Need a little PCT info cleaning up....

[imjosiah]

I am on RAD 140 (going for 8 weeks), typically I just run DHEA and Calcium D-Glucarate, with a solid test booster for a PCT. I know, not the typical, but easy to get and works fairly well, while I know others might recommend something stronger for RAD.
I am thinking of adding LGD to the RAD for the last 6 weeks. Or I might save it for another cycle after the RAD. (Recomendation would be welcome on if I should stack it or not)

Anyway I know I need a stronger PCT for LGD, especially if I stack it. It would seem the basic PCT now is HCG, nova or clomid. I used to think they were the same, then I read stuff that made me think that nova and clomid are different ( mostly clomid increases sperm..fertility and Nova does not)

Just need some clear info. I wouldn't have a problem running HCG if I knew where to get a solid source. But even that suppresses natural T, so I hear some people say its not the best for a PCT. Course, I might be reserved for actual gear in that case.

just need some clear info. I am thinking, Nova and or Clomid, with DHEA, and my other natural stuff would be enough of a PCT for RAD and LGD.

 

[thebigt]

@Hyde
@Whisky

 

[mawalega]

Basic, good info, copy/paste

Clomid - Clomiphene citrate is a first generation SERM that is very powerful and has a high affinity for the estrogen receptor. Clomid is mainly used for PCT, since it is not optimal for gyno protection. One should be aware that Clomid can cause emotional side effects.
PCT dosing
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

Nolvadex - tamoxifen citrate is a first generation SERM that is very powerful and has a high affinity for the estrogen receptor, more specifically in breast tissue. Nolva can help restart the HPTA during PCT. However, it can also be used on cycle (in conjunction with an aromatase inhibitor) for gyno protection. This is the perfect protocol for PH/DS/AAS that aromatize heavily or aromatize into methyl estrogen, such as dianabol and trestolone.
PCT dosing
Nolva - 20/20/10/10

 

[maximillia]

Yes, just go with clomid or nolva like mawalega suggests above. However, imo there's no need to taper the dosage, I think that's broscience. 20 mg nolva or 25 mg clomid will be enough. I prefer nolvadex because it has no emotional sides, and is stronger than clomid mg for mg.

HCG is not used for PCT, it's used on cycle to keep your testes active, or just after your cycle ends to kickstart your testes before you start taking clomid/nolva.

 

[Hyde]

Yes, just go with clomid or nolva like mawalega suggests above. However, imo there's no need to taper the dosage, I think that's broscience. 20 mg nolva or 25 mg clomid will be enough. I prefer nolvadex because it has no emotional sides, and is stronger than clomid mg for mg.

HCG is not used for PCT, it's used on cycle to keep your testes active, or just after your cycle ends to kickstart your testes before you start taking clomid/nolva.

This, all of this.

I would take 20mg Nolva for a month. Works like a charm for recovery and protects against rebound gyno, and no emotional sides like Clomid can give.

Avoid the DHEA during the first month of PCT at least. The extra estrogen it will yield in a lower androgen environment will promote gyno as well as tell the hypothalamus it doesn’t need to release GNRH (which tells the pituitary gland to release LH, which tells the testes to release testosterone).

You don’t need HCG for moderate SARM runs not of excessive length (S23 would be an exception).

I would ask yourself if you think you need the extra LGD added to accomplish what you want. If you don’t, stick with the RAD solo.

 

[imjosiah]

Thanks guys!! That helps. That is what I originally learned about those serms way back when. Good to be set back on the clear track. I probably go with Nova, always good to have the added gyno protection on hand.

Good to note to leave out the DHEA for about a month. Ill probably save the LGD, because of the timing of this. With the Holidays I know I will not end up pushing my diet to the max. So, i don't need to push the compound either.

 

[Whisky]

Yeah the boys above got you covered there OP.

just for clarity studies have also shown that nolva can be beneficial in improving fertility so I wouldn’t say that is a difference between that and clomid. In our context the main difference to note is (as per @mawalega post) that nolva does have a higher affinity for the estrogen receptor in breast tissue thus providing the additional use of on cycle gyno prevention.

personally I don’t get sides off clomid so would run either that or nolva happily but I’d say on average people prefer nolva. 20mg for 4 weeks would be sensible.

hcg is on cycle or in big doses the week prior to pct, 250iu twice a week on cycle is standard and would be my suggestion on future runs. Basically it avoids atrophy of the testicles and makes for an easier pct.

 

[imjosiah]

Yeah the boys above got you covered there OP.

just for clarity studies have also shown that nolva can be beneficial in improving fertility so I wouldn’t say that is a difference between that and clomid. In our context the main difference to note is (as per @mawalega post) that nolva does have a higher affinity for the estrogen receptor in breast tissue thus providing the additional use of on cycle gyno prevention.

personally I don’t get sides off clomid so would run either that or nolva happily but I’d say on average people prefer nolva. 20mg for 4 weeks would be sensible.

hcg is on cycle or in big doses the week prior to pct, 250iu twice a week on cycle is standard and would be my suggestion on future runs. Basically it avoids atrophy of the testicles and makes for an easier pct.

I have never tried HCG for anything. I read supposed benefits on on cycle, PCT all that. Are there any other benefits? Seems hard to find? If I found a confident source, I would give it a try. Maybe use it so i could bridged to a LGD cycle after the RAD

 

[mawalega]

HCG is not used for PCT, it's used on cycle to keep your testes active, or just after your cycle ends to kickstart your testes before you start taking clomid/nolva.

This is the consensus (and how whiskey said to use). Keeps the testies going on cycle but during pct a serm does the job and should get you producing what the hcg does for you... Look at venoms log kinda explains things more as he ran into problems with a test base and then a big agreement/disagreement/arguing for the sake of arguing happened but theres some good info lol

 

[Renew1]

I have never tried HCG for anything. I read supposed benefits on on cycle, PCT all that. Are there any other benefits? Seems hard to find? If I found a confident source, I would give it a try. Maybe use it so i could bridged to a LGD cycle after the RAD

What do you mean by Bridging to a LGD cycle?

 

[imjosiah]

What do you mean by Bridging to a LGD cycle?

I have never done it. I think its an older school bro science method of Running a cycle, than instead of waiting to reset any suppression fully before running a second cycle, you bridge for a couple weeks, with HCG and a bunch of T boosters and than run another cycle.

So something like RAD for 8 weeks, likely not fully suppressed, but somewhat in a suppressive decline, Bridge for 2-3 weeks, to stop the decline or even rev T production up, than LGD for 8 weeks, which would likely result in full suppression. BUT because of the bridge you would bounce back faster, as if you only did an 8 week cycle instead of 16 week. supposably. I don't I would need to read up on it.

 

[Renew1]

I have never done it. I think its an older school bro science method of Running a cycle, than instead of waiting to reset any suppression fully before running a second cycle, you bridge for a couple weeks, with HCG and a bunch of T boosters and than run another cycle.

So something like RAD for 8 weeks, likely not fully suppressed, but somewhat in a suppressive decline, Bridge for 2-3 weeks, to stop the decline or even rev T production up, than LGD for 8 weeks, which would likely result in full suppression. BUT because of the bridge you would bounce back faster, as if you only did an 8 week cycle instead of 16 week. supposably. I don't I would need to read up on it.

No.
Never do that.
That'll mess you up brother.

 

[maximillia]

I have never done it. I think its an older school bro science method of Running a cycle, than instead of waiting to reset any suppression fully before running a second cycle, you bridge for a couple weeks, with HCG and a bunch of T boosters and than run another cycle.

So something like RAD for 8 weeks, likely not fully suppressed, but somewhat in a suppressive decline, Bridge for 2-3 weeks, to stop the decline or even rev T production up, than LGD for 8 weeks, which would likely result in full suppression. BUT because of the bridge you would bounce back faster, as if you only did an 8 week cycle instead of 16 week. supposably. I don't I would need to read up on it.

In my opinion, that will just be a 19 week long cycle brother. Stopping the cycle isn't just about testicular atrophy, it's also about the overall health of the endocrine system and your HPTA axis. If you cycle for 8 weeks and then use HCG to prevent testicular atrophy, and then cycle for 8 weeks again- regardless of testicular atrophy, your HPTA would have been under duress during that entire time. Morever, you don't need to have a bridge to prevent testicular atrophy, if you take HCG on cycle, that will be prevented already. I would only do such a thing if I had given up on my body's own production of test.

 

[imjosiah]

is *********** CAPSUL nolva good to go?

 

[imjosiah]

One more question. More just to make sure I have this right. you ether run Nolva or clomid right, not both? especially for a SARM cycle? Running, Both i thought would be pointless, because they do the same thing. Unless, they work under separate paths or something.

Anyways, I am sticking with RAD only, 10mg. Going to bump up to 15mg, maybe 20 at the end. At least 8, maybe 10 weeks. I am thinking Nolva will bounce me back just fine.

 

[Hyde]

One more question. More just to make sure I have this right. you ether run Nolva or clomid right, not both? especially for a SARM cycle? Running, Both i thought would be pointless, because they do the same thing. Unless, they work under separate paths or something.

Anyways, I am sticking with RAD only, 10mg. Going to bump up to 15mg, maybe 20 at the end. At least 8, maybe 10 weeks. I am thinking Nolva will bounce me back just fine.

Just reread this thread and you will have your answer.