Need help deciding

MikeM3

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Deciding on what to run for a first prohormone cycle. Ive had 2 cycles pervious with EPG ArimeStage 50 (25mg Ostarine + 100mg epiandrosterone) and they went alright gain 4-6lb each time with each at 4 weeks. The second cycle I added GW starting at 10mg then bumped up to 30mg.

Overall I liked SARM's for recovery and extra gym aggression but nothing too spectacular about it. 10lb on my bench and lost some fat can't say I got anything else out of it.

So I decided to give prohormones a shot.

My current status
6'1" age 22
287lb
17-18% bodyfat

Squat 545
Bench 355
Deadlift 535

Main goal of this cycle is to get stronger and maybe recomp 2-3% of some bodyfat if possible. Not really trying to lose weight and not really trying to go above 295. I work on the top of a hill with no car so I need to be able to walk at least 5 miles a day without dying before I get to where I need to.

Had a couple of ideas for a 1st cycle

1-andro + 4-andro both at 300mg or
300mg for 1-andro and 200mg for the 4-andro
8-weeks

4-andro at 200mg-400mg
8-weeks

Tr3st at 25mg
4 weeks

4-andro at 200mg
RAD-140 at 20mg
8 weeks

Any ideas?
 
MikeM3 said:
Deciding on what to run for a first prohormone cycle. Ive had 2 cycles pervious with EPG ArimeStage 50 (25mg Ostarine + 100mg epiandrosterone) and they went alright gain 4-6lb each time with each at 4 weeks. The second cycle I added GW starting at 10mg then bumped up to 30mg.

Overall I liked SARM's for recovery and extra gym aggression but nothing too spectacular about it. 10lb on my bench and lost some fat can't say I got anything else out of it.

So I decided to give prohormones a shot.

My current status
6'1" age 22
287lb
17-18% bodyfat

Squat 545
Bench 355
Deadlift 535

Main goal of this cycle is to get stronger and maybe recomp 2-3% of some bodyfat if possible. Not really trying to lose weight and not really trying to go above 295. I work on the top of a hill with no car so I need to be able to walk at least 5 miles a day without dying before I get to where I need to.

Had a couple of ideas for a 1st cycle

1-andro + 4-andro both at 300mg or
300mg for 1-andro and 200mg for the 4-andro
8-weeks

4-andro at 200mg-400mg
8-weeks

Tr3st at 25mg
4 weeks

4-andro at 200mg
RAD-140 at 20mg
8 weeks

Any ideas?
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Sup3r 1 at 330 mg and Sup3r Epi at 500-750 mg for 6-8 weeks. Epi will fill in for the 4 andro as a test base and keep your gains drier and it's pretty androgenic. Stay away from Trest until you've got a couple more cycles under your belt.
 
With Epi. Should I start at 500mg or 700mg? Or start at 300mg then bumped up to 500mg then 700mg
 
Jebrook said:
Sup3r 1 at 330 mg and Up3r Epi at 500-750 mg for 6-8 weeks. Epi will fill in for the 4 andro as a test base and keep your gains drier and it's pretty androgenic. Stay away from Trest until you've got a couple more cycles under your belt.
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This.

Wouldnt recommend trest for a 22yo.
 
MikeM3 said:
With Epi. Should I start at 500mg or 700mg? Or start at 300mg then bumped up to 500mg then 700mg
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If you purchase Sup3r Epi Elite, it comes in 250 mg caps and 120 ct. bottle. This is the highest dose/best value per mg you will find anywhere. Starting at 750 mg would last just under six weeks if purchasing the Elite sized bottle. You're a big guy so I think you will likely have better results with a dose in the 750-1000 mg range. I would start at 500 mg for a week or two then increase as desired. Dose in the AM and at least 1 pwo if possible for the CNS boost. I personally enjoy 250 am, 500 mg 30 minutes pwo, and 250 mg in the early pm.
 
Jebrook said:
If you purchase Sup3r Epi Elite, it comes in 250 mg caps and 120 ct. bottle. This is the highest dose/best value per mg you will find anywhere. Starting at 750 mg would last just under six weeks if purchasing the Elite sized bottle. You're a big guy so I think you will likely have better results with a dose in the 750-1000 mg range. I would start at 500 mg for a week or two then increase as desired. Dose in the AM and at least 1 pwo if possible for the CNS boost. I personally enjoy 250 am, 500 mg 30 minutes pwo, and 250 mg in the early pm.
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I'm liking the dosing is spread out that way. Starting at 500mg then bumped to 750 sounds good as well.
 
MikeM3 said:
The trest was just an idea. Last choice honestly just threw it out there.
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No problem. Trest is an amazingly effective compound but definitely something to be treated with a good deal of respect. Experience is important as is having a fully matured endocrine system. Trest was researched as a male contraceptive and will cause virtually complete shutdown and infertility. IMO, don't consider anything like this at least until your late twenties.
 
MikeM3 said:
I'll keep it I'm mind. Any thoughts on supplements to add?
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Definitely use a SERM like Nolva or Clomid for PCT. Adding a natty test booster as well to PCT like Kingsblood or Super PCT is a popular method. Other natty anabolic like Triumph or Epic are also popular PCT additions. As far as your cycle you really don't need anything else except you could add a cycle support like ACP. These ph's aren't methylated though and generally considered mild so I consider that optional.
 
Agreed on holding off on trest for now. 1 andro @ 300mg+ and epi andro @ 1000mg for 8 wks will help you with a recomp goal and get stronger.

I would dose on the higher side being that you are already at 280. You could start epi at 500 or 750 and move up to 1000. Good energy on that stack. Good luck...let us know how it goes.
 
I'll probably start at 500mg then bumped to 750 then maybe 1000mg for the last few weeks. I'll try to make a log I'll be starting in a month or so. Gotta get everything lol
 
Jebrook said:
No problem. Trest is an amazingly effective compound but definitely something to be treated with a good deal of respect. Experience is important as is having a fully matured endocrine system. Trest was researched as a male contraceptive and will cause virtually complete shutdown and infertility. IMO, don't consider anything like this until your late twenties.
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Or until you are on TRT
 
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