I've ran two Laxo products in the past. Both were average, at best. The only thing I noticed was a slight increase in recovery. I did not notice any extra strength gains.For laxo products, I have seen logs, and in my experience, needs to be ran at high doses for 8 weeks. All natural supplements should be ran for 8 weeks to reap the benefits, but 8 weeks worth of other natural anabolics are not only cheaper, but provide better results.