Need advice on first cycle- Epistane

[s0briquet]

Great. Yeah I'll work on getting my posts up to 10 and then pm you. #2 haha

 

[absurd]

dont pulse epi, just run it straight. pulsing is best suited for quick acting and very toxic steroids like sd, dbol, methyl tren, m1t, m1a, etc. epistane is not a quick acting steroid, it usually takes 3 weeks or so to notice its effects

Again everyone's body reacts differently I'm on my 5th week now and it only took about a week for me to feel the pump from epistane. Strength gains came on during the 2nd week.

 

[amdd1124]

dont pulse epi, just run it straight. pulsing is best suited for quick acting and very toxic steroids like sd, dbol, methyl tren, m1t, m1a, etc. epistane is not a quick acting steroid, it usually takes 3 weeks or so to notice its effects

I have used epi in the past and have had great results too. Last time I went to buy more the guy tried selling me a quadstack which I stayed away from. Is that something you could pulse? Or is it best to run far away from quadstacks?

Thanks

 

[OnionKnight]

I have used epi in the past and have had great results too. Last time I went to buy more the guy tried selling me a quadstack which I stayed away from. Is that something you could pulse? Or is it best to run far away from quadstacks?

Thanks

well depends whats in it. in most cases, quad stacks are dosed horribly and arnt even worth buying. the idea of a pulse is to take advantage of the fast acting powerful compounds while lowering overall supresion

 

[harbonah]

I have used epi in the past and have had great results too. Last time I went to buy more the guy tried selling me a quadstack which I stayed away from. Is that something you could pulse? Or is it best to run far away from quadstacks?

Thanks

Besides what OnionKnight said about quad stacks I'd also like to add that I would not buy into the premise of pulsing if you raise exogenous hormone levels high enough to make changes in body composition I'll bet a million you have just suppressed your HTPA and if there are no changes well what is the point?

 

[amdd1124]

well depends whats in it. in most cases, quad stacks are dosed horribly and arnt even worth buying. the idea of a pulse is to take advantage of the fast acting powerful compounds while lowering overall supresion

gotcha....thanks! Yes after doing some research the dosage was low so it would have been a waste of money not to mention putting my body through hell for nothing.

 

[amdd1124]

Besides what OnionKnight said about quad stacks I'd also like to add that I would not buy into the premise of pulsing if you raise exogenous hormone levels high enough to make changes in body composition I'll bet a million you have just suppressed your HTPA and if there are no changes well what is the point?

Thanks for the reply, I'm sure that's correct. I didn't buy the quad stack and I'm glad I didn't....there's no substitute for research.

 

[thebiz909]

i'm on week 7 of a 8 week pulse cycle on epistine (starting to ramp down). i dont plan on using a serm for the pct since i am pulsing. prolly jus ERASE and DAA. i did a Super-DMZ (og) straight 4-week cycle last year. i got really fat after. i did the proper pct w/a serm (clomid). i'm dont think i'm prone to gyno so i'm not too worried about it.

 

[rphash49]

i'm on week 7 of a 8 week pulse cycle on epistine (starting to ramp down). i dont plan on using a serm for the pct since i am pulsing. prolly jus ERASE and DAA. i did a Super-DMZ (og) straight 4-week cycle last year. i got really fat after. i did the proper pct w/a serm (clomid). i'm dont think i'm prone to gyno so i'm not too worried about it.

Main reason to use a serm is to keep gains made on cycle. An AI or Nolva are generally used to prevent gyno.

 

[pizzadrol]

That PCT is a bit overboard for a Epi cycle. Nolva @ 20/20/20/20 with DAA at 3g a day will be enough

I second that. I personally have never heard of Epi shutting people down (not saying it can't happen) but a SERM is obviously still recommended although not in that great of a dose for something as mild as a solo Epi run. I myself always use an OTC AI in addition PCT but not all say it's necessary though I like to use one in conjunction to a natty test booster.

Epi is a good cycle for beginners. You will enjoy the strength gains and very mild sides. Also due to the lack of aromitization the chances of gyno are slim-to-none aside from those who are unusually prone to it so you don't have to fear any funky sides. Keep a log for your own future reference and good luck

 

[rphash49]

I second that. I personally have never heard of Epi shutting people down (not saying it can't happen) but a SERM is obviously still recommended although not in that great of a dose for something as mild as a solo Epi run. I myself always use an OTC AI in addition PCT but not all say it's necessary though I like to use one in conjunction to a natty test booster.

Epi is a good cycle for beginners. You will enjoy the strength gains and very mild sides. Also due to the lack of aromitization the chances of gyno are slim-to-none aside from those who are unusually prone to it so you don't have to fear any funky sides. Keep a log for your own future reference and good luck

Epi will shut down your natural testosterone production. Serm is required if you want to keep your gains. With epi it's rebound gyno you have to worry about. Some on here have also reported elevated prolactin levels on epi cycle.

 

[maybe0123]

Epi will shut down your natural testosterone production. Serm is required if you want to keep your gains. With epi it's rebound gyno you have to worry about. Some on here have also reported elevated prolactin levels on epi cycle.

I was shutdown pretty hard with epi 0 energy no libido with prolactin sides during pct

 

[absurd]

I was shutdown pretty hard with epi 0 energy no libido with prolactin sides during pct

What are the prolactin sides to look for? I'm shut down hard and on 3rd week pct nolvla 20/20/10/10 and daa 3/3/3/3 and gonna start erase soon 0/0/3/2/2/1.

 

[maybe0123]

What are the prolactin sides to look for? I'm shut down hard and on 3rd week pct nolvla 20/20/10/10 and daa 3/3/3/3 and gonna start erase soon 0/0/3/2/2/1.

No need to taper erase, my nipples were puffy and oozed out a liquid when squeezed

 

[pizzadrol]

Prolactin sides make me cringe. That's the first I had heard of it happening with Epi but thanks for the heads up. I certainly won't be advising anyone take their Epi PCTs lightly ever again. Is Torem as effective in the event of prolactin related sides or is Nolva/Letro usually your best bet?

 

[rphash49]

Prolactin sides make me cringe. That's the first I had heard of it happening with Epi but thanks for the heads up. I certainly won't be advising anyone take their Epi PCTs lightly ever again. Is Torem as effective in the event of prolactin related sides or is Nolva/Letro usually your best bet?

For prolactin issues most would use otc inhibit-p or RC caber for example

 

[Psychward]

Epi will shut down your natural testosterone production. Serm is required if you want to keep your gains. With epi it's rebound gyno you have to worry about. Some on here have also reported elevated prolactin levels on epi cycle.

I agree, stop telling people epistane is mild. It shut me down! Testicular atrophy! Serm is a must!

 

[Mystere3]

I think that's something gyno prone ppl may get with any cycle.