you are taking about Aromasin? Do you realize how ridiculously low that dose is? To give you an idea 12.5mg/day of Aromasin is a generally accepted dose. Check your facts and figures before giving out advice. It sounds like you are confusing it with Adex.
 
no, i was talking about anadrol 50. i am only taking 25 mgs of it, and was told that i would not get any results taking that low of a dose. i am blowing up. soory for the confusion. i am taking aromasin though
 
i see what you are saying now about the aromasin, that was someone trying to tell me how to take it. i am taking about 30
 
b dad said:
just for an update (ripped 22) i have gained 14 lbs already and i am still at about 8% bf. i was looking for twenty and since i have one more week on, i should be there. so i guess for someone who's receptors are so good that my 25 mgs of a 50 works pretty damn good. nuts are still as big as before and so sides at all..a small amount of water but i have 7 weeks before my shoot, i should be shredded at 240 and 4%. thanks for the info though

:toofunny:

then why are you asking ubi for more advice? bro i told you the samething he told. You weren't running the correct drugs, proper doses, or duration to suit your needs.

Great you gained 14 pounds in three weeks on a-bombs and test! 11 pounds of this is water weight that will dissapate as soon as you start to cut. I gained 15 pounds in 4 weeks on test E with no a-bombs and looked like a moon man. As the cycle progressed my weight remained close to this number but my muscles had a dryer and thicker look. The ultimate goal is to gain lean muscle mass and this can only be done with the drugs you mentioned over a longer period of time.

As ubi mentioned( all of which is good advice) you should be using fast acting esters that are more suitable to your ultimate goal. You did not have to balloon up just to turn around and cut right back down(it doesn't work quite like that). You could be lean bulking the entire time making slow gains in lean mass and reductions in body fat. With your genetics and diet knowledge this would be too easy!

sorry if i came off like a jerk in my first post i just thought your cycle sounded really "newbie" and needed to be addressed. the advice your getting is good and will only make future cycles that much better.

good luck
 
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